Euro 24

[ianofcleveleys]

Some entertain but don't win, some (like the Greeks in 2004) don't entertain but win. Spain (at least in my eyes) did both, best team to watch but also winners.

I've no real idea who I'd have in, hard to know who's really available/interested, though for what it's worth, of those who appear to be currently available, I'd give Pochettino some consideration. 

[desperado]

I agree with what I’ve just heard Carragher say,

Who the hell is out there thinking that’s a job I can have some success with? You have to win the World Cup or you’ve failed to do better than Southgate.

These foreign fellas might fancy a big pay day, but they’ve no investement in making England better. Didn’t work out well going for the best foreign managers last time did it?

International football doesn’t attract the best managers anyway. They’re more interested in winning the champions league and domestic titles.

Who had heard of the Spanish manager before this tournament? He, like Southgate, came through the ranks didn’t he? 

I think he’ll go, on his terms, he should get a good send off (he probably won’t) as he’s been fantastic helping to turn our fortunes around and making following England fun again.

Good luck to Howe, Potter, Carsley or whichever Englishmen (as I think it should and will be) gets the gig. He’ll bloody need it, as well as very broad shoulders, when he doesn’t make the World Cup final and has every man and his dog telling him where he went wrong.

Remember when the lads of 1990 received a hero’s welcome returning from Italia 90 as losing semi-finalists 🤣

[Tombwfc]

Any country inside the world's top 20 should be banned from appointing a foreign manager.

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, desperado said:

I agree with what I’ve just heard Carragher say,

Who the hell is out there thinking that’s a job I can have some success with? You have to win the World Cup or you’ve failed to do better than Southgate.

These foreign fellas might fancy a big pay day, but they’ve no investement in making England better. Didn’t work out well going for the best foreign managers last time did it?

International football doesn’t attract the best managers anyway. They’re more interested in winning the champions league and domestic titles.

Who had heard of the Spanish manager before this tournament? He, like Southgate, came through the ranks didn’t he? 

I think he’ll go, on his terms, he should get a good send off (he probably won’t) as he’s been fantastic helping to turn our fortunes around and making following England fun again.

Good luck to Howe, Potter, Carsley or whichever Englishmen (as I think it should and will be) gets the gig. He’ll bloody need it, as well as very broad shoulders, when he doesn’t make the World Cup final and has every man and his dog telling him where he went wrong.

Remember when the lads of 1990 received a hero’s welcome returning from Italia 90 as losing semi-finalists 🤣

 

Yeah definitely not interested in going down the foreign route again

I'd much rather give it someone like Carsley than a Pep or Klopp or whoever might be touted or interested

[Alf Hartigan]

Evatt for England. and Southgate to Bolton 

[desperado]

4 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Evatt for England. and Southgate to Bolton 

@tomski would love this 🤣

[Barnstoneworth White]

7 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

Evatt for England. and Southgate to Bolton 

Some loon on retard radio just called for Evatt to be appointed England manager.

[Alf Hartigan]

Haha. I’d like to claim that but it wasn’t me 😂

[Barnstoneworth White]

An ex Arsenal st holder from Barrow.  As I said, loon...

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, Barnstoneworth White said:

Some loon on retard radio just called for Evatt to be appointed England manager.

I think he’d do ok 😁

[Rival Son]

8 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

How much have the FA made from all these finals and semis, much more than £5m I’m sure so that may be why?

I’m sure they have, but Southgate has also earned considerably more than that. He is paid £5 million per year and has been manager for nine (long) years. Add on employer costs, and you can easily add a zero to that £5 million figure.

[tomski]

What an honour it would be for Evatt to manage the national team

[gonzo]

9 hours ago, desperado said:

 

Remember when the lads of 1990 received a hero’s welcome returning from Italia 90 as losing semi-finalists 🤣

...and this is why we aren't winners.

A losers mentality, happy with 2nd best. 

Just heard Danny Mills moaning that we think we have devine right to win tournaments. That's what winners do, they go into things knowing they could and should be winning.

Spain had nothing else in their sights in this tournament. Same in years gone by, same way a Spanish team hasn't lost a final in a gazillion years.

We have a losers mentality, past 4 tournaments we've had our last games in the palm of our hand but didn't have the balls to go for it. Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

We had Spain on the ropes, but our manager decided to sit back, keep clearly knackered players on the pitch and be happy with extra time. That's a losers mentality.

Until that changes we will never win anything. 

Settling for 2nd best every single time.

[bolty58]

10 hours ago, desperado said:

 

I think he’ll go, on his terms, he should get a good send off (he probably won’t) as he’s been fantastic helping to turn our fortunes around and making following England fun again.

 

The exact opposite for me. The sooner he fucks off the better.

[L/H White]

12 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

The exact opposite for me. The sooner he fucks off the better.

not enjoyed getting to 2 finals and a semi?

 

[deeane Koontz]

Probably because the 1990 Semi final performance was a touch more whole hearted than the tepid shite served up on Sunday? 🤷‍♂️

Think a lot less would be grumbling if the players left it all out there

Instead we've got the lasting memory of that knob Kane on the pitch for a hour playing like an arthritic octogenarian.  

 

[gonzo]

16 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Probably because the 1990 Semi final performance was a touch more whole hearted than the tepid shite served up on Sunday? 🤷‍♂️

Think a lot less would be grumbling if the players left it all out there

Instead we've got the lasting memory of that knob Kane on the pitch for a hour playing like an arthritic octogenarian.  

 

90 was in middle of European club ban on the back of a torrid few years Internationally. We were massive underdogs and everyone in Europe hated us.

This current sqaud is littered with win big game winners, but unfortunately not playing for a big game manager.

 

[SatanGreavsie]

51 minutes ago, gonzo said:

90 was in middle of European club ban on the back of a torrid few years Internationally. We were massive underdogs and everyone in Europe hated us.

This current sqaud is littered with win big game winners, but unfortunately not playing for a big game manager.

 

Aye that's the annoying thing about what happened now and recently. But then again you could get the best manager possible in and max the performance, and it's still cup football. The latter fact does mean you're in the hands of fickle fate to some extent. Other teams at a EC or WC could have a golden generation on the pitch; one keeper fumble or a bad miss; you're playing in someone's backyard and the environment is against you or the heavens open and level things out; couple of crucial injuries at just the wrong time. So that's the problem measuring success in comps that only come round every two years and can hinge on just one 90 minutes. We could max everything out and still fall short. If someone had got the very best out of Sunday's team we could still have fallen short at the very end against a highly talented team, especially if luck was against us. That's cup football for you. 

But for all that, there's no way on earth he can said to have got the best out of what he had. All I'm saying is that even if you did, there's never a guarantee, never will be. Manager of the year will always be judged on what they did over 40 league games, not what happened in the FA Cup. 

[deeane Koontz]

45 minutes ago, gonzo said:

90 was in middle of European club ban on the back of a torrid few years Internationally. We were massive underdogs and everyone in Europe hated us.

This current sqaud is littered with win big game winners, but unfortunately not playing for a big game manager.

 

If they were truly big game winners they'd have stood up and put in better performances this summer. Not playing like club coddled gimps.

Southgate must go obviously but the players have a say in this too.

I'm still trying to figure out what Rice was doing these Euros

 

 

[tomski]

We lost to the best team. 

Absolutely could of beat them etc but no shame in it.

He’s done a good job but I expect it’s time to go for all parties. 

Not sure who’d I’d go for next as I’ve said managing England is a a different gig to a club manager and I suspect the man management is far bigger in international than in club football for many reasons.

players away from family 

Not being paid

Playing with players they may usually hate.

first team regulars becoming back up players. 

£5m is great a year but I bet you earn every penny. Fwiw I’d 100% do it😂


 

[Greg_BWFC]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

...and this is why we aren't winners.

A losers mentality, happy with 2nd best. 

Just heard Danny Mills moaning that we think we have devine right to win tournaments. That's what winners do, they go into things knowing they could and should be winning.

Spain had nothing else in their sights in this tournament. Same in years gone by, same way a Spanish team hasn't lost a final in a gazillion years.

We have a losers mentality, past 4 tournaments we've had our last games in the palm of our hand but didn't have the balls to go for it. Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

We had Spain on the ropes, but our manager decided to sit back, keep clearly knackered players on the pitch and be happy with extra time. That's a losers mentality.

Until that changes we will never win anything. 

Settling for 2nd best every single time.

Italy final was the one .

Couldn't really have written a better scenario and still managed to mess it up.

Didn't play to our potential all tournament imo, but lost to a very good team.

They'll be thereabouts in 2026 too. 

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, L/H White said:

not enjoyed getting to 2 finals and a semi?

 

Define 'enjoyed'. Passing sideways and backwards most of the time? Trying to grind out a result instead of having a go at teams like Spain do?

No, not enjoyed. Football to give me a semi. Now that would be a fine thing.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

29 minutes ago, tomski said:

We lost to the best team. 

Absolutely could of beat them etc but no shame in it.

He’s done a good job but I expect it’s time to go for all parties. 

Not sure who’d I’d go for next as I’ve said managing England is a a different gig to a club manager and I suspect the man management is far bigger in international than in club football for many reasons.

players away from family 

Not being paid

Playing with players they may usually hate.

first team regulars becoming back up players. 

£5m is great a year but I bet you earn every penny. Fwiw I’d 100% do it😂


 

I'd agree with most of that- and I reckon that's what GS is good at. It's the negative football that's the issue.

Players do get paid but voluntarily donate it to charity. 

[L/H White]

he's resigned 

thank you gareth for my best ever england memories, you'll be missed 

 

[radcliffe white]

For the best

done well we move on