Dr. Feelgood Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 I understand "from sources" that Southgate has resigned. About a month too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Just now, Dr. Feelgood said: I understand "from sources" that Southgate has resigned. About a month too late. Well, 2 years too late, but I'm focusing on the recent tournament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gonzo Posted July 16 Popular Post Share Posted July 16 41 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said: If they were truly big game winners they'd have stood up and put in better performances this summer. Not playing like club coddled gimps. Southgate must go obviously but the players have a say in this too. I'm still trying to figure out what Rice was doing these Euros Rice was being played in his wrong position. He isn't a Rodri and never plays that was for Arsenal. Lad can barely pass wind, it's not his role. And they clearly are big game players, they've won every honour under the sun. They just had no legs for me and were being forced into a system that didn't work. Bellingham was dead on his feet yet played nearly every minute, Kane was 50% fit and started throughout. Foden was played all over the show. What was the point in being so bold in the initial sqaud and then not having the balls to use them. We needed pace and energy. We played in 2nd gear all tournament with tired and unfit players being used in a wrong system. That's on the manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted July 16 Members Share Posted July 16 Gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeane Koontz Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 4 minutes ago, gonzo said: Rice was being played in his wrong position. He isn't a Rodri and never plays that was for Arsenal. Lad can barely pass wind, it's not his role. And they clearly are big game players, they've won every honour under the sun. They just had no legs for me and were being forced into a system that didn't work. Bellingham was dead on his feet yet played nearly every minute, Kane was 50% fit and started throughout. Foden was played all over the show. What was the point in being so bold in the initial sqaud and then not having the balls to use them. We needed pace and energy. We played in 2nd gear all tournament with tired and unfit players being used in a wrong system. That's on the manager. Big game winner Foden spent most of the Tournament throwing his arms up in the air when he didn't get the ball regardless of where he played. The players have to take responsibility too for the shit served up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Probably for the best. Thanks very much Gareth 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 7 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said: Big game winner Foden spent most of the Tournament throwing his arms up in the air when he didn't get the ball regardless of where he played. The players have to take responsibility too for the shit served up. Of course they do. But he isn't player of the season under the best manager in the world for no reason mate. He's a number 10. Play him there or don't play him at all. Don't shoehorn him in to a position where we have 3 lads better suited to play there. All about having balls to make game changing decisions. Big calls that get you over the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 16 Site Supporter Share Posted July 16 (edited) 38 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said: Big game winner Foden spent most of the Tournament throwing his arms up in the air when he didn't get the ball regardless of where he played. The players have to take responsibility too for the shit served up. Frustration at the lack of pressing and quick passing. His footballing brain is ahead of some lf his acolytes, particularly when they're being held back. Bellingham also had poor body language at times. Not a good look, and yes the players must take some responsibility- but largely they played according to the managers instructions. Edited July 16 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffer cup 07 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 While Southgate didn't get everything right, two runners up in the last two Euro's isn't bad on his cv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 13 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said: While Southgate didn't get everything right, two runners up in the last two Euro's isn't bad on his cv. No One Ever Remembers Second Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Just now, little whitt said: No One Ever Remembers Second Nice guys come last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 4 minutes ago, little whitt said: No One Ever Remembers Second Course they do Italia 90 and Euro 96 will be in my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 5 minutes ago, radcliffe white said: Nice guys come last Hits with the ladies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Wish him well. Right time. if we can’t get Evatt then I’d love Ancellotti despite it being a big ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 16 Site Supporter Share Posted July 16 There's something wrong with our media (mostly foreign-owned, ironically) and a large proportion of our fans. Never gracious in defeat, always immediately looking for scapegoats. Glad Southgate has called it a day, but it won't be any different for whoever replaces him. We are the worst losers in the world. Our reputation as a nation is accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffer cup 07 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 No idea who, but got to be English, for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 (edited) 13 hours ago, desperado said: Remember when the lads of 1990 received a hero’s welcome returning from Italia 90 as losing semi-finalists 🤣 A good post, we don't have the same views on Southgate (I would say the opposite of he's made watching England fun again! but I do see the good he's done too) but some valid points well made. On the 1990 World Cup, I know on the face of it seemed bizarre to give the beaten semi finalists a hero's welcome, but it was more than that: 1. That was the first S/F of any comp we'd reached for 24 years! 2. Gazzamania changed the game in England, pre-1990 it was frowned upon to be a football fan. From June 1990 onwards we could walk around with heads held high generally, knowing the game had suddenly become fashionable - indirectly resulting in the big boom of Sky/packed stadiums/better facilities etc (and happened to coincide with BWFC coming out of the dark ages, this made the 90's a thrilling time for BWFC and footie fans generally!) 3. Yes we only reached the semi but we were the better team against the Germans. In the semis under GS our opponents have been Croatia, Denmark at home and Holland - weaker opposition and we weren't necessarily the better team in either, I'd say the German semi was our best (and unluckiest) performance at that stage of a competition since 66, along with same opposition in 96. So just to add a bit of perspective to the nation's reaction in 1990 and in comparison with the semis since. Edited July 16 by Johnnyrotten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 7 minutes ago, Cheese said: There's something wrong with our media (mostly foreign-owned, ironically) and a large proportion of our fans. Never gracious in defeat, always immediately looking for scapegoats. Glad Southgate has called it a day, but it won't be any different for whoever replaces him. We are the worst losers in the world. Our reputation as a nation is accurate. You obviously don’t follow South American football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 (edited) 2 hours ago, SatanGreavsie said: Aye that's the annoying thing about what happened now and recently. But then again you could get the best manager possible in and max the performance, and it's still cup football. The latter fact does mean you're in the hands of fickle fate to some extent. Other teams at a EC or WC could have a golden generation on the pitch; one keeper fumble or a bad miss; you're playing in someone's backyard and the environment is against you or the heavens open and level things out; couple of crucial injuries at just the wrong time. So that's the problem measuring success in comps that only come round every two years and can hinge on just one 90 minutes. We could max everything out and still fall short. If someone had got the very best out of Sunday's team we could still have fallen short at the very end against a highly talented team, especially if luck was against us. That's cup football for you. But for all that, there's no way on earth he can said to have got the best out of what he had. All I'm saying is that even if you did, there's never a guarantee, never will be. Manager of the year will always be judged on what they did over 40 league games, not what happened in the FA Cup. Totally agree - who wins the thing gets over hyped when so much can be down to a bit of luck and also the luck of the draw (Germany v Spain Q/F etc). That said, for once nobody could argue that Spain fully deserved to be crowned "the best in Europe". I'm not sure a lot of World Cup/Euros winners in history were clearly the best team in that tournament, all the other factors you listed (plus refereeing errors as we know to our cost) often come into play. Edited July 16 by Johnnyrotten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 16 Members Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, Dr. Feelgood said: Well, 2 years too late, but I'm focusing on the recent tournament. Should have gone after the 2020 Wembley debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 1 hour ago, L/H White said: he's resigned thank you gareth for my best ever england memories, you'll be missed He didn't do it on his own 😃 Thank you Bellingham for that overhead kick and Palmer for that equaliser...etc. Good bloke GS but I won't miss his boring football against the weaker teams one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 18 minutes ago, tomski said: Course they do Italia 90 and Euro 96 will be in my mind who finished 2nd in 1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 15 minutes ago, Cheese said: There's something wrong with our media (mostly foreign-owned, ironically) and a large proportion of our fans. Never gracious in defeat, always immediately looking for scapegoats. Glad Southgate has called it a day, but it won't be any different for whoever replaces him. We are the worst losers in the world. Our reputation as a nation is accurate. Sums up our losers mentality. Exactly why constantly accept being 2nd best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 16 Site Supporter Share Posted July 16 2 minutes ago, gonzo said: Sums up our losers mentality. Exactly why constantly accept being 2nd best. Do you think it'd be any different if we'd played Spain off the park with expansive attacking football, but lost 3-0? I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 6 minutes ago, little whitt said: who finished 2nd in 1990 Argentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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