No Henderson in the provisional squad 

31 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

I can see the Italy game being a bore fest 

Maybe not 

Did Italy not get offered any tickets for this game looks 95 percent Albanian 

4 minutes ago, Farnywhite said:

Did Italy not get offered any tickets for this game looks 95 percent Albanian 

Sounds much quieter when Italy score. Looked like he shinned that second, pinger!

9 minutes ago, Farnywhite said:

Did Italy not get offered any tickets for this game looks 95 percent Albanian RAPEST 

 

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Does Jerusalem not just say how shit England is and how much it needs a make over by the big JC himself?

That's pretty much it 

Dark satanic mills is clue 

But people with no interest in religion see it as an anthem 

Mind you we have God save our king 

7 hours ago, captainmed said:

The next Manager will be exactly the same boring bastard. 

The days of characters has long gone unfortunately.

We've had donkeys years of "characters" and none of them have a win record anywhere near approaching what Southgate has achieved. If he goes after this tournament there isn't really anyone else who had managed through the England youth teams/has the knowledge and experience of international football that Southgate has. Boring in your opinion maybe, but he's brought through loads of top players from being kids and he's a winner.

Keegan, Taylor, Venables, Revie, Robson, Hodgson, Hoddle, Erikson, Sir Alf Ramsey, Greenwood, Winterbottom and - yawn _ McLaren are all losers compared to Southgate.

Since the war, only one manager - Fabio Capello - has had more success than Southgate (unless you count Allardyce's played 1 won 1 100% record which I don't as it was a jammy 1 nil win snatched in extra time against Slovakia - a game we should have won comfortably)

If it means England winning most of their games, I don't give a f*** how boring Southgate is.

43 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

We've had donkeys years of "characters" and none of them have a win record anywhere near approaching what Southgate has achieved. If he goes after this tournament there isn't really anyone else who had managed through the England youth teams/has the knowledge and experience of international football that Southgate has. Boring in your opinion maybe, but he's brought through loads of top players from being kids and he's a winner.

Keegan, Taylor, Venables, Revie, Robson, Hodgson, Hoddle, Erikson, Sir Alf Ramsey, Greenwood, Winterbottom and - yawn _ McLaren are all losers compared to Southgate.

Since the war, only one manager - Fabio Capello - has had more success than Southgate (unless you count Allardyce's played 1 won 1 100% record which I don't as it was a jammy 1 nil win snatched in extra time against Slovakia - a game we should have won comfortably)

If it means England winning most of their games, I don't give a f*** how boring Southgate is.

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2 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

We've had donkeys years of "characters" and none of them have a win record anywhere near approaching what Southgate has achieved. If he goes after this tournament there isn't really anyone else who had managed through the England youth teams/has the knowledge and experience of international football that Southgate has. Boring in your opinion maybe, but he's brought through loads of top players from being kids and he's a winner.

Keegan, Taylor, Venables, Revie, Robson, Hodgson, Hoddle, Erikson, Sir Alf Ramsey, Greenwood, Winterbottom and - yawn _ McLaren are all losers compared to Southgate.

Since the war, only one manager - Fabio Capello - has had more success than Southgate (unless you count Allardyce's played 1 won 1 100% record which I don't as it was a jammy 1 nil win snatched in extra time against Slovakia - a game we should have won comfortably)

If it means England winning most of their games, I don't give a f*** how boring Southgate is.

He will lift me off the sofa the day he fucks off.

Sir Alf a loser compared to this choker? Wash yer mouth out FFS.

Can't knock what Southgate has achieved no matter what you think of his demeanour.

Iceland was the wake up call the country needed, a ball needs to hit bottom to bounce back up and all that.

From St George's park to the success of our youth set-ups and that has progressed in to the first team, all with Southgate as part of it. He's obviously a tremendous man manager, great coach and has managed to change the whole ethos around the national team. 

He's not some disciplinarian like Capello treating them like kids but he's not afraid to make big calls either.

His tenure has been a success for me, however, it could have been so much more. Outthought by Croatia and had Italy by the short and curlys but watched the game vanish before his eyes. 

France, I don't blame him as much, Kane scores and we win. Fine margins and that.

I can't help but feel this was a tournament too many for him. Hope I'm wrong but with a weaker sqaud this time I just don't think he's got the tactical nous to break a low block down or worse still out think one of the big boys.

 

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Can't knock what Southgate has achieved no matter what you think of his demeanour.

Iceland was the wake up call the country needed, a ball needs to hit bottom to bounce back up and all that.

From St George's park to the success of our youth set-ups and that has progressed in to the first team, all with Southgate as part of it. He's obviously a tremendous man manager, great coach and has managed to change the whole ethos around the national team. 

He's not some disciplinarian like Capello treating them like kids but he's not afraid to make big calls either.

His tenure has been a success for me, however, it could have been so much more. Outthought by Croatia and had Italy by the short and curlys but watched the game vanish before his eyes. 

France, I don't blame him as much, Kane scores and we win. Fine margins and that.

I can't help but feel this was a tournament too many for him. Hope I'm wrong but with a weaker sqaud this time I just don't think he's got the tactical nous to break a low block down or worse still out think one of the big boys.

 

And ultimately that’s what he’s paid to do. 

Get Farridge in as next manager.

Keeps Bolty happy and gets the fucker out of politics. Win-win.

32 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Can't knock what Southgate has achieved no matter what you think of his demeanour.

Iceland was the wake up call the country needed, a ball needs to hit bottom to bounce back up and all that.

From St George's park to the success of our youth set-ups and that has progressed in to the first team, all with Southgate as part of it. He's obviously a tremendous man manager, great coach and has managed to change the whole ethos around the national team. 

He's not some disciplinarian like Capello treating them like kids but he's not afraid to make big calls either.

His tenure has been a success for me, however, it could have been so much more. Outthought by Croatia and had Italy by the short and curlys but watched the game vanish before his eyes. 

France, I don't blame him as much, Kane scores and we win. Fine margins and that.

I can't help but feel this was a tournament too many for him. Hope I'm wrong but with a weaker sqaud this time I just don't think he's got the tactical nous to break a low block down or worse still out think one of the big boys.

 

Problem with Southgate is that he has had a team many of the previous managers could only dream of and easy routes through 2 of the 3 tournaments he's managed, so missed great opportunities to win things:

-World Cup 2018 we really should have got through to the final after such an easy draw, but wilted against a workmanlike Croatia (Modric and Rakitic excepted)

-Euro 2021 again ahead against Italy, but gradually wilted. And that Italian team wasn't great as shown by no qualifying for the WC the next year

-World Cup 2022 France were a better team so no complaints really. But it does follow the pattern of getting knocked out the moment we play a decent side

Now we have an abundance or riches in the squad. Probably only France with better

8 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

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The emoji reply, when you realise you haven't a clue what you're talking about 

15 minutes ago, Stig said:

Problem with Southgate is that he has had a team many of the previous managers could only dream of and easy routes through 2 of the 3 tournaments he's managed, so missed great opportunities to win things:

-World Cup 2018 we really should have got through to the final after such an easy draw, but wilted against a workmanlike Croatia (Modric and Rakitic excepted)

-Euro 2021 again ahead against Italy, but gradually wilted. And that Italian team wasn't great as shown by no qualifying for the WC the next year

-World Cup 2022 France were a better team so no complaints really. But it does follow the pattern of getting knocked out the moment we play a decent side

Now we have an abundance or riches in the squad. Probably only France with better

TBF the "golden generation" should have done a lot more - as should the teams of both Mexico WCs (Maradona notwithstanding) so it's not the first time we've had "an abundance of riches" (according to the British media) We have some good players and some good young prospects but so do other countries.

Even Serbia have a few decent youngsters - it'll be interesting to see how Saka goes on against Pavlovic if he's played on Saka's side and how Rice etc deal with Samardzic in the middle (both quality youngsters) - should be no problem, but we can't let them play. And we know all about Mitro who will love to have a go at our CBs.

Yes we have bigged up our prospects yet again, but that always happens and you can't lay that at Southgate's door. If the media don't manage expectations, no wonder so many Brits judge success purely on competition wins - and that hasn't gone particularly well has it?

33 minutes ago, L/H White said:

The emoji reply, when you realise you haven't a clue what you're talking about 

🤡 here have a badge. 😘

42 minutes ago, wakey said:

Get Farridge in as next manager.

Keeps Bolty happy and gets the fucker out of politics. Win-win.

OK wankey, why do you find it necessary to misspell names?

I'd take what you suggest to get rid of Southgate.

Regards,

Botly.

Ultimately, Southgate is the manager who’s got closer than any (since 1966) to doing what Mounts says he’s paid to do - win trophies. Facts speak for themselves.

A load of envious gammons don’t like him because he’s a decent bloke who gives a shit about things like mental health, racism, discrimination. All that lefty wokism.

For me, his weakness is in-game tactics. I was at Wembley for the Euros final and saw it first hand. But hopefully he’s learned from it. I’m happy to give him one more shot. I’ll back him and the team. If he doesn’t achieve it this tournament, it’ll be best for all for him to move on.

14 hours ago, gonzo said:

Does Jerusalem not just say how shit England is and how much it needs a make over by the big JC himself?

Song about migration from the middle east basically

26 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Facts speak for themselves.

OK then. Point me to the trophies he has won for England. See, you are correct. Facts speak for themselves.

I only know of two mickey mouse cup wins for him as a player. I can think of two horrible Euro Nations losses attributable to him as both a player and a manager.

Southgate out.

Three Lions on to set the mood

12 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

OK then. Point me to the trophies he has won for England. See, you are correct. Facts speak for themselves.

I only know of two mickey mouse cup wins for him as a player. I can think of two horrible Euro Nations losses attributable to him as both a player and a manager.

Southgate out.

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Caught one. 

It's disappointing to read Toulon tournament disrespect on this thread this morning

This England side isn't close to the greatest in my lifetime (I'm 46). 

Had England done our usual trick of being pretty abysmal in major tournaments then Southgate would be getting less sticky than he currently does. 

It's precisely BECAUSE he's raised expectations that people get upset when we don't win every tournament. 

Whatever way you spin it - GS is by far the best manager have England have had in my lifetime. Maybe not the most charismatic - or the one who plays the sexiest football - but the one who has brought the most success. 

All this 'we should have won something with this squad' bollocks. There's not been a single tournament where we've been the best team on paper. 

And add to that the small matter of the other 23 teams that all want to win it either. 

Southgate hasn't been perfect - but to suggest he's done anything less than an very good job is bonkers in my opinion. 

Like all tournaments - jury is out again. But let's see how he gets on this time.

11 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

We've had donkeys years of "characters" and none of them have a win record anywhere near approaching what Southgate has achieved. If he goes after this tournament there isn't really anyone else who had managed through the England youth teams/has the knowledge and experience of international football that Southgate has. Boring in your opinion maybe, but he's brought through loads of top players from being kids and he's a winner.

Keegan, Taylor, Venables, Revie, Robson, Hodgson, Hoddle, Erikson, Sir Alf Ramsey, Greenwood, Winterbottom and - yawn _ McLaren are all losers compared to Southgate.

Since the war, only one manager - Fabio Capello - has had more success than Southgate (unless you count Allardyce's played 1 won 1 100% record which I don't as it was a jammy 1 nil win snatched in extra time against Slovakia - a game we should have won comfortably)

If it means England winning most of their games, I don't give a f*** how boring Southgate is.

How the fuck can you say Southgates a winner when hes won fuck all. He lost us the euros last time round, and will do the same in Germany.