Leyton Orient (A)

[Dr. Feelgood]

1 hour ago, VividDreamer said:

I’d put my house on the majority of Bolton fans thinking Iredale and Cogley are our weak links.

Not here. Cogley was excellent last season. Iredale, not a poor player but not great. He was targeted yesterday, so Orient must see him as a weakness, but the lad against him had a great game ... chicken or egg ?

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

That is unfair he has given a thorough reasoning why he doesn't think Sheen will have the same impact and his time is almost up. I disagree but it doesn't warrant that response.

@Wanderlust it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Not sure any of the new players have the same ability as Josh, but that means we can mix it up more something we sorely missed last season 

 

Just a bit of fun, I think he can take it. I often read his rambling posts and think ‘what are you on about’ ?

[HR]

1 hour ago, Take Hunt Off said:

No tippy tappy between Santos & Toal yesterday . Santos launching seemed a bit futile as neither Charles/Collins seem suited to retaining possession with CB’s up their arses rarther than playing off the shoulder of defenders, maybe a one off to suit the opponents of the day.

McAtee looks a player !

Evatt said after the game yesterday, Sheehan was crowded out in midfield so he changed tactics to exploit the space left behind the wings.  This does ask questions of Sheehan, whether he should be able to cope with less space, would we do the same with someone like Bannan in our team?  Like the back end of last season, the opposition seemed to find most space just in front of our central defence. Vic was very unlucky not to start given his pre season form IMO.

All in all this was a very big result for us, a 'bonus' win if you like, not the kind of game we've had much joy from under Evatt.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

16 minutes ago, HR said:

Evatt said after the game yesterday, Sheehan was crowded out in midfield so he changed tactics to exploit the space left behind the wings.  This does ask questions of Sheehan, whether he should be able to cope with less space, would we do the same with someone like Bannan in our team?  Like the back end of last season, the opposition seemed to find most space just in front of our central defence. Vic was very unlucky not to start given his pre season form IMO.

All in all this was a very big result for us, a 'bonus' win if you like, not the kind of game we've had much joy from under Evatt.

I think there were improvements in that regard last season- particularly early on.

Later, teams sussed us, and we struggled to change it up.

[Farnywhite]

22 minutes ago, HR said:

Evatt said after the game yesterday, Sheehan was crowded out in midfield so he changed tactics to exploit the space left behind the wings.  This does ask questions of Sheehan, whether he should be able to cope with less space, would we do the same with someone like Bannan in our team?  Like the back end of last season, the opposition seemed to find most space just in front of our central defence. Vic was very unlucky not to start given his pre season form IMO.

All in all this was a very big result for us, a 'bonus' win if you like, not the kind of game we've had much joy from under Evatt.

We changed tactics though and started playing longer so the ball was mostly going over sheehans head when you compare it to the start of last season and say the Barnsley  at home we’re we insisted on playing it from the back and through midfield no matter what the press was it was a improvement.
When teams don’t press and sit back we have the option of Sheehan then having time on the ball that alone is a improvement we don’t look as rigid 

[desperado]

Some good analysis and opinion above.

Points I most disagree with. I don’t agree with the writing off of Cogley and Sheehan.

I actually thought Cogley had a good game both at RWB and RCB, solid, composed and creative in both roles. 

And no way may Sheehans time be up as a big influence in making us a success this year. Yes there may be games like yesterday where he’s not as influential, but there’ll be a lot more where he is.

View from the sunny terrace 

Arfield quiet, Toal & Collins ok. Santos very good. Charles great finish then a poor one which looked easier. Very impressed with McAtee, Matate, Lolos and in particular Schon. Impact from all subs especially Vic. MOM Baxter.

We looked like we wanted to move the ball forward quicker, not always effective, but positive. 

Great backing from the fans (with a few new tunes on the go 😉) on a summer London afternoon, just what first games of the season are all about. 👏👏

[gonzo]

2 hours ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

That is unfair he has given a thorough reasoning why he doesn't think Sheen will have the same impact and his time is almost up. I disagree but it doesn't warrant that response.

@Wanderlust it will be interesting to see how it plays out. Not sure any of the new players have the same ability as Josh, but that means we can mix it up more something we sorely missed last season 

 

He's not gonna shag you mate

[only1swanny]

Maybe some have hit the nail on the head, 

Sheehan has to be first name on the sheet, so if its become known how to keep him out of the game, make it unpredictable if he starts or not, 

[London Wanderer]

Think we’re all delighted with that start, we were lucky at times though. Room for improvement but it’s early days.

This standard in this league is frightening. Going to be some ride. 
 

[Jol_BWFC]

As I was walking away from the stadium yesterday, I overheard a couple of their fans saying “That Santos is a good player, isn’t he?”

No Bolton bias, just a Roy Walker, say what you see.  

[desperado]

25 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

As I was walking away from the stadium yesterday, I overheard a couple of their fans saying “That Santos is a good player, isn’t he?”

No Bolton bias, just a Roy Walker, say what you see.  

He was, as he is so often is, our best defender by quite some distance yesterday. 

Edited August 11, 2024 by desperado

[Dr. Feelgood]

It's probably just me but the concept that we prepare songs reminds me of 12yr old girls rehearsing dance moves to their favourite tunes.

[gonzo]

3 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

As I was walking away from the stadium yesterday, I overheard a couple of their fans saying “That Santos is a good player, isn’t he?”

No Bolton bias, just a Roy Walker, say what you see.  

He was brilliant yesterday. Releasing the ball quicker and imperious in the air.

I've read people complaining we played hoofball. Aye let's go back to walking tippy tappy stuff eh

[Johnnyrotten]

23 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Maybe some have hit the nail on the head, 

Sheehan has to be first name on the sheet, so if its become known how to keep him out of the game, make it unpredictable if he starts or not, 

I always think we give the opposition a head start by the predictability of our formation ie 5 at the back.  Hopefully that habit may change a bit this season, I'm referring to the previous 2 years, but any manager (eg the Oxford & Wigan managers especially) can spend days preparing for how we'll play because every man and his dog knows our formation and playing style.  Would it kill us to throw in the odd curve ball at 2.59pm with a 4-4-2 with eg Iredale/Jones as full backs and Schon/JDC wingers?  Even if we only did it once a month it would remove the certainty in planning that the opposition enjoy.   

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

It's probably just me but the concept that we prepare songs reminds me of 12yr old girls rehearsing dance moves to their favourite tunes.

I reckon it's great.

Like some of the "big" clubs with loads of em.

Better that the standard "come on you whites" etc.

Keeps the fans going too and thus the players. 

[desperado]

1 minute ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

It's probably just me but the concept that we prepare songs reminds me of 12yr old girls rehearsing dance moves to their favourite tunes.

You’re getting old pal! 🤣. 

Good fun yesterday with the new songs being aired. I was forever asking my lad what the lyrics were! 🤣

While I was educating him on the original 80s versions of the tunes. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, desperado said:

You’re getting old pal! 🤣. 

Good fun yesterday with the new songs being aired. I was forever asking my lad what the lyrics were! 🤣

While I was educating him on the original 80s versions of the tunes. 

Lyrics: I've never been able to easily pick lyrics out of songs, no matter who sings them- from pop, to football.

Weird.

[Dr. Feelgood]

4 minutes ago, desperado said:

You’re getting old pal! 🤣. 

Guilty.

But tbf I was exactly this grumpy in my yoof.

[Zico]

45 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Think we’re all delighted with that start, we were lucky at times though. Room for improvement but it’s early days.

This standard in this league is frightening. Going to be some ride. 
 

I'm not frightened 

[thebells]

18 minutes ago, gonzo said:

He was brilliant yesterday. Releasing the ball quicker and imperious in the air.

I've read people complaining we played hoofball. Aye let's go back to walking tippy tappy stuff eh

People complaining will be the same ones who were demanding a plan B all close season. 

Yesterday, we started with a different formation to last season AND adjusted tactically during the game. The perfect example of plan B. I’m wondering at what point Evatt will be given his due credit for that. 

As I’ve said before, people are quick to shout plan B when we lose, but not to acknowledge it’s existence when we win  

(Not aimed at you by the way 😊)

[Ani]

I think McAtee is going to be important , in games last season when as IE says we got 'bullied' away from home one of the issues was that lacked an 'out' ball. We had this yesterday and this means we push the opposition a bit further back and this frees space up. Can not remember many times where once the tide had turned we battled back as well as we did yesterday. 
 

Hopefully his presence also makes it harder for teams to press and this frees up space for Sheehan and others in midfield. 
 

Assume we can at least see much more of a Plan B than in the past. But only one game, next couple could really set the tone for the season . 

[only1swanny]

1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I always think we give the opposition a head start by the predictability of our formation ie 5 at the back.  Hopefully that habit may change a bit this season, I'm referring to the previous 2 years, but any manager (eg the Oxford & Wigan managers especially) can spend days preparing for how we'll play because every man and his dog knows our formation and playing style.  Would it kill us to throw in the odd curve ball at 2.59pm with a 4-4-2 with eg Iredale/Jones as full backs and Schon/JDC wingers?  Even if we only did it once a month it would remove the certainty in planning that the opposition enjoy.   

It would really mess up plans to realise where not playing him at 2pm, instead we're playing slightly different as its clear they're planning to play him out of the game 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 hours ago, Take Hunt Off said:

No tippy tappy between Santos & Toal yesterday . Santos launching seemed a bit futile as neither Charles/Collins seem suited to retaining possession with CB’s up their arses rarther than playing off the shoulder of defenders, maybe a one off to suit the opponents of the day.

McAtee looks a player !

I think in these situations, the strikers have to play on the shoulder, or one drop in. Doesn't have to hold it up,so long as there is a midfielder/wingback making a move close by that he can pop it off to first time.

Also helps if the longer pass is below head height, and ideally on the floor 

[Dr. Feelgood]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

... in games last season when as IE says we got 'bullied' away from home

McAtee, Matete & Arfield suggest 'being bullied' may not be quite so easy this season.

[bolty58]

9 hours ago, VividDreamer said:

who are the wrist slashing crew?

I'll let you decide. 

Hints - look for those who make no allowance for shaking off the rust in the first game of a new season; can't simply rejoice at an opening game away win at what I reckon will prove a tough opponent for many; follow football to stoke their melancholia rather than for the sheer ecstasy (and sometimes agony) which is the essence of the game we love.

Fuck it - you and a couple of others.