The first of three tough matches coming up starting with Orient.

They seem to have hit some form but hopefully lessons learnt against Shrewsbury should get us a win.

12 minutes ago, woolli said:

Games wouldnt finish until 6.30pm.

 

1 hour ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

If that is the case I would anticipate rule changes to 4 quarters, or official time outs for both teams 

Which is what those football  heretics from Trumpland have wanted for years.

They'll ban a draw next.

They should f'cough.

41 minutes ago, woolli said:

Games wouldnt finish until 5.30pm.

Makes relatively little difference in RL, and that’s even in a situation where you’d expect teams to be keener to waste time for a rest etc 

39 minutes ago, Traf said:

Games wouldnt finish until 5.30pm

Not for long.

1 hour ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

For international broadcast and premier league matches maybe, not having it for Bolton V Orient in the 3rd tier, no matter how many 'international' viewers we may attract. 

If that is the case I would anticipate rule changes to 4 quarters, or official time outs for both teams 

whatever they do, they won't have different rules for different tiers

integrity of the game

except VAR, obvs

Some interesting ideas from some people around the league. Why doesnt the 4th official go with the physio and make sure it's not a piss take? Or the lino? Then the 4th official and red or other lino can go to the teams benches and make sure no shenanigans are taking place. Dish out cards or send off the manager if something is going on?

 

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/24958996.bolton-wanderers-boss-discusses-goalkeeper-injury-loophole/

25 minutes ago, SalCity Biggie said:

Some interesting ideas from some people around the league. Why doesnt the 4th official go with the physio and make sure it's not a piss take? Or the lino? Then the 4th official and red or other lino can go to the teams benches and make sure no shenanigans are taking place. Dish out cards or send off the manager if something is going on?

 

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/24958996.bolton-wanderers-boss-discusses-goalkeeper-injury-loophole/

Nice idea & good points. I still think a good reiterating of the rules intent behind them and instructions not to fck about are the answer. Otherwise the authorities are being led by the nose & the fckrs will simply look for new loopholes.

One 'loophole' that needs to be looked at, is stoppage time - I believe each team should have their own clock, in effect.

10 minutes added time on Saturday and 9 of those were wasted by the away team who could have eventually benefitted from the time they wasted.

For example, Orient have wasted 7 minutes of the 10, but Bolton who are now winning, have wasted 3 minutes. So there should only be 3 minutes played.

If Bolton are behind, play the 7 minutes that the leading team have wasted.

So basically, you only add the stoppage time on at the end of the half, for the amount of time the leading time have taken in stoppages - If the game is level, then you play the combined stoppages

Someone could have probably explained that better than I could in about 12 words

Average actual ball in play time is about 56 minutes currently which isn’t great VFM if you’ve paid to watch 90.
60 minutes countdown to stop time wasting and it might be worth considering all injuries leave or are carted off the field and optional temporary subs used so the game carries on. 
 

Not the perfect solution but there must be something along these lines that stops cheating.

Game would be over earlier but we’d see more actual footie.

39 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

One 'loophole' that needs to be looked at, is stoppage time - I believe each team should have their own clock, in effect.

10 minutes added time on Saturday and 9 of those were wasted by the away team who could have eventually benefitted from the time they wasted.

For example, Orient have wasted 7 minutes of the 10, but Bolton who are now winning, have wasted 3 minutes. So there should only be 3 minutes played.

If Bolton are behind, play the 7 minutes that the leading team have wasted.

So basically, you only add the stoppage time on at the end of the half, for the amount of time the leading time have taken in stoppages - If the game is level, then you play the combined stoppages

Far too complicated 

What if it's a draw, you add ten mins

then orient takes the lead 

Do you reduce it to 3 minutes 

Then if we score does it go back to ten

 

I accepted time wasting long ago 

Don't get annoyed either way 

So long as it gets added on

And all the sweeter if we get something in the time added on

1 hour ago, boltonboris said:

One 'loophole' that needs to be looked at, is stoppage time - I believe each team should have their own clock, in effect.

10 minutes added time on Saturday and 9 of those were wasted by the away team who could have eventually benefitted from the time they wasted.

For example, Orient have wasted 7 minutes of the 10, but Bolton who are now winning, have wasted 3 minutes. So there should only be 3 minutes played.

If Bolton are behind, play the 7 minutes that the leading team have wasted.

So basically, you only add the stoppage time on at the end of the half, for the amount of time the leading time have taken in stoppages - If the game is level, then you play the combined stoppages

Nothing complicated then!

Simplest and most effective way of reducing additional time is the referee getting to fucking grips with things early on. Time wasting isn’t mutually exclusive to the last 10 minutes of a game.
 

But they constantly fall in to the trap. He booked one of our lot for tying his lace after we went 2-1 up as he perceived it as time wasting. Yet their lot tossing the ball between 3 of them deciding who is going to take a throw in after 50 minutes isn’t? 

Wellens even admitted it himself that his team were doing it after 20 minutes and everyone in the ground can see when a player is taking too long on a throw in, corner or goal kick. Get the cards out.

It will quickly get them hurrying up the next time regardless of whether there’s 1 or 89 minutes left. But they’re all too weak
 

In terms of “injuries” maybe they need to introduce a treatment countdown type thing. Up to 30 seconds. After that the ref gets the physio to take them off to continue treatment (except for clearly obvious bad ones) it will soon get them back on the pitch if the games been restarted 

Edited February 24, 20251 yr by barrycowdrill

Indeed, adding time on isnt the same

Keep getting a break is miles easier

Whe the goal keeper goes down the managers must go over to the 4th official at the side of the dugout no contact with players

Keeper goes down, then keeper goes off for 30 seconds,  keep it simple and it will all stop very soon

1 hour ago, Hoppy said:

Whe the goal keeper goes down the managers must go over to the 4th official at the side of the dugout no contact with players

But the other team can speak to their manager. That would stop it. 

Both keepers would just go down then though. 
 

I think making them change goalkeeper would stop it. Not many teams have two decent keepers. Disrupt the side. 5 minutes later the keepers have to change back 

The keeper things done intentionally so the manager can speak to his players. Stop allowing that and you stop keepers going down, it really is that simple. Players should not be allowed to interact with their manager whilst the keeper receives treatment.

2 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

The keeper things done intentionally so the manager can speak to his players. Stop allowing that and you stop keepers going down, it really is that simple. Players should not be allowed to interact with their manager whilst the keeper receives treatment.

Seems perfectly sensible. 

Players stay on tbe pitch, well away.

The coaching staff sit down on their "bench".

A yellow to anyone taking liberties.

The keeper thing doesn't bother me as much as it did.

When we had Evatt, you knew the opposition manager would use it to make tactical tweaks while our mon would walk round hands in pockets, staring at the floor and generally doing fuck all.

The fucking useless lump.

You can not be that bothered about the keeper wasting time unless you get annoyed when we do it.

Someone mentioned it is ripping off fans but let’s be honest if we are 1 up and the ref blew for time early no one gives a fuck. 

8 minutes ago, Ani said:

You can not be that bothered about the keeper wasting time unless you get annoyed when we do it.

Someone mentioned it is ripping off fans but let’s be honest if we are 1 up and the ref blew for time early no one gives a fuck. 

precisely where I'm at

book them, add time on, whatever

makes those Crawley moments all the sweeter

am sure there's been similar in the last couple of seasons as well

am sure if and when we go up to the Championship and come up against the bigger teams there we'll do the same if we're down the bottom scrapping for every point we get

22 hours ago, boltonboris said:

One 'loophole' that needs to be looked at, is stoppage time - I believe each team should have their own clock, in effect.

10 minutes added time on Saturday and 9 of those were wasted by the away team who could have eventually benefitted from the time they wasted.

For example, Orient have wasted 7 minutes of the 10, but Bolton who are now winning, have wasted 3 minutes. So there should only be 3 minutes played.

If Bolton are behind, play the 7 minutes that the leading team have wasted.

So basically, you only add the stoppage time on at the end of the half, for the amount of time the leading time have taken in stoppages - If the game is level, then you play the combined stoppages

 

It's not really a loophole. The point of added on time isn't to punish one side or the other, it's just to add back time into the game that was lost for whatever reason. The only punishment for time-wasting is yellow cards (you can argue that this could be enforced more strongly).

I just find it hard to get that worked up about it. As soon as we were winning on Saturday we were time-wasting like fuck and nobody seemed that bothered. If it was up to me I'd do the 30mins stop/start clock, but that'll never happen.

6 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

As soon as we were winning on Saturday we were time-wasting like fuck and nobody seemed that bothered

I noticed that, Southwood making it very obvious he was just doing what their keeper had been. I don't like the nonsense with keeper sit-downs, whoever's doing it, but what I did notice was us being a bit more savvy about 'managing' those late stages under SS than we were under Evatt. 

I remember how Plymouth, under SS, shithouses their way to a point at ours the other year despite us pummelling them late on. All the tricks used. I'm all right if he instils a bit of that into us.