Port Vale (H)

[Ani]

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

Why did we give them more?

If they asked for more and do not sell them do nt they have to pay for them ? 

[jmjhb]

7 minutes ago, Ani said:

If they asked for more and do not sell them do nt they have to pay for them ? 

Nope, they only to have to pay (95%) for what they've sold

Edited November 6, 2025 by jmjhb

[Wanderlust]

7 minutes ago, Ani said:

If they asked for more and do not sell them do nt they have to pay for them ? 

Seeing as we aren’t going to fill the ground it would be stupid not to offer them more just in case they can put more money into our pot.

[jmjhb]

3 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

Seeing as we aren’t going to fill the ground it would be stupid not to offer them more just in case they can put more money into our pot.

Case in point being the Bradford match

[Ani]

8 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

Nope, they only to have to pay (95%) for what they've sold

Was there ever such a rule ?

I have heard it churned as a reason when have sold out games in the past. Albeit that would be someone posting somewhere on tinternet and AI says it is a rule so it must be true 🤥🤥😂😂

 

[jmjhb]

Can't see that being enforced given the match is far from a sellout 😁

[gonzo]

7 hours ago, Wanderlust said:

Seeing as we aren’t going to fill the ground it would be stupid not to offer them more just in case they can put more money into our pot.

The point is they asked for extra tickets.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

59 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The point is they asked for extra tickets.

Aye, quite simple really. 

 

[jeep]

BWFC 2

Port Vale 0

Burstow & Cozier-Duberry.....

Coyfwm 

[Whitesince63]

9 hours ago, jmjhb said:

Can't see that being enforced given the match is far from a sellout 😁

Why does it have to be a sell out though? We have a far bigger ground than most so it’s unlikely we’d ever fill it in L1 but the same rule must apply to every team surely and those with smaller grounds could justifiably complain if extra tickets for away fans were requested but weren’t sold and which could have gone to home fans and been paid for. If there was no penalty clubs could therefore ask for bigger allocations just to ensure less home support.

[bwfc2003]

Also as they requested an additional 500 tickets the club will have to assume 500 are coming and plan accordingly - more stewards Turnstile men?? police?/ catering etc ??

[jmjhb]

54 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Why does it have to be a sell out though? We have a far bigger ground than most so it’s unlikely we’d ever fill it in L1 but the same rule must apply to every team surely and those with smaller grounds could justifiably complain if extra tickets for away fans were requested but weren’t sold and which could have gone to home fans and been paid for. If there was no penalty clubs could therefore ask for bigger allocations just to ensure less home support.

It's done between the ticket offices of the two clubs and then a reconciliation of sold tickets and returns is sent between them, it's not a huge conspiracy or anything

If anything, the clubs at this level will be thankful of the extra revenue

[RUREADY2ROLL]

1 hour ago, bwfc2003 said:

Also as they requested an additional 500 tickets the club will have to assume 500 are coming and plan accordingly - more stewards Turnstile men?? police?/ catering etc ??

That’s it; they just wanted more pies well pasties

[gonzo]

I've always been under the illusion that if a club asks for a certain allocation it has to pay for them, hence clubs usually take the initial allocation and see how they sell?

That was the case 30 years ago at Chelsea anyway. We lost to Leeds and didn't take the bigger allocation as they'd have had to pay for it even if it was a dead rubber.

[auckland_bwfc]

3 hours ago, bwfc2003 said:

Also as they requested an additional 500 tickets the club will have to assume 500 are coming and plan accordingly - more stewards Turnstile men?? police?/ catering etc ??

Turnstile Person*

[Johnnyrotten]

You'd think it would make a difference if it was going to impact on home support.  Whether Vale bring 1k or 4k makes no difference to our fans being able to buy tickets.  At Chelsea and most grounds that sell out, the size of the away end can probably be reduced if there's low take-up, so it has a direct bearing.  If a club asks for the maximum allocation it would make sense that they'd have to pay for them as they're denying the home team the chance to sell them.  Hard to think of any grounds where it would matter in L1 outside of play offs/promotion deciders.

[Cheese]

 

[gonzo]

13 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

You'd think it would make a difference if it was going to impact on home support.  Whether Vale bring 1k or 4k makes no difference to our fans being able to buy tickets.  At Chelsea and most grounds that sell out, the size of the away end can probably be reduced if there's low take-up, so it has a direct bearing.  If a club asks for the maximum allocation it would make sense that they'd have to pay for them as they're denying the home team the chance to sell them.  Hard to think of any grounds where it would matter in L1 outside of play offs/promotion deciders.

It makes a difference to the planning of the fixture though.

And there's a reason why some club take an initial allocation.

[Dr Faustus]

40 minutes ago, auckland_bwfc said:

Turnstile Person*

*Operative 😂

[Dr. Feelgood]

1 hour ago, auckland_bwfc said:

Turnstile Person*

Can they get pregnant ?

[frank_spencer]

3 hours ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

That’s it; they just wanted more pies well pasties

Given the grumbling from my mate when Wiggin ran out of pies before kick off, they best have enough in otherwise I'll not hear the end of it.

[Rival Son]

7 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Why does it have to be a sell out though? We have a far bigger ground than most so it’s unlikely we’d ever fill it in L1 but the same rule must apply to every team surely and those with smaller grounds could justifiably complain if extra tickets for away fans were requested but weren’t sold and which could have gone to home fans and been paid for. If there was no penalty clubs could therefore ask for bigger allocations just to ensure less home support.

Every time we open up an extra block for away fans, we have to employ additional stewards, catering and other staff. If they only then sell 50 tickets, we lose money on this request. That’s why they get x tickets on sale or return and have to pay up front for the y extra tickets.

Common sense, in my opinion.

EDIT: just realised I’m repeating the points made by others. Point stands, though.

Edited November 7, 2025 by Rival Son

[Leyther_Matt]

4 hours ago, gonzo said:

I've always been under the illusion that if a club asks for a certain allocation it has to pay for them, hence clubs usually take the initial allocation and see how they sell?

That was the case 30 years ago at Chelsea anyway. We lost to Leeds and didn't take the bigger allocation as they'd have had to pay for it even if it was a dead rubber.

That’s very much the case for Premier League games, but doesn’t apply at our level (unless clubs wanted to be a bellend). It is essentially because they can sell them on to their own fans and adjust the segregation rather than shitloads of empty seats in the away end.

The anticipated/requested allocations do have a big bearing on grounds like ours though with different arrangements for different sized followings. A few times we’ve had teams just about sell out the upper but not been given any extra for the lower because they’d end up only having a handful of fans in there but we’d have to pay for the extra policing, stewarding, catering, cleaning etc. 

[Stig]

I for one am enjoying this attendnoncery spin off chat

[Underpants]

On 03/11/2025 at 08:34, Wanderlust said:

What could possibly go wrong? Despite Darren Moore’s assertion that they are better than their league position suggests, all the signs are that they are there for the taking on Saturday and I can’t imagine any of us would not be disappointed with anything less than 3 points, especially after our recent heroics.

As the old adages go, it’s 11 against 11, any team in this league can beat any other team on their day etc etc…but we don’t want to think about that do we?

What we want to see is an improved performance, a professional attitude, a clean sheet, goals and a statement win that sets us up for the theoretically tougher run of games ahead.

Bring it on.

 

 

Saw them against Stockport and they were gash! 5-0 YHIHF.