ianofcleveleys Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) 31 minutes ago, gonzo said: Just hope SS doesn't go like Evatts did and he starts falling out with every cunt. We are a really hard club to manage. Massive fanbase in a league we shouldn't be in with high expectations and shit loads of pressure. He needs to keep cool and remember this is a marathon and not a sprint. Everything doesn't need fixing all in one go, game to game, despite what us fans protest. Keep calm. Stick to the plan and just get the pissing basics right. I was thinking similar just now. I got a sense (admittedly off the telly) that it was getting a bit toxic today. This time last year we threw in a similar stinker at Mansfield, followed by a worse one at Rotherham, it turned very nasty and Evatt was a goner. The last thing that's needed is for it to start getting that toxic again, especially at home, and adverserial between SS and the fans. Randall and Murphy walked into a shitstorm last Jan, the atmosphere did neither of them any good and, in Murphy's case, was probably an experience he'd sooner forget. We have some young players who are all struggling at the same time, they need a bit of calm around them to help them re-find their mojo, as do any other loanees we might want to bring in during Jan. If its a bear pit we might start to find clubs thinking twice about sending us talent. It's reasonable there are some questions / concerns about where we're at, and reasonable that SS fronts up to them but there needs to be a bit of measurement on both sides, not the sort of battleground it became last season. Edited January 1 by ianofcleveleys Quote
Popular Post RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted January 1 Popular Post Posted January 1 To be fair to SS, in the first half we overcame part of our problem of being poor in either box.......we didnt go in theirs!..... I really dont like writing players off but Nats statue is more mobile and has better awareness than Dalby. Doncaster are a poor team yet had players who showed a damn sight more appetite and desire than ours do and our in game management is woeful. Any decent whipped ball into out box causes mayhem every week yet we insist on floating nothing balls into a box to a striker who has zero nous and where no midfielders are making supporting runs. We would be more of a threat if SKD and Kevin Nolan made a comeback. And for my final rant, why is it virtually everytime we get a throw in near the opponents penalty area does it end up with passes andback at our goalies feet? Quote
Zico Posted January 1 Posted January 1 2 hours ago, ianofcleveleys said: I'm tempted to agree with that, thr better strikers, even at our level, have the ability to make a goal happen for themselves, with a bit of vision and ability, or maybe the pace to get beyond a defender or seize on an error. At the moment none of our present options have that in them Burstow did earlier in the season but it seems to have deserted him Quote
Popular Post desperado Posted January 1 Popular Post Posted January 1 Just back. Let’s get the negative stuff out of the way. That was poor. Wrong set up today. We’re in a poor run of form, losing to Wycombe, losing to Mansfield and that today is concerning. Having an in-depth squad has caused more problems in this run of games than it has solutions. The chopping and changing has not helped. We’ve got issues and uncertainties with our keeper and forward selections Not so much positives, but signs that this is reversible and we’re still not out of promotion contention. Today we didn’t start with 3 of our best players - Toal, Sheehan and ACD. Get them back in sharpish. Schumacher’s post match comments acknowledged the deficiencies today. I thought he justified the changes he made but also intimated that they didn’t have the desired effect. Quite rightly I don’t think we’ll be seeing 4-4-2 again - certainly not with that personnel. We play much better with 3 midfielders (a 10 or two eights) I suspect we’ll be straight back to this Sunday, with our two wingers in situ ready to create more chances (better ones please) We didn’t lose - we could and arguably should have done. The other results mean we haven’t lost ground on those above. A good chance to turn our form around Sunday and if we do and maintain a good run then promotion can still be on the cards. Time for a more settled side. Despite a disappointing day on the pitch. A great away day off it. The Heaton CC fun bus was fantastic, a great day with like minded whites 👏 Quote
Zog1 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 11 minutes ago, Zico said: Burstow did earlier in the season but it seems to have deserted him What do you notice about these goals. Peterborough: A proper cross and a through ball into space. Plymouth: Getting to the byline and crossing We've not been doing either with consistency for months, the supply has gone and the goals have stopped as a result. Quote
desperado Posted January 1 Posted January 1 6 minutes ago, gonzo said: @davidjackthere Aye yes. Good mate of mine. We talked about you today! Guys we’ve met off WanderersWays! 😂 Quote
desperado Posted January 1 Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, Zog1 said: What do you notice about these goals. Peterborough: A proper cross and a through ball into space. Plymouth: Getting to the byline and crossing We've not been doing either with consistency for months, the supply has gone and the goals have stopped as a result. Difference there is - We had a side go toe to toe with us. Think they had more possession than us. Easier to counter and pick off as apposed to shit-houses who come and park the bus. Quote
Zog1 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 5 minutes ago, desperado said: Difference there is - We had a side go toe to toe with us. Think they had more possession than us. Easier to counter and pick off as apposed to shit-houses who come and park the bus. What we need: patience, width, quick combinations, and intelligent movement to overload areas, focusing on stretching the compact block, exploiting gaps by drawing defenders with runners, and creating quick, decisive attacks or switches of play. What we get: slow and predictable build-up, with wild long shots. The way you get teams to stop parking the bus is you make it more damaging to do that than play normally, so they come at us and we can batter them. Don't mean to sound like a **** but this is basic football 101 stuff for teams that park the bus. Yet week in week out we're not doing it. Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted January 1 Posted January 1 15 minutes ago, Zog1 said: What do you notice about these goals. Peterborough: A proper cross and a through ball into space. Plymouth: Getting to the byline and crossing We've not been doing either with consistency for months, the supply has gone and the goals have stopped as a result. The last 2 goals we've scored have been ACD getting to the byline, pulling it back and scoring. Its happened at least as much recently as earlier in the season, I'm not sure when this time was that we were scoring all these goals - except Wigan at home, who had that bizarre defensive set up. We couldn't win away or score more than 1 earlier in the season, and now we have exactly the same issue. Burstow has scored 1 away all season, from a fortunate shot deflected into his path (good finish). Getting our strikers to have shots on target away has been the issue since day one. Quote
gonzo Posted January 1 Posted January 1 6 minutes ago, Zog1 said: What we need: patience, width, quick combinations, and intelligent movement to overload areas, focusing on stretching the compact block, exploiting gaps by drawing defenders with runners, and creating quick, decisive attacks or switches of play. What we get: slow and predictable build-up, with wild long shots. The way you get teams to stop parking the bus is you make it more damaging to do that than play normally, so they come at us and we can batter them. Don't mean to sound like a **** but this is basic football 101 stuff for teams that park the bus. Yet week in week out we're not doing it. I reckon you could easily be a football manager some day. Hope you don't mind but I've sent some of your posts to my pal who works at AFC Fylde. I reckon he could something with your knowledge and clear potential in coaching. . Quote
Zico Posted January 1 Posted January 1 26 minutes ago, Zog1 said: What do you notice about these goals. Peterborough: A proper cross and a through ball into space. Plymouth: Getting to the byline and crossing We've not been doing either with consistency for months, the supply has gone and the goals have stopped as a result. also see the goals v Wigan and Huddersfield away Wigan, he gets the ball, runs at the defence and takes it forward, uses his feet well to make a chance for himself and score Huddersfield, gets the ball, uses feet well, gets if forward and puts in a great pass to ACD to score other things to note in those games leading to goals, crosses and passes from wide into the box - first two v wigan and 1 v huddersfield, with JDC involved also just not happening at the moment Quote
Zog1 Posted January 1 Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, gonzo said: I reckon you could easily be a football manager some day. Hope you don't mind but I've sent some of your posts to my pal who works at AFC Fylde. I reckon he could something with your knowledge and clear potential in coaching. . Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted January 1 Posted January 1 29 minutes ago, desperado said: A good chance to turn our form around Sunday and if we do and maintain a good run then promotion can still be on the cards. Time for a more settled side. Course it would be great to win 4-0 on Sunday and I'll enjoy it as usual, but we know its kicking the can down the road, and the 3 away games are the acid test. We can't turn our form around on Sunday, that would be getting through the next 4 games unbeaten (a defeat in any of those seems unthinkable on the back of our last 4). We aren't off the pace because we aren't beating the Northampton's at home enough and the next 3 aways look daunting with this team. Quote
desperado Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said: Course it would be great to win 4-0 on Sunday and I'll enjoy it as usual, but we know its kicking the can down the road, and the 3 away games are the acid test. We can't turn our form around on Sunday, that would be getting through the next 4 games unbeaten (a defeat in any of those seems unthinkable on the back of our last 4). We aren't off the pace because we aren't beating the Northampton's at home enough and the next 3 aways look daunting with this team. Ok, it was missing a word “A good chance to start to turn our form around Sunday and if we do, maintain a good run” But I would have thought the second part of the sentence “maintaining a good run” would have suggested just beating Northampton isn’t enough. I would think after a night and day on it, to miss one word out is forgivable 😂 Quote
frank_spencer Posted January 1 Posted January 1 2 hours ago, CumbrianWhite said: Forss is a striker getting shoehorned in elsewhere. Either play him Upfront or not at all. He played striker the other day and looked lost as fuck. For me he's looked best as foil to a proper number 9 when Burstow was playing well. Its reached the point where I'm wondering if Vic or Big Dave can do any better than Dalby or current Burstow. certainly very little scope for being any worse Quote
Zico Posted January 1 Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: We aren't off the pace because we aren't beating the Northampton's at home enough and the next 3 aways look daunting with this team. We need to sort it out because that 7 game run in from Stevenage at home to the of the season looks like fucking hard work right now Quote
Ani Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) 30 minutes ago, gonzo said: I reckon you could easily be a football manager some day. Hope you don't mind but I've sent some of your posts to my pal who works at AFC Fylde. I reckon he could something with your knowledge and clear potential in coaching. . Before you send his details off you may want to consider me. My main point is 2 in midfield away from home does not fucking work. Today highlighted the issue. Doncaster did not do much but for a spell just before half time when they were lumping balls into our box, no real danger but every time we cleared the ball we had no midfield as the 2 were back defending all the ball was just being churned back. We never really have similar spells as we are always a body short to chase the ball. We win so little ‘scrappy’ ball. Today SS said we went with 3 strikers but they simply did not combine. With 2 in midfield and Forss covering on the right our defensive line up on the right was Forss and Tutu. On the bench today we had Sheehan , Morley and Dempsey. With EE and Simons starting. All 5 are decent enough at least for this level. Sticking 3 of them on the bench whilst the front players are suffering from a lack of service is baffling. The combination can be mixed but Simons or Morley to the right with EE or Dempsey to the left of the three and Sheehan in the middle would work. This still leaves 3 more forward players. At the moment in away games we have 4 players on the pitch who are contributing fuck all, but it is hardly their fault. Dalby won more long high balls today than any other forward all season but there was no one near him. With 2 in midfield you are not getting anyone able to make the run to get up alongside or beyond the front two (or three or four). Our possession stats hide the issue as so much possession is along the back line. I would love to know many times are front four touched the ball in first half. If anyone thinks I am wrong look at the table we are 6 points ahead of Mansfield. @gonzo if you could forward my application I would be grateful. (They do not do CRB checks do they ?) Edited January 1 by Ani Quote
RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted January 1 Posted January 1 11 minutes ago, frank_spencer said: He played striker the other day and looked lost as fuck. For me he's looked best as foil to a proper number 9 when Burstow was playing well. Its reached the point where I'm wondering if Vic or Big Dave can do any better than Dalby or current Burstow. certainly very little scope for being any worse I honestly think that Vic is the best CF we have at the moment, at least defenders know they will have a physical battle. Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted January 1 Posted January 1 20 minutes ago, Zico said: also see the goals v Wigan and Huddersfield away Wigan, he gets the ball, runs at the defence and takes it forward, uses his feet well to make a chance for himself and score Huddersfield, gets the ball, uses feet well, gets if forward and puts in a great pass to ACD to score other things to note in those games leading to goals, crosses and passes from wide into the box - first two v wigan and 1 v huddersfield, with JDC involved also just not happening at the moment Sometimes, when its not going for you its about just grafting, putting yourself about, pressing and knocking a few defenders about. It gets the crowd onside, gets them to give you some energy to do more and maybe force a mistake that gets you that goal you need. Today, I thought his body language wasn't great, didn't really get himself involved, looked frustrated and down in the dumps, in an off-it Rashford sort of way. Things will turn for him, he's a talented lad. but he can help himself make it sooner rather than later. I do also still think we lack characters on the pitch who'll keep geeing lads up who are struggling, giving them an arm round the shoulder and a pat on the back. Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 minute ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: I honestly think that Vic is the best CF we have at the moment, at least defenders know they will have a physical battle. Vic is limited but knows how to play in a two, none of those today looked like they had any idea Quote
Eddie Posted January 1 Posted January 1 It was garbage. Line up was wrong, set up was wrong and you could tell as always from the first 5 minutes that the attitude was wrong. Slow, ponderous, overly safe, back foot shite. When we didn’t get results earlier in the season we actually looked like a really good team that just needed a bit of luck. We’ve now gone so far backwards that we look an awful team that got a lot of luck. Our constant desire to play safe (because confidence looks shot) means we’ve lost any patterns of play, we can’t keep pressure on teams and pen them in their own 3rd, we are reluctant to just recycle it back into dangerous areas and ultimately just invite pressure on ourselves which results in our full back setting it for the centre back who launches it either out of play or to the carthorse up top who loses it and the pressure is back on us. I don’t know how he changes it because it was wrong all over the pitch today. I do think it’s a confidence thing because we’ve seen that most of these players can be better than they’re showing (other than Dalby), but he needs to help himself by picking his best 11 and sticking to it and preferably getting a striker in sharpish who has a record of actually scoring somewhere other than a semi pro league. Goals breed confidence and the rest of the team and performances will hopefully follow. If we carry on like that then we’ll miss the play offs again, we just looked like a really really poor team. Quote
medwaywhite Posted January 1 Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: I honestly think that Vic is the best CF we have at the moment, at least defenders know they will have a physical battle. Fucking hell we are in trouble if that’s the case Quote
Farnywhite Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) 11 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: I honestly think that Vic is the best CF we have at the moment, at least defenders know they will have a physical battle. If our best centre forward is one that’s not played for nearly a year and couldn’t hit a barn door . Things are at a all time low Edited January 1 by Farnywhite Quote
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