Ani Posted January 1 Posted January 1 10 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: I honestly think that Vic is the best CF we have at the moment, at least defenders know they will have a physical battle. If is amazing what 9 months out injured can do for a players ability in the minds of our fans. Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted January 1 Posted January 1 12 minutes ago, Eddie said: Our constant desire to play safe (because confidence looks shot) means we’ve lost any patterns of play, we can’t keep pressure on teams and pen them in their own 3rd, That started from the first five minutes, when we had a throw at the edge of their box, an easy crossing opportunity, shunned it and ended up back with Johnston. It set a tone that continued and allowed the malaise to grow Quote
Farnywhite Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Vic has not even appeared in B team game yet had no pre season will be coming into the season cold and not up to speed after a bad injury . I think if we ever see him there is more chance that he will probably be worse than previously than better Quote
frank_spencer Posted January 1 Posted January 1 10 minutes ago, Ani said: If is amazing what 9 months out injured can do for a players ability in the minds of our fans. Given the output of our fit forwards the bar is currently so low that old and fat John McGinlay would be our best option Quote
RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted January 1 Posted January 1 21 minutes ago, medwaywhite said: Fucking hell we are in trouble if that’s the case Unfortunately it is Quote
RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Ani said: If is amazing what 9 months out injured can do for a players ability in the minds of our fans. He couldnt possibly be more ineffective than Dalby, Burstow looks shot and Forrs runs about a bit.......its not a very high bar. Edited January 1 by RONNIE PHILLIPS Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted January 1 Posted January 1 56 minutes ago, Eddie said: When we didn’t get results earlier in the season we actually looked like a really good team that just needed a bit of luck. We’ve now gone so far backwards that we look an awful team that got a lot of luck I'm sure time is a great healer, but when was that? (away from home). No keeper has had to have a good game against us have they? Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted January 1 Posted January 1 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Ani said: If is amazing what 9 months out injured can do for a players ability in the minds of our fans. Vic makes Collins and McAtee look physical. And his 2nd touch would either be a header or a tackle if he could win one. Edited January 1 by Johnnyrotten Quote
Cheese Posted January 1 Posted January 1 17 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: I'm sure time is a great healer, but when was that? (away from home). No keeper has had to have a good game against us have they? We've played well away from home all season - despite the results. Today was probably the first time we've played shit, and we came away with a draw. Quote
RUREADY2ROLL Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 minute ago, Cheese said: We've played well away from home all season - despite the results. Today was probably the first time we've played shit, and we came away with a draw. We were shit at Northampton and Burton as well Quote
marple whites Posted January 1 Posted January 1 Crap from start to finish. no ifs, no buts, no excuses. last few weeks have been a shambles, but that just put the tin hat on it. see you in league 1 next season …….. Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted January 1 Posted January 1 11 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: Vic makes Collins and McAtee look physical. And his 2nd touch would either be a header or a tackle if he could win one. The easy option for Vic would be to be happy to go out on loan till May and quietly restore his fitness and form. It'd show strength of character to say 'no thanks, I'll fight for my place and show what I can do for my club', especially how things went for him just before his injury. Going back to a previous post, he was struggling for sure, as many others were too, but he was subjected to some horrendous treatment from our fans, of the sort that crept in with Randall last week. If he does come back we could do with giving him a chance. I know he's got his limitations but he's scored more L1 goals in half a season than any of our other forwards currently look like getting in a full one. He can also play in a two or out wide in a 3. He could have some use. Quote
Popular Post Leyther_Matt Posted January 1 Popular Post Posted January 1 4 minutes ago, Cheese said: We've played well away from home all season - despite the results. Today was probably the first time we've played shit, and we came away with a draw. That just isn’t even the tiniest bit true, unfortunately. Quote
Cheese Posted January 1 Posted January 1 1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said: That just isn’t even the tiniest bit true, unfortunately. It is, both statistically and in my opinion having watched the games. We're just not clinical enough in front of goal, but apart from today we've created more than enough chances to win them. Which is obviously a massive problem, but we haven't played shit. Quote
Popular Post Leyther_Matt Posted January 1 Popular Post Posted January 1 10 minutes ago, Cheese said: It is, both statistically and in my opinion having watched the games. We're just not clinical enough in front of goal, but apart from today we've created more than enough chances to win them. Which is obviously a massive problem, but we haven't played shit. Cheese. I’ve missed one away game all season (Northampton), and by all accounts that was one of the worst. Burton was a disgrace. Swindon only falls second to that because it wasn’t in the league. Wycombe a shocker. Saved a point at Orient by a 94th minute piece of genius out of nowhere. Great for 70 minutes at Luton then folded and thankfully they ran out of time. Even of the wins, Mansfield was a labour against 10 men. Huddersfield great for the last 10 minutes but even there we were second best for large chunks. Luton aside and maybe the second half at Huddersfield, it’s hard to pick out even 45 minutes away from home where we’ve done well. To argue otherwise is just utter nonsense. Sorry. Quote
Cheese Posted January 1 Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: Cheese. I’ve missed one away game all season (Northampton), and by all accounts that was one of the worst. Burton was a disgrace. Swindon only falls second to that because it wasn’t in the league. Wycombe a shocker. Saved a point at Orient by a 94th minute piece of genius out of nowhere. Great for 70 minutes at Luton then folded and thankfully they ran out of time. Even of the wins, Mansfield was a labour against 10 men. Huddersfield great for the last 10 minutes but even there we were second best for large chunks. Luton aside and maybe the second half at Huddersfield, it’s hard to pick out even 45 minutes away from home where we’ve done well. To argue otherwise is just utter nonsense. Sorry. No need to apologise for opinions. Although mine is also backed up by statistics. Today was the worst away performance I've seen so far, and we got a point. 🤷♂️ Quote
Wanderlust Posted January 2 Posted January 2 28 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: Cheese. I’ve missed one away game all season (Northampton), and by all accounts that was one of the worst. Burton was a disgrace. Swindon only falls second to that because it wasn’t in the league. Wycombe a shocker. Saved a point at Orient by a 94th minute piece of genius out of nowhere. Great for 70 minutes at Luton then folded and thankfully they ran out of time. Even of the wins, Mansfield was a labour against 10 men. Huddersfield great for the last 10 minutes but even there we were second best for large chunks. Luton aside and maybe the second half at Huddersfield, it’s hard to pick out even 45 minutes away from home where we’ve done well. To argue otherwise is just utter nonsense. Sorry. A lot of folk saying we should be winning against the likes of Doncaster because they are a shit team in a shit league. But what does that make us? - given the performances you mention above and others throughout the season. I know league 1 isn’t the greatest standard but there is very little between the teams this season so why should we expect to win when our team is clearly not head and shoulders above the others? Quote
Tombwfc Posted January 2 Posted January 2 3 hours ago, ianofcleveleys said: I was thinking similar just now. I got a sense (admittedly off the telly) that it was getting a bit toxic today. This time last year we threw in a similar stinker at Mansfield, followed by a worse one at Rotherham, it turned very nasty and Evatt was a goner. The last thing that's needed is for it to start getting that toxic again, especially at home, and adverserial between SS and the fans. Randall and Murphy walked into a shitstorm last Jan, the atmosphere did neither of them any good and, in Murphy's case, was probably an experience he'd sooner forget. We have some young players who are all struggling at the same time, they need a bit of calm around them to help them re-find their mojo, as do any other loanees we might want to bring in during Jan. If its a bear pit we might start to find clubs thinking twice about sending us talent. It's reasonable there are some questions / concerns about where we're at, and reasonable that SS fronts up to them but there needs to be a bit of measurement on both sides, not the sort of battleground it became last season. There's no club of our size and expectation that wouldn't have had a disgruntled away end on a day like today. Luton have already sacked a manager this season and Huddersfield fans have been all over Grant. If you put a poll up on here tonight 90+% of people would still be backing SS, which is remarkable considering how mediocre his results have been and the fact we've spent years in this interminable division. I think 99% of managers would scoff at the idea we are a difficult club to manage - just win games with better players, massively increased resources and a fanbase selling out away ends up and down the country cheering the team on (apparently a big factor when teams play us at the Reebok). Quote
RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted January 2 Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Cheese said: No need to apologise for opinions. Although mine is also backed up by statistics. Today was the worst away performance I've seen so far, and we got a point. 🤷♂️ Statistics can be deceptive.......there is no glossing over the fact that our away form is poor at best. We generally huff and puff to no great effect.....we had about 70% of the possession in the first half and barely got inside their penalty area and we are flakey as fuck under any sort of pressure at the back. Hopefully SS can solve the conundrum but if he doesnt we are a playoff team at best this season. Quote
RUREADY2ROLL Posted January 2 Posted January 2 The other thing of note today is Tutu is not good at defending so we need a RB. Tutu is a good winger like Gale and ACD and can back them two - Sissoko needs returning Quote
boltonboris Posted January 2 Posted January 2 Glad we got out of there with a point, but Jesus that was messy, disjointed, scrappy.. We conceded way too many big chances and hardly created a thing. It was a bit concerning Quote
boltonboris Posted January 2 Posted January 2 4 hours ago, RUREADY2ROLL said: The other thing of note today is Tutu is not good at defending so we need a RB. Tutu is a good winger like Gale and ACD and can back them two - Sissoko needs returning I thought Tutu was the best defender we had today. Only one to commit to tackles and made a couple of important blocks. He was quite aggressive, especially in the first half. But I would agree that a top RB if there’s one available should be secured Quote
only1swanny Posted January 2 Posted January 2 7 hours ago, RUREADY2ROLL said: The other thing of note today is Tutu is not good at defending so we need a RB. Tutu is a good winger like Gale and ACD and can back them two - Sissoko needs returning He puts in a cracking slide tackle once a game though and so people love it. He also gets knocked off the ball by a slight breeze. Assuming Cogley is injured, and Christie has been having a mare, who else do you plonk back there? Quote
Wanderlust Posted January 2 Posted January 2 2 minutes ago, only1swanny said: Assuming Cogley is injured, and Christie has been having a mare, who else do you plonk back there? And yet Christie was MOTM contender a few games ago. Consistency is a huge problem for most players in our squad and it must be a nightmare for the manager to select a team not knowing who is going to turn up on the day. Quote
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