birch-chorley Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 A balanced review at last, how did Megson have so many friends in the media given the stick the fans are getting from most Journo's... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...ers/8435574.stm Best and most accurate piece that has been done yet.
HomerJay Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Why have they suspended the betting? Who are they saying has got it? Jewell? suspended were? jewell's not even fav on betfair (the only 'bookies' worth taking note of)
messer122 Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Best and most accurate piece that has been done yet. I agree, very even-handed
mr_disco Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) The first Bolton game I saw was away to Wrexham when we won promotion from Division 4 to Division 3 in 1987. Now, as a 30 year old, I see it as an opportunity to reflect on what has slipped in between. As an eight year old in that stand away at the Racehorse Ground I was pushed, throttled and mauled by several hundred drunken men, that seem like old sages to me now, who were as glad of that goal as anything, it felt, humanly possible. The same goal today would seem like a relatively happy ending to an awful nightmare. Now at the same age as those drunken Boltonians so desperate to see their team climb out of the bottom tier of English league football; I'm a man I am desperately keen to see my team crawl out of the relegation zone of the top tier. Bolton Wanderers are a football club. In the same way that Benidorm is a holiday resort or trainers are an item of footwear. If you like Bolton Wanderers, holidays in the sun where you can drink draught bitter or comfy footwear, good for you. The thing is, all those things (for most of us) were there before you were born and they will be there after you die. All you can do is vote with your feet (literally in the case of trainers). If you decide you suddenly don't find Benidorm an attractive holiday destination or trainers don't suit your current dress sense. Stop doing it. My point, before you ask, is that the modern world is based simply on figures. If you don't like the game, stop showing up. That would have been a much easier way to get rid of Gary Megson. As opposed to showing up with a bed sheet. If you think otherwise and are convinced that your attendance in negativity's clothes would somehow serve to allow progress to the club, then your understanding of capitalism is much less than yours of football. Don't get me wrong, I am happy that Gary Megson has been sacked, he wasn't right for the job. But, I honestly do believe that if the Bolton fans who were there in 1987, and more importantly their offspring, were allowed to afford to attend games today then we wouldn't be in this mess. But they, and we, are not. Football, whether we like it or not, has degenerated into a bitter business, and bears little resemblance to the game we once loved. Gary Megson?s decisions ahead of the game away in Lisbon were not his, were not Gartside's, were not ours. They were the underlying economics of modern football. That depresses me, but it's reality. We cannot afford to compete in this league, along with 14 other clubs. My ultimate point is that the cancer of points before play has riddled the brains of every team, manager and fan in the land. Only the very best teams can afford to play football today. Today's game is based on strength, pace and ultimately athletic ability. That comes at a huge price in the most lucrative league in the world. Gary Megson's sacking came to me as a relief. At first one based on the hope that we might, once again, achieve something like the heyday of the Rioch/Allardyce days. But, after the contemplation of who might actually succeed Megson, that hope was crushed with a sense of what the modern game of football has, sadly, become. And that is why I shall be off to bed now, dreaming of a balding David Lee sprinting down the right wing, crossing for an awaiting fat John McGinlay. Edited December 31, 2009 by mr_disco
Traf Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) Great post. And that fat McGinlay bloke was the dog's bollocks, wasn't he? Edited December 31, 2009 by Traf
no balls Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 I agree, except he wasn't fat, he was big boned!
Traf Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Tubby? Portly? Big-boned? It matters not, because he was a goalscoring hero. A man's man, with a bit of an edge too.
frank_spencer Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Tubby?Portly? Big-boned? It matters not, because he was a goalscoring hero. A man's man, with a bit of an edge too. As i said on the best #'s threads any player from that era will always be viewed through my finest pair of rose tinted specs. No ammount of rose tinting will ever make the likes of Zat Knight, Riga, Cid seem good even decent players like Taylor and nolan will never be as 'amazing' as McGinlay, Lee, Jiminho etc
no balls Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 (edited) As i said on the best #'s threads any player from that era will always be viewed through my finest pair of rose tinted specs. No ammount of rose tinting will ever make the likes of Zat Knight, Riga, Cid seem good even decent players like Taylor and nolan will never be as 'amazing' as McGinlay, Lee, Jiminho etc If you mean legendary status & cult hero, I honestly think it's difficult to compare as football has changed so much in the last 12-15 or so years. Edited December 31, 2009 by no balls
mr_disco Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 aye good post. but ben dorm, wtf? sorted now...
frank_spencer Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 If you mean legendary status & cult hero, I honestly think it's difficult to compare as football has changed so much in the last 12-15 or so years. Exackerly. Even fan favourites like Davies, Dioufy etc will never reach the same levels in my eyes. Anelka or Mixu? and it's Mixu every time, Elk vs Moose and the moose wins it hands down.
Traf Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 It's like this. McGinlay bust his bollocks every week for us, invariably grabbed a goal as well. Always got stuck in for the cause (a wee push!) and then he'd turn out on the lash in town. No airs and graces: no arsey prima donna attitudes; just a regular bloke who knew he was lucky to have the job he loved.
frank_spencer Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 It's like this. McGinlay bust his bollocks every week for us, invariably grabbed a goal as well. Always got stuck in for the cause (a wee push!) and then he'd turn out on the lash in town. No airs and graces: no arsey prima donna attitudes; just a regular bloke who knew he was lucky to have the job he loved. Even Sasa and his soft top beemer are more legendary than anyone you'll probably get again in football.
Alf Hartigan Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 The first Bolton game I saw was away to Wrexham when we won promotion from Division 4 to Division 3 in 1987. Now, as a 30 year old, I see it as an opportunity to reflect on what has slipped in between. As an eight year old in that stand away at the Racehorse Ground I was pushed, throttled and mauled by several hundred drunken men, that seem like old sages to me now, who were as glad of that goal as anything, it felt, humanly possible. The same goal today would seem like a relatively happy ending to an awful nightmare. Now at the same age as those drunken Boltonians so desperate to see their team climb out of the bottom tier of English league football; I'm a man I am desperately keen to see my team crawl out of the relegation zone of the top tier. Bolton Wanderers are a football club. In the same way that Benidorm is a holiday resort or trainers are an item of footwear. If you like Bolton Wanderers, holidays in the sun where you can drink draught bitter or comfy footwear, good for you. The thing is, all those things (for most of us) were there before you were born and they will be there after you die. All you can do is vote with your feet (literally in the case of trainers). If you decide you suddenly don't find Benidorm an attractive holiday destination or trainers don't suit your current dress sense. Stop doing it. My point, before you ask, is that the modern world is based simply on figures. If you don't like the game, stop showing up. That would have been a much easier way to get rid of Gary Megson. As opposed to showing up with a bed sheet. If you think otherwise and are convinced that your attendance in negativity's clothes would somehow serve to allow progress to the club, then your understanding of capitalism is much less than yours of football. Don't get me wrong, I am happy that Gary Megson has been sacked, he wasn't right for the job. But, I honestly do believe that if the Bolton fans who were there in 1987, and more importantly their offspring, were allowed to afford to attend games today then we wouldn't be in this mess. But they, and we, are not. Football, whether we like it or not, has degenerated into a bitter business, and bears little resemblance to the game we once loved. Gary Megson's decisions ahead of the game away in Lisbon were not his, were not Gartside's, were not ours. They were the underlying economics of modern football. That depresses me, but it's reality. We cannot afford to compete in this league, along with 14 other clubs. My ultimate point is that the cancer of points before play has riddled the brains of every team, manager and fan in the land. Only the very best teams can afford to play football today. Today's game is based on strength, pace and ultimately athletic ability. That comes at a huge price in the most lucrative league in the world. Gary Megson's sacking came to me as a relief. At first one based on the hope that we might, once again, achieve something like the heyday of the Rioch/Allardyce days. But, after the contemplation of who might actually succeed Megson, that hope was crushed with a sense of what the modern game of football has, sadly, become. And that is why I shall be off to bed now, dreaming of a balding David Lee sprinting down the right wing, crossing for an awaiting fat John McGinlay. That was indeed, a good post. Did wonder where it was going at first though
SatanGreavsie Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 I was pushed, throttled and mauled by several hundred drunken men, That's a girl's night out for NB and Sue
DeaneWhite Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 I don't know the ins and outs of what has been said in the boardroom, but I'd hazard a guess that Megson's departure had more to do with Eddie Davies than Phil Gartside. I would further suggest that Megson would have gone a long time ago if the owner had pressured the chairman earlier. Something tells me that Gartside is now Chairman in name only and any more howlers from him would see his cushy little job at the FA go for a burton when he finally gets the push. The only reason I hope Gartside is with us for a while longer is that it would mean he has made a decent managerial appointment for once. Though given his last two appointments, I fear there will be some major changes at the very top of the club come the Summer.
Carlos Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 I don't know the ins and outs of what has been said in the boardroom, but I'd hazard a guess that Megson's departure had more to do with Eddie Davies than Phil Gartside. I would further suggest that Megson would have gone a long time ago if the owner had pressured the chairman earlier. Something tells me that Gartside is now Chairman in name only and any more howlers from him would see his cushy little job at the FA go for a burton when he finally gets the push. The only reason I hope Gartside is with us for a while longer is that it would mean he has made a decent managerial appointment for once. Though given his last two appointments, I fear there will be some major changes at the very top of the club come the Summer. Of course, Davies owns the clubl, he is Gartside's boss, nothing has changed there has it?
Breightmet Boy Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Boss has just been in and told me theres a press conference this morning at The Reebok early doors, any news yet? Limited internet access at work
Take Hunt Off Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Good piece from a fat cockney...................whatever next ? good post from Mr Disco as well . I'm pretty relieved Megson has gone but tempered by the dark thought that Garside might just bring in someone WORSE ie messrs Jewel/Hoddle/O'leary/ he's got to get this one right or we're all doomed captain Mainwaring(reletively speaking). It was the worst barracking of a manager I have ever witnessed the other night , the stick Ian Greaves got was embarrassing but real Vitriol on a big scale , the silent ones being unable & unwilling to stop it . If Megson had brought on Elmander insted of McCann would the reaction have been as massive & would Megson still be in a job ?
Guest Frandsen08 Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Boss has just been in and told me theres a press conference this morning at The Reebok early doors, any news yet? Limited internet access at work none at the moment
no balls Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 none at the moment Press conference was just Chris Evans saying what's happening at the moment & no him & Wigley aren't having the job. Quite boring really.
HomerJay Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Good piece from a fat cockney...................whatever next ? good post from Mr Disco as well . I'm pretty relieved Megson has gone but tempered by the dark thought that Garside might just bring in someone WORSE ie messrs Jewel/Hoddle/O'leary/ he's got to get this one right or we're all doomed captain Mainwaring(reletively speaking). It was the worst barracking of a manager I have ever witnessed the other night , the stick Ian Greaves got was embarrassing but real Vitriol on a big scale , the silent ones being unable & unwilling to stop it . If Megson had brought on Elmander insted of McCann would the reaction have been as massive & would Megson still be in a job ? we would have lost the game imo, so no.
superjohnmcginlay Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 Jewell and Reid still faves on Betfair with Ferguson and Zenga the next best placed candidates, I dont know too much about Zenga is he not a good option?
desert Posted December 31, 2009 Posted December 31, 2009 John McGinlay - legend! Striker, goalie, hero! Btw, I am not suggesting him for manager - just remeniscing!
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