Cheese Posted April 7 Posted April 7 1 minute ago, Marc505 said: How sad it is that this isn't the number one story and being given blanket 24/7 coverage. Its an incredible and inspiring achievement and one you'd hope would be being shown as a testament to human accomplishment. When they return and visit the WH, I wonder if Trump will lean into that, or whether he'll just use it as something to attack Biden or Harris or whoever else with. He spoke to them directly earlier. It was as embarrassing and rambling as you'd expect. Β Quote
Spider Posted April 7 Posted April 7 46 minutes ago, Nowack said: Its very very old and the lacks an atmosphere, water and a molten core so you don't get erosion or plates moving which change the landscape.Β Bolty will put you on ignore for talking about him like that. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 7 Posted April 7 3 hours ago, Spider said: Superb pics them AI generated. No one has ever been, and isn't nearby now.Β You've been led up the garden path remember! Quote
Traf Posted April 7 Posted April 7 4 hours ago, Nowack said: Its very very old and the lacks an atmosphere Gigg Lane? Quote
Zico Posted April 8 Posted April 8 for those wondering, this should give some idea of why we've not attempted a 3 year round trip to Mars just yet Β Β Β Quote
ZiggyStardust Posted April 8 Posted April 8 9 hours ago, Zico said: for those wondering, this should give some idea of why we've not attempted a 3 year round trip to Mars just yet Β Β Β That looks bigger than some new builds going up round our way. Quote
Underpants Posted April 9 Posted April 9 On 08/04/2026 at 02:32, Zico said: for those wondering, this should give some idea of why we've not attempted a 3 year round trip to Mars just yet Β Β Β Built for the size of the mission. You wouldn't go across the Thames on a Cunard liner. Quote
Spider Posted April 9 Posted April 9 Are they back yet or are we leaving them up there now theyβve done the exciting part? Quote
Zico Posted April 9 Posted April 9 7 hours ago, Underpants said: Built for the size of the mission. You wouldn't go across the Thames on a Cunard liner. Aye, they'd need to build something that could house them for a 3 year mission to Mars including somewhere to keep all the supplies like food and water, it would be massive, and incredibly expensiveΒ Which is why we sent a robot instead There's talk of space x sending AI robots out there to start building something where humans might be able to live To basically see if its possible and to test everything out before risking sending humans up there Sounds like a sensible approach and something that has never been technically possible until nowΒ Β Quote
Winchester White Posted April 9 Posted April 9 1 minute ago, Zico said: Aye, they'd need to build something that could house them for a 3 year mission to Mars including somewhere to keep all the supplies like food and water, it would be massive, and incredibly expensiveΒ Which is why we sent a robot instead There's talk of space x sending AI robots out there to start building something where humans might be able to live To basically see if its possible and to test everything out before risking sending humans up there Sounds like a sensible approach and something that has never been technically possible until nowΒ Β It is an incredibly simple premise really. You get to the technological stage where sending human beings is unnecessary as it is cheaper, safer and more scientifically accurate to send robots. Why the fuck idiots start to make themselves look as thick as mince trying to "suggest" that the US didn't land on the moon is for them to deal with. The rest of planet Earth (an almost sphere btw) can just laugh and take the piss out of them. Quote
Cheese Posted April 9 Posted April 9 2 hours ago, Spider said: Are they back yet or are we leaving them up there now theyβve done the exciting part? Splash down tomorrow night, about 1 in the morning our time. Quote
Underpants Posted April 9 Posted April 9 29 minutes ago, Zico said: Aye, they'd need to build something that could house them for a 3 year mission to Mars including somewhere to keep all the supplies like food and water, it would be massive, and incredibly expensiveΒ Which is why we sent a robot instead There's talk of space x sending AI robots out there to start building something where humans might be able to live To basically see if its possible and to test everything out before risking sending humans up there Sounds like a sensible approach and something that has never been technically possible until nowΒ Β Β 57 years on you would have thought that Artemis II would have got to the moon quicker than when Armstrong and his gang went. Some might say we've gone backwards with manned explosion. Quote
Zico Posted April 9 Posted April 9 25 minutes ago, Underpants said: Β 57 years on you would have thought that Artemis II would have got to the moon quicker than when Armstrong and his gang went. Some might say we've gone backwards with manned explosion. Progress isn't measured in distance, itβs measured in capability. We didn't 'stop' at the Moon, we realized that sending a human to Mars is just a very expensive way to let people hang around round a desert collecting rocks and dust Why send humans on a 140 million mile 3 year trip, to do a job a rover can do for 1% of the cost and 0% of the deaths?Β That's not going backwards, that's called intelligence Quote
Underpants Posted April 9 Posted April 9 1 minute ago, Zico said: Progress isn't measured in distance, itβs measured in capability. We didn't 'stop' at the Moon, we realized that sending a human to Mars is just a very expensive way to let people hang around round a desert collecting rocks and dust Why send humans on a 140 million mile 3 year trip, to do a job a rover can do for 1% of the cost and 0% of the deaths?Β That's not going backwards, that's called intelligence Utter bollox. Distance is one of the components you measure progress in. As is speed. WithΒ every mode of transport this has been the case. fuck me in 60 years we went from not being able to fly to putting a man on the moon (allegedly). In the 50 years since we've been back once and it was slower.Β Quote
Zico Posted April 9 Posted April 9 1 minute ago, Underpants said: Utter bollox. Distance is one of the components you measure progress in. As is speed. WithΒ every mode of transport this has been the case. fuck me in 60 years we went from not being able to fly to putting a man on the moon (allegedly). In the 50 years since we've been back once and it was slower.Β apollo was a cold war race where one thing and one thing only matter, getting there as quickly as possible artemis was much more controlled, and had other considerations regards human safety and how we should do this kind of thing moving forward, it spent a day in high earth orbitΒ just hanging around before proceeding, all part of the plan they also used a more fuel efficient method which used the moons gravity over engines to fire it back home, all part of the plan your criteria for progress being "faster and further" is way too simplistic, and really does appear it comes from watching star trek or something Β Β Quote
only1swanny Posted April 9 Posted April 9 2 minutes ago, Zico said: apollo was a cold war race where one thing and one thing only matter, getting there as quickly as possible artemis was much more controlled, and had other considerations regards human safety and how we should do this kind of thing moving forward, it spent a day in high earth orbitΒ just hanging around before proceeding, all part of the plan they also used a more fuel efficient method which used the moons gravity over engines to fire it back home, all part of the plan your criteria for progress being "faster and further" is way too simplistic, and really does appear it comes from watching star trek or something Β Β Driving to Blackpool used to take us 45 mins when we were kids.. it still takes me 45 mins 35 years later.. Difference being it's much comfier, safer and uses less fuel..Β Β Quote
Cheese Posted April 9 Posted April 9 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Underpants said: Utter bollox. Distance is one of the components you measure progress in. As is speed. WithΒ every mode of transport this has been the case. fuck me in 60 years we went from not being able to fly to putting a man on the moon (allegedly). In the 50 years since we've been back once and it was slower.Β The Artemis II astronauts travelled further away from Earth than any of the Apollo mission astronauts, so you've just disproved your own argument. We haven't "only been back once" either. 12 humans have walked on the moon, over 6 different missions. Edited April 9 by Cheese Quote
Underpants Posted April 9 Posted April 9 7 minutes ago, Zico said: apollo was a cold war race where one thing and one thing only matter, getting there as quickly as possible artemis was much more controlled, and had other considerations regards human safety and how we should do this kind of thing moving forward, it spent a day in high earth orbitΒ just hanging around before proceeding, all part of the plan they also used a more fuel efficient method which used the moons gravity over engines to fire it back home, all part of the plan your criteria for progress being "faster and further" is way too simplistic, and really does appear it comes from watching star trek or something Β Β I can only go off what you wrote. You said progress isn't measured in distance. I said it is one of theΒ components in measuring progress. And are you seriously telling me that the extra horse power in the apollo missiond back in the 60s was because of the Soviets?Β It was a space race but it wasn't one were a few extra MPH would have made a difference. Anyway at least we went slower back to the moon in a slightly bigger and nicer boat. Might have to wait another 50 years before we set foot on the moon, or anywhere else for that matter, again. That's progress for ya! Quote
Zico Posted April 9 Posted April 9 24 minutes ago, Underpants said: I can only go off what you wrote. You said progress isn't measured in distance. I said it is one of theΒ components in measuring progress. And are you seriously telling me that the extra horse power in the apollo missiond back in the 60s was because of the Soviets?Β It was a space race but it wasn't one were a few extra MPH would have made a difference. Anyway at least we went slower back to the moon in a slightly bigger and nicer boat. Might have to wait another 50 years before we set foot on the moon, or anywhere else for that matter, again. That's progress for ya! You missed the point I uwas makingk7m Yours was that Apollo was faster as though mph was a measure of it's successΒ Mine was they didn't care as much for things like fuel efficiency like we do nowΒ The mission wasn't slower as such, it was more thought out and considered, it was miles more sophisticated than anything that has come before And it went further than any human has been before Progress is being made all the time, it's just not always measured in distance, speed or captain's logsΒ Here's the planΒ Β Β Quote
Underpants Posted April 10 Posted April 10 6 hours ago, Zico said: You missed the point I uwas makingk7m Yours was that Apollo was faster as though mph was a measure of it's successΒ Mine was they didn't care as much for things like fuel efficiency like we do nowΒ The mission wasn't slower as such, it was more thought out and considered, it was miles more sophisticated than anything that has come before And it went further than any human has been before Progress is being made all the time, it's just not always measured in distance, speed or captain's logsΒ Here's the planΒ Β Β You wouldn't make a good defence solicitor. You've told me things and supplied me with information that Im aware of. Thanks. But you have slightly changed your tune with your progress calculator. There are plenty of ways we measure progress. I get that. But none of us are rocket scientist or rocket engineers. I'm sure if these guys were in this conversation they would bore us all to death with the heat sensor light for the Artemis 2Β toilet. But the big glaring lack of advancement to Mr. Joe Average on planet earth is that it took longer to get there. That is a fact. Ages ago on here I was asked what I would like to see with regard manned space travel? I said going to other ther side of the moon would be a start. That has just happened. Even taking into account all the advancements in tech. I find it odd that it was a slower drive. Maybe because of the price of fuel they had to put it on cruise control because of the cost π€ Quote
Underpants Posted April 10 Posted April 10 7 hours ago, only1swanny said: Driving to Blackpool used to take us 45 mins when we were kids.. it still takes me 45 mins 35 years later.. Difference being it's much comfier, safer and uses less fuel..Β Β The reason it takes the same time is that we have speed limits to obey and the roads are packed with folk doing the same. But we can get to Blackpool quicker if we want. As far as I know there's not a million other people going to the moon and there's no coppers or speed limit in space. Quote
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