whoareya? Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 (edited) I wouldn't normally lower myself to answer any of your dull shite... But mounts has been following Bolton since before you were born judging by the shite you post...and has probably forgotten more than you could even store in that empty head...his optimism during the previous managers was well documented so negativity ain't his thing....for him to have written off the current manager...well the guy must be fucking wank.... You sat in the good old U S of A.....and voicing your opinions, hold as much credence as diddles sat in his bedroom... Don't stoop, Snoops. Edited December 29, 2013 by whoareya? Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 (edited) Just back.......& as expected we got murdered down the wings. TBF Baptiste & Ream are makeshift full backs & Leicester have good wingers, but apart from the problems at full back, we matched Leicester in the 1st half & probably deserved to be ahead until their flukey equalizer. 2nd half , Leicester edged it as the problems on the wings continued, but we were in this game right to the end. A cracking match & a good performance.....it would have been interesting if we'd had Tierney & McNaughton available !!! Thanks to you and those others who went for their reports, the insight that counts when everybody's chewing the fat on here. To go away to Leicester and score 3 has got to be a positive though why has DF waited till this game to decide to go toe-to-toe with the opposition and score more goals than them, when we've had to endure watching us play it safe and cagey at home every week. I'm pretty sure the 'we'll score more than you' approach would have borne fruit against the likes of Yeovil and Sheff Wed? Edited December 29, 2013 by ianofrochdale Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 Thanks to you and those others who went for their reports, the insight that counts when everybody's chewing the fat on here. To go away to Leicester and score 3 has got to be a positive though why has DF waited till this game to decide to go toe-to-toe with the opposition and score more goals than them, when we've had to endure watching us play it safe and cagey at home every week. I'm pretty sure the 'we'll score more than you' approach would have borne fruit against the likes of Yeovil and Sheff Wed? Very good point Ian it beggars belief and could it have something to do with pressure from above? Quote
1969 Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 Or it could be he thought we've no chance of keeping clean sheet Quote
ianofcleveleys Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 Very good point Ian it beggars belief and could it have something to do with pressure from above? Or it could be he thought we've no chance of keeping clean sheet Could be either, and I could see why he may have thought 'makeshift defence, sod it, may as well chance nicking a high scoring draw than losing two or three nil'. Was just a surprise given all we'd seen and heard from him up to now, even as recently as the Barnsley game. I'm sure he doesn't take a blind bit of notice of the likes of us and what we put on things like this, though I did notice he heard the boos at half time at Barnsley loud and clear Quote
EyesRight Posted December 29, 2013 Posted December 29, 2013 Just back.......& as expected we got murdered down the wings. TBF Baptiste & Ream are makeshift full backs & Leicester have good wingers, but apart from the problems at full back, we matched Leicester in the 1st half & probably deserved to be ahead until their flukey equalizer. 2nd half , Leicester edged it as the problems on the wings continued, but we were in this game right to the end. A cracking match & a good performance.....it would have been interesting if we'd had Tierney & McNaughton available !!! Exactly my thoughts. Quote
DomRepWanderer Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Exactly my thoughts. I know it's nit picking, but Dougie had to the end of November to get a recognised left back in on loan, yet chose to ignore that position, baffling because I think we would have more points on the board if he had, he will rectify that in January no doubt, get Mcnaughton back, a recognised left back, shift Baptiste into a central role, and get Ream in midfield( the Campo role) we will piss the second half of season, watch this space. Quote
Casino Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Exactly my thoughts. Pleased to hear that I really should remind myself that the suicide squad on here should be ignored Quote
EyesRight Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 I know it's nit picking, but Dougie had to the end of November to get a recognised left back in on loan, yet chose to ignore that position, baffling because I think we would have more points on the board if he had, he will rectify that in January no doubt, get Mcnaughton back, a recognised left back, shift Baptiste into a central role, and get Ream in midfield( the Campo role) we will piss the second half of season, watch this space. We have two LBs injured. Perhaps we can't afford another so it's square pegs, round holes until then. Quote
White Shirt Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 We have two LBs injured.Tierney and who else? Quote
DomRepWanderer Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 We have two LBs injured. Perhaps we can't afford another so it's square pegs, round holes until then. No we really do have one recognised left back, who sufferered an injury back in September, not counting youngsters who it could be deemed to soon to throw in, it should have been a priority, anyhoo if he goes down the road I mentioned previously, play offs is well on the cards, onwards and upwards and all that. Quote
EyesRight Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Tierney and who else? Kellet, who I expect would be in if fit. He was on the bench against Brighton IIRC. Two new full backs must be the priority in Jan though, funds permitting. Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 I know it's nit picking, but Dougie had to the end of November to get a recognised left back in on loan, yet chose to ignore that position, baffling because I think we would have more points on the board if he had, he will rectify that in January no doubt, get Mcnaughton back, a recognised left back, shift Baptiste into a central role, and get Ream in midfield( the Campo role) we will piss the second half of season, watch this space. 1) Baptiste has played left back in most (if not all) of our best performances. 2) Maybe he thought Tierney would be back and fit by now, so there was no need to panic buy/loan another left back who would sit unused once he was. 3) Why the fuck would you split our best centre back pairing to shove one of them in midfield and place a very average player in there over our club captain? Have you gone mental? 4) Not that any of this matters. Apparently you forget everything about "soccer" when you leave the UK. Quote
White Shirt Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 To be fair to Freedman, didn't he go for Lowry on loan deadline day? He knows where the problems lie He's struggling to address them due to finances Quote
snowball Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Baptiste has played left back in most if not all of our best performances? Really? Wigan away skinned. Leicester away skinned. Bottom of league got away with it. Charlton home unconvincing. Millwall bad team got away with it. He was also shite at full back in two of our worst away performances at Blackburn & Forest. I'm all for being positive but you are starting to abuse the privilege Snoopy. Plus until we actually beat a side in the top half of the table we have to keep looking down not up. Quote
DomRepWanderer Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 1) Baptiste has played left back in most (if not all) of our best performances. 2) Maybe he thought Tierney would be back and fit by now, so there was no need to panic buy/loan another left back who would sit unused once he was. 3) Why the fuck would you split our best centre back pairing to shove one of them in midfield and place a very average player in there over our club captain? Have you gone mental? 4) Not that any of this matters. Apparently you forget everything about "soccer" when you leave the UK. 1) he has been bummed by most wingers 2) he knew the length of Tierneys absence 3) Ream is possibly the best passer of the ball we have, makes sense, if big Sam had'nt switched Campo into midfield would we still consider Ivan a legend? 4) What is soccer? Quote
anewman Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Just nipped on to see how a 2 goal defeat against the top of the League had been received Fcuk me, its like we've lost by 8 Like spoiled kids some of you Goodnight Oh do fuck off We conceded 5 fuckin goals, does that not tell you anything? Quote
Wullie Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Just want to point out that in our fall from grace from 1979 to 1987 we had 6 managers in 7 years and in a period of semi stability culminating in allardyce we had 5 managers in 19 years...what I am trying to say is this, we keep changing managers quickly, we could slip down the leagues (we currently have had 4 managers in five years), and those of us who saw and followed us through the bad years, I for one would rather have at least another year in this league and give the guy time, than watch us go through the fall again...however you want to cut it, clubs that change managers in quick succession fail... I don't know if DF is the right man yet, but he does try and and have at least plan A, B, C and D, it doesn't always come off but he tries to adapt. So I am on the side of another year in charge, get rid of Knight, Mears, Eagles, CYL, Wheater, Sordell, Andrews and any other player whose contract is either up at the end of the season (yes this includes Holden if he cannot get fit), or we can get rid of on a free Quote
jules_darby Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 People have been asking for that for months! Jesus, what's wrong with people? They say "we're tired of sitting back, we should attack more". One game his plan is to attack more and suddenly it's "we should have kept it tighter". FFS. It's all about context Snoopy Top of the league away; DF had admitted he thinks they're vastly superior to most, is not the time for "We'll score more than you" How we'd been approaching away games would have surely been a better gameplan; ad for folk saying we fluked it at Barnsley - also see Watford etc too The frustrating is that we're not playing that way at home against teams where we'd have the superior firepower in theory and we'd score more We're halfway through the season now and 18th DF is still getting excused with the fact he has to mop up OC's shit 1) how long does this excuse last? 2) is he actually doing a good job of it? If so please tell the class why he is? What are the markers for such success? I'm all for stability But stability isn't keeping someone there who's not a good Manager. It's sticking with a good'un And DF just isn't cutting it IMO Blind faith is just that. Blind Quote
Ani Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Just want to point out that in our fall from grace from 1979 to 1987 we had 6 managers in 7 years and in a period of semi stability culminating in allardyce we had 5 managers in 19 years...what I am trying to say is this, we keep changing managers quickly, we could slip down the leagues (we currently have had 4 managers in five years), and those of us who saw and followed us through the bad years, I for one would rather have at least another year in this league and give the guy time, than watch us go through the fall again...however you want to cut it, clubs that change managers in quick succession fail... I don't know if DF is the right man yet, but he does try and and have at least plan A, B, C and D, it doesn't always come off but he tries to adapt. So I am on the side of another year in charge, get rid of Knight, Mears, Eagles, CYL, Wheater, Sordell, Andrews and any other player whose contract is either up at the end of the season (yes this includes Holden if he cannot get fit), or we can get rid of on a free We became stable because we had rioch and Sam who were successful managers. City or Chelsea will probably win the league this year and they have had as many managers as us in recent years I do not think sacking DF is the right thing to do as do not see who would come in and improve things but sticking with something purely to be stable is bollocks. If someone ain't good enough they ain't good enough Quote
onlyoneawalker Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 I was questioning Dougie last night but if we appoint a young forward thinking manager we've got to give him time and chance to learn on the job and therefore make a few mistakes he's had 12 months it's nothing really in best case scenarios so when you look at the shit he's had to and is still shovelling it's no time but he has to keep results ticking over to stop pressure building on him and the board I'd still want Dougie taking this club forward over a Mick McCarthy all day long Quote
mickbrown Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 The last time we had managers learning on the job we ended up in the 4th division. If this is such a massive restructuring job we are led to believe we need a bloke with experience. Quote
jayjay Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 Long and short of it is we can't afford to sack him. Dougie looks like Gartsides 4th consecutive bad appointment. Every football club would struggle with that. Im getting that sinking 80s feeling. Quote
mourinho Posted December 30, 2013 Posted December 30, 2013 what I am trying to say is this, we keep changing managers quickly, we could slip down the leagues (we currently have had 4 managers in five Doesn't seem to have hurt Man city, Chelsea, or indeed Leeds, and Notts Forest. A bad egg is a bad egg. Freedman has enough of his own players for this to be considered his team. If it's not working, you fix it Quote
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