Who Should You Vote For?

[kent_white]

Bowtun - you're in the fortunate position of owning your own home. I'd argue anybody who doesn't and is only making minimum wage has very little chance of ever doing the same. I'm currently taking home about a grand a month (which I think is a bit over minimum wage) - if I were single - I think I'd find it very difficult. I'd probably have to give up the car and would have no chance of saving up for a deposit. I'd probably have to steal to maintain my crack habit as well.

[no balls]

That's £1.25 every person every hour though. That'll add it. Like Whites says, it's bloody complicated and so I'm not even sure adding that £1.25 will solve it.

As an aside I see Bolton Council have been using a high number of agency staff. Aren't they Labour run?

[Guest]

It is pretty distorted to think that a desire to encourage companies to pay £1.25 per hour more to their minimum wage staff equates to a social utopia or the downfall of capitalism. As for mentioning Cuba, well.....

 

Loads of businesses already have signed up to this. It is voluntary. These businesses report 25% less sick days and 75% increase in staff productivity. The fact that this in your mind is equivalent to communism says an awful lot.

It started off as Minimum, then a call for "living", then it will be something else. As with your views on taxation, there seems be a lack of realism

[Guest]

Havent tesco just made a massive loss?

 

A reduced profit, I think, but you are right to point out that, one presumes, employees might have to return some of their "living wage" if a company isn't profitable.

 

By the way, would it also apply to smaller companies?

[Guest]

It started off as Minimum, then a call for "living", then it will be something else. As with your views on taxation, there seems be a lack of realism

It is grounded in reality. Because it is happening and working. That is as real as you can get I'd say.

[BOWTUN BAKED]

It is pretty distorted to think that a desire to encourage companies to pay £1.25 per hour more to their minimum wage staff equates to a social utopia or the downfall of capitalism. As for mentioning Cuba, well.....

 

Loads of businesses already have signed up to this. It is voluntary. These businesses report 25% less sick days and 75% increase in staff productivity. The fact that this in your mind is equivalent to communism says an awful lot.

That's how you're coming across, that's why!

 

You say £1.25, like you're buying a pifling load of bread.

 

£6.60 rising to £7.85, is a 19% increase!!! That is no small amount across the board. Not to mention the extra cost of Employers NI contributions, you do know about these don't you? I'm guessing not.

 

Do we all get that payrise or just the lowest paid. You've not thought this through enough, I don't think you have enough knowledge about it, or at least that's how it's coming across.

 

FWIW, you're right that better pay improves productivity, lessens sick days etc. I used to do it years back, but it also meant I got the better candidates, didn't have to suffer fools & demanded a higher return from them, it won't solve the fact that some folk are on what they should be on.

[exiledwhite2]

Bullshit.

 

1. You don't have any mates.

 

2. I'm guessing your 'mate' isn't on minimum wage, nor is the location of said house share the sort of location someone on minimum wage should be house sharing?

 

You'd be VERY surprised if you took a look at London rental prices, even for sharing in less salubrious areas.

 

Eye watering to say the least.

[Guest]

That's how you're coming across, that's why!

 

You say £1.25, like you're buying a pifling load of bread.

 

£6.60 rising to £7.85, is a 19% increase!!! That is no small amount across the board. Not to mention the extra cost of Employers NI contributions, you do know about these don't you? I'm guessing not.

 

Do we all get that payrise or just the lowest paid. You've not thought this through enough, I don't think you have enough knowledge about it, or at least that's how it's coming across.

 

FWIW, you're right that better pay improves productivity, lessens sick days etc. I used to do it years back, but it also meant I got the better candidates, didn't have to suffer fools & demanded a higher return from them, it won't solve the fact that some folk are on what they should be on.

I haven't thought it through? Im going assume that companies like Barclays, Google and Nestle who signed up to the living wage scheme have.

 

Oh and that notorious Commie Boris Johnson is a supporter and the mayors office in London signed up as a result!

[Whites man]

These businesses report 25% less sick days and 75% increase in staff productivity.

They should try it in the public sector then.

[Guest]

It is grounded in reality. Because it is happening and working. That is as real as you can get I'd say.

So hardly a new thing that will revolutionise

[BOWTUN BAKED]

I haven't thought it through? Im going assume that companies like Barclays, Google and Nestle who signed up to the living wage scheme have.

 

Oh and that notorious Commie Boris Johnson is a supporter and the mayors office in London signed up as a result!

Hahahahahahaha.

 

Yeah I can see shit loads of Barclays & Google's staff being on minimum wage, good PR for them though.

 

As for the London Mayors office, well it's not their money anyway & council tax will go up to cover it.

 

Must try harder!

[Casino]

They should try it in the public sector then.

 

 

aye, but higher productivity would mean less jobs

 

then where do we go

[Whites man]

aye, but higher productivity would mean less jobs

 

then where do we go

Surely the private sector would snap them up?

[Guest]

Hahahahahahaha.

Yeah I can see shit loads of Barclays & Google's staff being on minimum wage, good PR for them though.

As for the London Mayors office, well it's not their money anyway & council tax will go up to cover it.

Must try harder!

Barclays implemented if will all their contractors too. So all the staff who clean, catering staff, maintenance etc are paid at least the living wage.

 

Yes it is harder for companies with lots of minimum wage staff. But as said it isn't being forced and more and more are finding benefits of doing it. All I'm saying is that it is a good thing and we should encourage companies to do it.

[Carlos]

800 jobs gone at Sainsbury's in a cost cutting measure. Let's give everyone else a payrise.

[superjohnmcginlay]

Had this email if anyone in the Bolton West area is interested,

 

Hello

I am setting up a BBC 5 live radio programme from the Bolton Wanderers stadium (Reebok/Macron) on Thursday 30th April 2015 and am looking for people to come along. I am hoping you might be able to pass this on to your members, or get anyone you think might be keen to give me a call?

 

It’s a live broadcast with just one week to go until the election, presented by Dan Walker. All the Bolton West candidates are coming and we are looking for undecided voters to be part of a small audience to ask questions and take part in the discussion. We’ll probably have about 20/30 people in the audience in total.

 

We’d need people there between 12.30pm and 3pm ish. The only stipulation is they must live (vote) in Bolton West and they must be undecided.

It should be a really good opportunity to talk about issues people are interested in and care about.

 

 

 

Helen

 

Helen Thomas

Producer

5 live election planning

 

 

 

 

Sent by HELEN THOMAS

Email address: helen.thomas2@bbc.co.uk

[Spider]

Had this email if anyone in the Bolton West area is interested,

 

Hello

I am setting up a BBC 5 live radio programme from the Bolton Wanderers stadium (Reebok/Macron) on Thursday 30th April 2015 and am looking for people to come along. I am hoping you might be able to pass this on to your members, or get anyone you think might be keen to give me a call?

 

It’s a live broadcast with just one week to go until the election, presented by Dan Walker. All the Bolton West candidates are coming and we are looking for undecided voters to be part of a small audience to ask questions and take part in the discussion. We’ll probably have about 20/30 people in the audience in total.

 

We’d need people there between 12.30pm and 3pm ish. The only stipulation is they must live (vote) in Bolton West and they must be undecided.

It should be a really good opportunity to talk about issues people are interested in and care about.

 

 

 

Helen

 

Helen Thomas

Producer

5 live election planning

 

 

 

 

Sent by HELEN THOMAS

Email address: helen.thomas2@bbc.co.uk

Will throwing a bucket of my own piss and shit at Hilling give me away as not undecided?

 

If not, iamin.

[Smiffs]

Yeah I think we are in agreement. There is a balance but large companies making huge profits shouldn't get away with not paying a living wage in my opinion.

That tax you pay towards working tax credit...

 

I'll trump you with the 13%+ of a person's wage an employer also tips into the pot, by way of Employers NI. Add corporation tax and business rates and what you pay towards WTC is peanuts.

 

Companies exist to make money.

 

They also employ people who in turn earn money.

 

What they then spend it on is up to them.

 

It's not an employers job to tell them they can buy 6 bags of fruit and veg for a fiver in Aldi.

[COYW]

So don't rent a one bed flat then.

 

If you can't afford it, don't do it.

 

House share.

 

You really don't have a clue do you?

[BOWTUN BAKED]

Barclays implemented if will all their contractors too. So all the staff who clean, catering staff, maintenance etc are paid at least the living wage.

 

Yes it is harder for companies with lots of minimum wage staff. But as said it isn't being forced and more and more are finding benefits of doing it. All I'm saying is that it is a good thing and we should encourage companies to do it.

Encourage, maybe.

 

Insist, no.

 

I'll go back to my original question, when did people stop taking responsibility for their own lives?

 

If you don't like your job, change it, if you don't like your pay, get a different job, retrain. If you can't afford your lifestyle, change it.

 

It is not the responsibility of a nanny state to dictate to employers what to pay, if you pay peanuts expect Monkeys & all that comes with it.

 

If the monkey doesn't like it, stop being a monkey!

[BOWTUN BAKED]

You really don't have a clue do you?

I think you've missed the point.

[DirtySanchez]

Had this email if anyone in the Bolton West area is interested,

 

Hello

I am setting up a BBC 5 live radio programme from the Bolton Wanderers stadium (Reebok/Macron) on Thursday 30th April 2015 and am looking for people to come along. I am hoping you might be able to pass this on to your members, or get anyone you think might be keen to give me a call?

 

It’s a live broadcast with just one week to go until the election, presented by Dan Walker. All the Bolton West candidates are coming and we are looking for undecided voters to be part of a small audience to ask questions and take part in the discussion. We’ll probably have about 20/30 people in the audience in total.

 

We’d need people there between 12.30pm and 3pm ish. The only stipulation is they must live (vote) in Bolton West and they must be undecided.

It should be a really good opportunity to talk about issues people are interested in and care about.

 

 

 

Helen

 

Helen Thomas

Producer

5 live election planning

 

 

 

 

Sent by HELEN THOMAS

Email address: helen.thomas2@bbc.co.uk

I hope you emailed her back asking the important question

[Smiffs]

What you reckon it costs for someone to live isn't that relevant when these are set based on evidence and research by an independent body.

 

My monthly outgoings on mortgage alone is more than yours. So it is pointless basing it on any persons singular experience. It is the average cost of living.

 

Everyone could live on virtually nothing bar a sleeping bag and a free daily cup of soup in reality but this is trying to establish a baseline for the bare minimum requirements for a sensible wage to support people's lives.

 

Also ignoring NI and pension contributions which presumably many low paid workers will still make. Given they are low paid they probably don't have a mortgage so most likely rent. Presumably they also mainly have some form of transport costs to get to work and don't get to eat there for free....

Mr and Mrs average both on minimum wage equals around 32k a year or £2666 a month.

 

Rent or mortgage 600pcm

Food 400

Council tax 100

Gas and elec 150

Water 30

Phone 40

 

We're at about 1300 pcm. Fed watered and homed.

 

That's half of their income left for travel to work ale fags and sky tv

 

Piss easy. If you want it to be.

 

If you can't afford kids don't have them.

 

If you can't afford a fortnight in benidorm don't go.

 

If you can't afford fags and ale go without.

 

What the fuck happened to people being responsible for themselves?

[Smiffs]

So don't have a business if you can't afford to pay your staff a decent wage......

No problem.

 

I'll shut tomorrow and lay 80 staff off.

 

Piss easy.

 

Or I could up my prices by 15% and set the ball rolling to hyper inflation. Top effort.

 

As it happens our pay scale starts at £8ph but playing devils advocate if you think a lettuce picker should be on £20k a year you need to give your head a shake.

[Smiffs]

Or have a business and get all the work done in a more affordable marketplace.

Bingo.

 

We have a winner.

 

Pay our lot 20k a year for low grade work or get it done in Malaysia for half that.

 

In doing so let's not worry about putting 4 million low paid people out of work because we can just print some more money.

 

Piss easy. I don't know why it hasn't been done before....