Nowack Posted March 26 Posted March 26 These are the fourteen traits lifted straight out of Wikipedia, and it has to be said some of them could certainly be ascribed to the MAGA movement. "The cult of tradition," characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement. "The rejection of modernism," which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system. "The cult of action for action's sake," which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science. "Disagreement is treason" – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith. "Fear of difference," which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants. "Appeal to a frustrated middle class," fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups. "Obsession with a plot" and the inflation of and focus on an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society. Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession. Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will. "Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy" because "life is permanent warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war. "Contempt for the weak," which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate leader, who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force. "Everybody is educated to become a hero," which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death." "Machismo," which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality." "Selective populism" – the people, conceived monolithically, have a common will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he alone dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the voice of the people". "Newspeak" – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning. Quote
Nowack Posted March 26 Posted March 26 And this is how these may relate to MAGA and other groups which is not what I intended, but since I started reading this again after a few years I thought i would undertake the exercise. Because I have a lot of work to do and I am always looking for an excuse not to do it. 1. The cult of tradition - Its in the name "Make America Great Again" 2. Rejection of modernism - Resistance to modern regulations protections for example ECHR. Not trump but I am sure we can find an example. 3. Action for actions sake - He is certainly impulsive. 4 Disagreement is treason - See everyone who has ever disagreed with him 5. Fear the difference - Build the wall 6. Frustrated middle class - Front page of yesterdays daily mail was something like "the middle class will pay". Again not trump but I am sure examples could be found 7. Obsession with the plot - QAnon 8. The enemy is both too strong and too weak - They are going to Nuke everyone or we have destroyed them in two weeks. 9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy - His diplomatic efforts seem to involve a lot of military threats and actions (see 3) 10 Contempt for the weak - I support winners not losers. 11. The hero narrative - Storm the capital 12. Machismo and Weaponry - Our thoughts and prayers. 13. Selective populism - My words represent working people 14. Newspeak - MAGA I am sure if I could be bothered you could link these to pretty much every party of every colour, but it is clear that politics at the moment bears a resemblance to what one observer thought went on in Italy and Germany nearly a century ago, and more so than when he wrote it 35 years ago Quote
Nowack Posted March 26 Posted March 26 You get an amazing sense of power and control posting several posts at once Quote
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Well, I'm not convinced you aren't at least implying he's a fascist 🙂 But I still can't agree Quote
Nowack Posted March 26 Posted March 26 I wasn't, but since you brought it up and I've though about it I am. Quote
Ani Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Calling Trump or anyone else a fascist is just lazy. If you also say he is a mad man driven by his ego it is quite contradictory to also say he is driven by a political ideology. Just a lunatic making stuff up as he goes along might be a fairer assessment. Quote
Nowack Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Actually. I don't think Trump or Farage are fascists because that implies they have some sort of ideology. They don't. But that doesn't stop them having the traits of a fascist. Quote
Spider Posted March 26 Posted March 26 They just don’t like darkies Its behind most of their thinking. Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 26 Posted March 26 5 hours ago, Nowack said: You get an amazing sense of power and control posting several posts at once Think Bolty managed thirteen once 😄 Quote
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted March 26 Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Ani said: Calling Trump or anyone else a fascist is just lazy. If you also say he is a mad man driven by his ego it is quite contradictory to also say he is driven by a political ideology. Just a lunatic making stuff up as he goes along might be a fairer assessment. Pretty much If there's any pattern to his behaviour, it's that he acts in whatever he thinks is in his personal best interests Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 26 Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Ani said: Just a lunatic making stuff up as he goes along might be a fairer assessment. I think so only the Republican Party who could find a place for him tbh not to say there aren’t many of his supporters driven by fascist ideology. Farage on the other hand genuinely does come across as someone who just doesn’t like foreigners & Muslims. Absolute meltdown because some Muslims did a prayer in Trafalgar Square Quote
Cheese Posted March 26 Posted March 26 Stephen Miller is the real fascist. Trump is just the dumb figurehead. Quote
Ani Posted March 26 Posted March 26 1 hour ago, London Wanderer said: Absolute meltdown because some Muslims did a prayer in Trafalgar Square Meltdown or opportunity to play to his support base. Just watched QT , Tom Tugendhat really should be leader of the Tory party. I honestly think I could vote for him ! I know they are not going to pick their leader based on my views but he was excellent tonight. Quote
Zico Posted March 26 Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Cheese said: Stephen Miller is the real fascist. Trump is just the dumb figurehead. Hadn't heard of him Just read up on this End of the day, trump can sack him if he wants https://newrepublic.com/article/208114/trump-stephen-miller-immigration-panic Quote
Zico Posted March 27 Posted March 27 whilst it seems his "secretary of war" is an extreme religous nut job https://www.instagram.com/p/DVjCPnKj_jR Quote
royal white Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 26/03/2026 at 23:50, Ani said: Meltdown or opportunity to play to his support base. Just watched QT , Tom Tugendhat really should be leader of the Tory party. I honestly think I could vote for him ! I know they are not going to pick their leader based on my views but he was excellent tonight. How refreshing was it to see a politician take some blame for some of the mess he was involved in. I was hoping Farage would be on but he apparently wasn’t allowed as it’s his local constituency. Quote
Ani Posted March 28 Posted March 28 36 minutes ago, royal white said: How refreshing was it to see a politician take some blame for some of the mess he was involved in. I was hoping Farage would be on but he apparently wasn’t allowed as it’s his local constituency. I also liked it when he jumped when the guy in the audience was trying to have a go at Labour about us not being defended and neglecting drone technology. Quote
Manchester_whites Posted March 28 Posted March 28 At a Saudi‑backed investment summit in Miami this week. Trump said at the end of his speech, “I want to just thank everyone so much. I’m asked to take a few questions. “Unlike other politicians, they would like the questions screened. I don’t ask for a screening of the questions," adding, “You can ask me anything you want. You can talk sex, whatever the hell you want. I am here for you." FFS 🤦♂️ Quote
frank_spencer Posted March 28 Posted March 28 1 hour ago, royal white said: How refreshing was it to see a politician take some blame for some of the mess he was involved in. I was hoping Farage would be on but he apparently wasn’t allowed as it’s his local constituency. No such rule other MP's have appeared in their constituency before Quote
royal white Posted March 28 Posted March 28 12 minutes ago, frank_spencer said: No such rule other MP's have appeared in their constituency before That was only for certain topics that are specific to that area Quote
Traf Posted March 28 Posted March 28 2 hours ago, royal white said: How refreshing was it to see a politician take some blame for some of the mess he was involved in. I was hoping Farage would be on but he never visits his local constituency. EFA Quote
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