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The money would be used to pay off debts. If we sign some loan players we're back to square one next season and I'm not convinced there are loans of the quality and experienced needed available.

 

Selling Vela if it meant bringing a proper midfield player in might be worth considering, though very risky. I still see no chance of survival if we cash in on Madine.

 

Who says the money would be used to pay off debts?

Quite a few don't really fancy Vela, which is fair enough, but equally, if he's not that good then we'd get little for him and it would seem pointless.

Quite a few don't really fancy Vela, which is fair enough, but equally, if he's not that good then we'd get little for him and it would seem pointless.

 

He’s average championship player his energy and fitness fantastic technically from what I’ve seen he’s poor.

Quite a few don't really fancy Vela, which is fair enough, but equally, if he's not that good then we'd get little for him and it would seem pointless.

 

I don't think anybody thinks we would get more than a couple of million for him, but that money might be enough to bring in 2 or 3 players to strengthen us for the end of season run in

Who says the money would be used to pay off debts?

 

I some of it might be used to pay for the continued running of the club, we're still losing money on a monthly basis as far as I'm aware, so Id assume it would be used to keep us solvent, and to pay the staff on time

 

Although, maybe KA could trouser the lot and buy another apartment in Monaco

I some of it might be used to pay for the continued running of the club, we're still losing money on a monthly basis as far as I'm aware, so Id assume it would be used to keep us solvent, and to pay the staff on time

 

Although, maybe KA could trouser the lot and buy another apartment in Monaco

 

 

It’s a moot point because according to Parky, Madine is going nowhere however it sticks in my throat when folk assume they know what KA would do with the money and even insinuate we wont see any of it because it’ll go to clearing debts, when in reality they know fuck all.

Edited January 15, 20188 yr by Mounts Kipper

I don't think anybody thinks we would get more than a couple of million for him, but that money might be enough to bring in 2 or 3 players to strengthen us for the end of season run in

You may well be right, just a bit concerned that we might not get anyone better to improve the squad.

If he was ripping up trees and an obvious big pay day for the club then aye let him go.

It’s a moot point because according to Parky, Madine is going nowhere however it sticks in my throat when folk assume they know what KA would do with the money and even insinuate we wont see any of it because it’ll go to clearing debts, when in reality they know fuck all.

 

 

You may well be right, just a bit concerned that we might not get anyone better to improve the squad.

If he was ripping up trees and an obvious big pay day for the club then aye let him go.

 

If bills/debts need paying/clearing then they take priority, surely?

It’s a moot point because according to Parky, Madine is going nowhere however it sticks in my throat when folk assume they know what KA would do with the money and even insinuate we wont see any of it because it’ll go to clearing debts, when in reality they know fuck all.

 

It’s a moot point because according to Parky, Madine is going nowhere however it sticks in my throat when folk assume they know what KA would do with the money and even insinuate we wont see any of it because it’ll go to clearing debts, when in reality they know fuck all.

 

to a degree

 

he said he'd put £3M in the coffers if we got 20k for the rest of the season, so, you can only take his word for it as that was never going to happen anyway

 

but what we do know is he doesn't want to put his hand in his pocket to pay wages etc, so I think you can be pretty sure any incoming money would be used to make sure we don't lose any money each  month, and that wages are paid, however much that might be

 

which is fair enough

Who says the money would be used to pay off debts?

 

Ken says we will "lose" 5-6M this season. I'm guessing that Ken isn't going to pay that himself. So I'm confident that the majority of cash from any sale will be used to cover those running costs. Like the 3M from Clough last year.

 

Its reasonable entirely for that to be the case. Just not great as a fan, wanting us to stay up. Hopefully the importance of Madine to us that is plainly evident will mean he is kept here and we find another way to manage the losses. 

It’s a moot point because according to Parky, Madine is going nowhere however it sticks in my throat when folk assume they know what KA would do with the money and even insinuate we wont see any of it because it’ll go to clearing debts, when in reality they know fuck all.

it not knowing fuck all it’s called obvious

 

We get argument sake 6m for madine rightly so Ken won’t hand 6m back for transfers

If bills/debts need paying/clearing then they take priority, surely?

Absolutely they do, just don't think there'll be much left by the time we've brought in a replacement or two. I don't see us getting a decent wedge for him that's all.

 

IF, we can get rid of a few fringe players, that might be more effective. Not sure how achievable that is though.

 

IF, we can get rid of a few fringe players, that might be more effective. Not sure how achievable that is though.

 

I agree, that would be better, I just fear that our fringe players are a bit shit and nobody would be willing to take them off our hands and pay them the same wage they are currently enjoying - let alone pay us a fee

Ken says we will "lose" 5-6M this season. I'm guessing that Ken isn't going to pay that himself. So I'm confident that the majority of cash from any sale will be used to cover those running costs. Like the 3M from Clough last year.

 

Its reasonable entirely for that to be the case. Just not great as a fan, wanting us to stay up. Hopefully the importance of Madine to us that is plainly evident will mean he is kept here and we find another way to manage the losses.

It looks like KA is backing PP to keep Madine therefore t looks like he’s going to fund it some other way, like wise if he did sell Madine I’d think he would use some of the money to strengthen the squad as he did with the Clough money and that’s why I question and it irritates me that in your earlier post you said we’d use the money to pay off debts rather than strengthen the squad. Forgive me if I’m wrong but it sounded like a pop at KA.

Edited January 15, 20188 yr by Mounts Kipper

It looks like KA is backing PP to keep Madine therefore t looks like he’s going to fund it some other way, like wise if he did sell Madine I’d think he would use some of the money to strengthen the squad as he did with the Clough money and that’s why I question and it irritates me that in your earlier post you said we’d use the money to pay off debts rather than strengthen the squad. Forgive me if I’m wrong but it sounded like a pop at KA.

 

No. Not a pop at KA. Realistically Ken has never promised to fund the club out of his own funds. I don't think anyone thinks he will. We found a way to replace Clough but it was certainly not by spending any of the £3M. And the replacements were of very limited quality and in the championship that approach will be found lacking. I don't think there is a chance that transfer funds will allow us to go and spend money on players. And under those restrictions and financial situations to me its far better to keep our best players as they almost certainly won't be replaced with the same quality. 

 

Whilst Morais had a great impact last year, I'd rather have young Zach now as he's a better and younger player. Same goes for ALF. 

No. Not a pop at KA. Realistically Ken has never promised to fund the club out of his own funds. 

 

I disagree.

 

We all know we have been in embargo and part of that must cover the ability of the club to fulfil its financial obligations over the season ending in June 2018.

 

If so budgeted accounts would have had to be scrutinised by the EFL and approved by them.

 

These estimated accounts forecast a deficit of some £6 million.

 

Anderson MUST have produced proof that he could fund this deficit.

 

In order to produce such proof it most be 'factual'.

 

Saying 'we might sell a player or two for a couple of million or so in January', or 'I might find someone who wants to invest some millions into the club in the next few months' or 'I think I can sell the club before I run out of money' - would I expect not be acceptable to the EFL.

 

In which case we should still be in a full embargo.

 

Therefore it is not unreasonable to assume that we actually DON'T have to sell anyone we don't want to in this window.

 

I guess what I am trying to say is that Anderson is still in control of the circumstances at the club and not the other way around whereby the circumstances are dictating to him what actions are required.

 

In which case he isn't forced to sell players to pay the bills now if he doesn't want to.

 

If he sells Madine and or Vela and doesn't replace them with similar or better than he probably is accepting relegation.

 

Anderson I guess would need to calculate if it is better for him financially in the longer term to gamble on staying up and keeping Madine, or having a club in a lower division - shorn of its best asset that had been sold off to pay a few bills off - simply to save himself dipping into his pocket.

 

On the face of it I would think he would be in a better position if we did stay up - which probably means we would not sell Madine/Vela.

 

That's how I view things anyway.

According to Nixon we are working on bringing a prem centre half on loan with a view to it being full time ,that's a strange one if true

According to Nixon we are working on bringing a prem centre half on loan with a view to it being full time ,that's a strange one if true

Is it?

 

We’re trying to shift Dervite and Derik and we may have lost Burke.

According to Nixon we are working on bringing a prem centre half on loan with a view to it being full time ,that's a strange one if true

 

It's just a holding position.

I disagree.

 

We all know we have been in embargo and part of that must cover the ability of the club to fulfil its financial obligations over the season ending in June 2018.

 

If so budgeted accounts would have had to be scrutinised by the EFL and approved by them.

 

These estimated accounts forecast a deficit of some £6 million.

 

Anderson MUST have produced proof that he could fund this deficit.

 

In order to produce such proof it most be 'factual'.

 

Saying 'we might sell a player or two for a couple of million or so in January', or 'I might find someone who wants to invest some millions into the club in the next few months' or 'I think I can sell the club before I run out of money' - would I expect not be acceptable to the EFL.

 

In which case we should still be in a full embargo.

 

Therefore it is not unreasonable to assume that we actually DON'T have to sell anyone we don't want to in this window.

 

I guess what I am trying to say is that Anderson is still in control of the circumstances at the club and not the other way around whereby the circumstances are dictating to him what actions are required.

 

In which case he isn't forced to sell players to pay the bills now if he doesn't want to.

 

If he sells Madine and or Vela and doesn't replace them with similar or better than he probably is accepting relegation.

 

Anderson I guess would need to calculate if it is better for him financially in the longer term to gamble on staying up and keeping Madine, or having a club in a lower division - shorn of its best asset that had been sold off to pay a few bills off - simply to save himself dipping into his pocket.

 

On the face of it I would think he would be in a better position if we did stay up - which probably means we would not sell Madine/Vela.

 

That's how I view things anyway.

 

Well in theory. I think what and how the money is covered is crucial. I guess its one thing proving you can cover costs, another being willing or keen to do so.

 

Also do we know for a fact if we are fully out of embargo? I note Iles was saying last week that the club wouldn't confirm our status and neither would the EFL. 

 

I'm a Ken fan. But we have to be realistic, if there is a way he doesn't have to lose 6M quid I think he's going to take it. 

Well in theory. I think what and how the money is covered is crucial. I guess its one thing proving you can cover costs, another being willing or keen to do so.

 

Also do we know for a fact if we are fully out of embargo? I note Iles was saying last week that the club wouldn't confirm our status and neither would the EFL. 

 

I'm a Ken fan. But we have to be realistic, if there is a way he doesn't have to lose 6M quid I think he's going to take it. 

 

My point is that the EFL are required to ascertain that ALL of its members are financially able to complete the season before each season starts and those that do not provide the satisfactory confirmation are placed in an embargo.

 

It is irrespective if we are still in one or not as my point is that this seasons 'books' have already been 'looked at' and financial proof of ability to fund the entire season has been provided and accepted.

 

It is irrelevant if Mr Anderson doesn't want to cover the costs - he is legally obliged to - even if that means doing an Eddie Davies by stopping funding and selling the club for a £1 to someone else to take on the costs.  Of course Mr Anderson will be seeking to turn a profit on his time as owner and is very unlikely to turn off the financial taps.

 

I'm sure Mr Anderson does not want to lose money on the club and is more likely to turn a profit by staying in the higher division (with a coveted striker) than in the division below without one.

 

That's how I see things anyway.

we hada funding gap last season

 

we covered it through the sales of holding and clough

 

we have a similar, though smakller, gap this this seasion which i'd guess we wouyld look to nfund either by sales or investment

 

one 'sale' already by getting holding sell on up front

 

further cash is probably required - we may have gone for upfront rental payments for the 2 gigs?

 

purely guesswork, but its either another sale

 

or somebody provides investment or loans, be it KA or somebody else

 

could that be the reason for the creation of the new share?

Who was the last player we signed that involved a transfer fee?

Kaiyne Woolery I think

we hada funding gap last season

 

we covered it through the sales of holding and clough

 

we have a similar, though smakller, gap this this seasion which i'd guess we wouyld look to nfund either by sales or investment

 

one 'sale' already by getting holding sell on up front

 

further cash is probably required - we may have gone for upfront rental payments for the 2 gigs?

 

purely guesswork, but its either another sale

 

or somebody provides investment or loans, be it KA or somebody else

 

could that be the reason for the creation of the new share?

It will catch up soon enough if he keeps dipping in to future money's.

 

I know this is how most clubs work now but we will run out of future income soon enough