Transfer Gossip

[onefinfrandsen]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Sad to see Cogley go. Pretty much an ever-present for 2 full seasons, and he always put a good shift in. Bags of energy. Baffling really. Something must have gone on behind the scenes to see him drop so far out of favour.

His energy we have missed, often getting us from defence into attack, its no coincidence Acd’s form has dropped, they linked up well together.

[Cheese]

15 minutes ago, onefinfrandsen said:

His energy we have missed, often getting us from defence into attack, its no coincidence Acd’s form has dropped, they linked up well together.

Weird innit. No idea how he lost his place. Defending might not have been the best part of his game, but Christie isn't any better, and offers far less going forward. Anyway, he's gone now, so I will not mention him any more and erase him from my memory.

Edited January 15 by Cheese

[RUREADY2ROLL]

9 minutes ago, onefinfrandsen said:

His energy we have missed, often getting us from defence into attack, its no coincidence Acd’s form has dropped, they linked up well together.

We see it but the clown making the decisions doesn’t. We are being ruined

[jmjhb]

Half of you think he was bobbins. The other half think he was the saviour and the key to start winning again

In short, no-one will ever be happy whatever the club does.

Edited January 15 by jmjhb

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

Half of you think he was bobbins. The other half think he was the saviour and the key to start winning again

In short, no-one will ever be happy whatever the club does.

Which player are you referring to?

Edited January 15 by Cheese

[onefinfrandsen]

8 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Weird innit. No idea how he lost his place. Defending might not have been the best part of his game, but Christie isn't any better, and offers far less going forward. Anyway, he's gone now, so I will not mention him any more and erase him from my memory.

Think his contract was up after this season, maybe ss didn’t want to offer him a new one and he’s downed tools. Who knows, good luck to the lad anyway.

[Winchester White]

13 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

We see it but the clown making the decisions doesn’t. We are being ruined

I hope you are wrong.

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, Cheese said:

Sad to see Cogley go. Pretty much an ever-present for 2 full seasons, and he always put a good shift in. Bags of energy. Baffling really. Something must have gone on behind the scenes to see him drop so far out of favour.

Someone said if he played x number of games it triggered a contract extension.  And its reasonable for us not to want him beyond this season.  I've no idea if that's true but it would explain his sudden absence from squads.  I'd have done the same if the alternative was giving him another year.

But I'd have him in the team instead of Christie every day of the week due to his fitness and relative pace.

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

Anderson was brilliant for Birmingham last season

Is he not a striker these days like when we had him on loan?

He was in a title winning side and scored 7 goals in 37 games.

McAtee scored 11 for a team that finished 10 points off the play offs and he's a waste of time.

I'd be interested to know which position Anderson would be playing or who he'd be replacing.

[ianofcleveleys]

16 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Someone said if he played x number of games it triggered a contract extension.  And its reasonable for us not to want him beyond this season.  I've no idea if that's true but it would explain his sudden absence from squads.  I'd have done the same if the alternative was giving him another year.

But I'd have him in the team instead of Christie every day of the week due to his fitness and relative pace.

As Dave Challinor has said earlier 'we were quite surprised to find that he was available'. 

His defensive deficiencies are exposed as RB in a 4 but his ability to get beyond the inverted winger is certainly something we miss

[Dr. Feelgood]

In other matters ...

RICARDO Santos has seen his move to Reading collapse after a failed medical. Poised to return to League One with the Royals, six months after his release at the Toughsheet Stadium. Santos, 30, had picked up a knee injury shortly after signing for Swansea City in the summer and has managed just 22 minutes of first team football for his new club in the Championship, coming on as a substitute in a 3-0 defeat at Bristol City in November.

The centre-half has also played for Cape Verde and had sought a move in January to help his chances of making the World Cup next summer.

[Take Hunt Off]

We need a right back pronto, Christie won’t cut it .Back up ok but not starting regularly. Tutu could step up but is injury prone .

Anderson had a decent season last year but seems to be another wide man !!

Mixed feelings on Cogley , good pro , decent going forward poor defensively.

[Wanderlust]

I guess the thinking with Christie is that he delivers decent crosses more often than not. JDC couldn’t cross the road.

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

I'm not slagging JDC off but just because another manager rates him doesn't change anything either way.......can we just remember somebody once thought Madine was worth £6M

[deeane Koontz]

Thicko decision getting rid of him given the current options we have in that position.

 

 

[Wanderlust]

2 hours ago, deeane Koontz said:

Thicko decision getting rid of him given the current options we have in that position.

 

 

I understand that view but given that we need to be better in both boxes and JCD offers nothing much at either end (although is very good at running up and down the side) and given that we need to thin out the squad, he’s not a bad option to let go, especially as we may well be changing systems and no longer require anyone in that role if we go cards in 352 or 3232 for example. Plus we don’t know if JDC was one of the alleged dressing room shit-stirrers or not.

SS knows things have to change and he just about has enough credit to be given the opportunity.

[Ratwhite]

Sad to see both Forrester and Cogley go.

When we're stuck with Rorino, McAtee and Randall. 

Christie is ok, but hasn't got the legs to last 90 mins and lacks pace. 

Hate to say it but this seasons fucked already

[Eddie]

I’m not sad to see any of them go.

Cogley was really solid and reliable for a while but from half way through last season he really dropped off and has looked a shadow of that player since. Teams definitely target him and as @ianofcleveleys says, he’s no full back - he’s not good enough defensively. He was signed as back up and proved to be more than that for a while but he has been a weak link for a while.

Forrester we’ve already covered. He might go on to do well but could never put a run of games together.

Vic - less said the better. Had a purple patch of about 5 games but was truly awful at football. He was that bad that he didn’t actually get any better whilst injured for a year, which even McAtee is now benefitting from.

The keepers were both poor.

Rumours that Randall is off to Evatt if our royal correspondent is to be believed (you’ve not been wrong with much to be fair!). That would be another win.

Getting rid of these players isn’t the problem, they’re not good enough. The issue is replacing (some of) them with good enough quality and more importantly getting those that are left behind actually playing properly again.

[wakey]

Pretty sure some of the same posters that said they wouldn't be upset at any of our players leaving are now upset that JDC's gone.

[gonzo]

I wouldn't be so arsed about Cogley if we had a proper replacement.

And he wasn't going to a direct rival.

[Rizlar]

Cogley will not be missed wasn’t that  good of a defender very weak and easily knocked off the ball he was good at throwing his arms about when things went wrong.

[Eddie]

21 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I wouldn't be so arsed about Cogley if we had a proper replacement.

And he wasn't going to a direct rival.

I think we’ll be looking at a replacement, it’s very obvious that we need one.

Going to a direct rival on one hand seems daft, but on the other hand I don’t think he’s very good, so he can be not very good for a direct rival.

Part of Cogley’s issue in our team was that he was just another part of a very small and weak looking back 4. When you’ve got physically slight / weak centre backs like Toal and GJ (when considered as a 2), putting Cogley next to them just makes it seem so much worse. We all know that a big part of this league is about size, strength, height etc. and when 3 of your back line is JDC, Toal, GJ - you’re not getting promoted.

I’m still of the opinion that Forino has to be one of the two centre backs because he’s the only one with any physicality (he has other weaknesses don’t get me wrong) - if we could find a replacement right back that has the physicality of Christie and the legs of Cogley then it would go a long way to improving us defensively.

Not wanting to sound like we should bring all of our ex-players back, but just as an example someone like Kioso next to Forino, Toal and Conway would seem like a far more imposing defence in a league full of cloggers.

[Lostock Whites]

Cogley is a poor footballer.

I cannot criticise his work ethic and stamina which were top tier.

But as a footballer he was poor for us, in possession no idea whatsoever, would give the ball away countless times in dangerous areas. Luton away he was horrific. And I won't miss him complaining at others for his mistakes. Jones was similar.

If we get a replacement then I'm all for it.

We need players in our back line who stop making mistakes as often as they do. We've removed Sharman-Lowe, Cogley. For me the next 2 who are most prone to costly errors are undoubtedly Richard Taylor & Johnston, of whom we can't be selling at this moment.

I get it's League 1 and we won't be getting perfect players. But we've got to do better. I don't think you can really coach out of players mistakes they make and their composure. Johnston has had rash moments ever since we first got him and hasn't changed.

Edited January 16 by Lostock Whites

[BoltonPro15]

No issue with Cogley going - we need new faces and I'm a believer that we do need to get rid of the 'old guard' in order for the culture and squad DNA to improve.

That said, we have sold our best option in that position to a competitor which I've always found to be an odd move.

He has been one of our most consistent and reliable performers for us during his time - I never really understood the stick he got from our lot. I think we do sometimes forgot that we are playing in league 1, with league 1 players.

[Eavesy]

Cogley might not be great but he made ACD a better player, simply from his overlapping and positioning.

ACD is worse with Christie and tutu. They ‘might’ be better individual players but it’s all about the sum of the parts for me.

As a team we are ultimately worse off without Cogley. The results and ACDs form fully back this up. 

Losing Cogley is fine if we have a replacement who replicates him but is generally a better footballer. If we don’t it’s a very bad transfer decision. 

Edited January 16 by Eavesy