Youri McAnespie Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I didn't know that, good lads. In my opinion some of the relatively unsung heroes of the last century were the men who joined the International Brigade to fight the fascists in the Spanish Civil War. It wasn't their fight but they risked their lives, and some lost, to stand up for their beliefs. And lasses, girls/women are on the frontline with the blokes - incredibly brave if one considers what they risk at the hands of those animals (if captured). Yes though, you've made a good analogy there, it's often held up in comparison with the International Brigades in the Spanish Civil War... A few articles on them linked here, including a surprisingly decent report by The Daily Mail... https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/bob-crown-brigade-interview https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3733335/amp/British-fighters-Syria-rename-Bob-Crow-Brigade-break-fighting-ISIS-support-Eurostar-workers-strike.html https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/syrian-war-british-fighters-in-the-socialist-bob-crow-brigade-prepared-to-die-to-fight-against-isis-a7312161.html%3Famp Quote
birch-chorley Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I thought that anyone going over to fight for either side is classed as a terrorist and arrested on their return? I'm no ISIS fan don't get me wrong but don't think folk should be going out there to fight at all Quote
mickbrown Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I didn't know that, good lads. In my opinion some of the relatively unsung heroes of the last century were the men who joined the International Brigade to fight the fascists in the Spanish Civil War. It wasn't their fight but they risked their lives, and some lost, to stand up for their beliefs. Lefty bedwetters. Quote
MalcolmW Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Interesting points. You've still not tackled the fact that Islamic Terrorism is geopolitically a new thing. Yes, the Ottoman's slaughtered thousands as they conquered vast swathes of Europe in the 13th Century, but that's not relevant to today. Over the course of world history every religion has slaughtered people in their thousands, but you don't see Catholics vilified for the actions of Mary Queen of Scots. If you don't look at the political not the religious issues you are always going to come up short for answers to the problem other than send people back (to where?) and control the massive 5% of the population. Economic downturns have always led to concerns over immigration, and a rise in nativism. The depth of the depression isn't the relevant factor here. There are examples throughout world history. Those were just two. On the women point, yes any equality has to be tackled, Islam per say over history isn't any worse than others. By point this out, you aren't shying away from an inconvenient truths or calling racism. I was pointing out its discriminatory to focus this issue only one one particular group. Debate has, funnily enough always been fashionable. Its how human's discuss things. No one is calling any names (well, from my side I'm hopefully not), just questioning some of your conclusions. That's not being a loon, that's just a discussion. Your learned piece appears to have conflated Mary Queen of Scots and Bloody Mary, Queen of England. Quote
Youri McAnespie Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I thought that anyone going over to fight for either side is classed as a terrorist and arrested on their return? I'm no ISIS fan don't get me wrong but don't think folk should be going out there to fight at all There's a link elaborating on the legalities below... ISIS is a terrorist organisation, so in joining them one becomes a terrorist. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2015/feb/25/brits-abroad-against-law-fight-isis As an aside, apparently there have also been EDL types making their way over to fight, these are usually redirected to Christian protection militias as their politics are in opposition to those of the YPG etc. I think it's a worthy fight, I enjoy life too much to countenance joining up, although I'm having a jaunt to Jordan (and Israel) later this year so...Maybe I'll dig out my GAT gun and darts, Rambo knife off Farnworth Market and black widow catty just in case I change my mind... Quote
Youri McAnespie Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 (edited) Lefty bedwetters. To be fair they were probably of fuck all use, everyone knows lefties can't feet and are soft as erm...sheet. You want the likes of Michael Gove or The Bullingdon Club lads alongside you if the chips are down and you're in a scrap. Edited March 28, 2017 by Youri McAnespie Quote
Spider Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Your learned piece appears to have conflated Mary Queen of Scots and Bloody Mary, Queen of England. Oi, Crawley Malc just called you a cunt Quote
Not in Crawley Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 I know. God damn it, I didn't wiki enough for his liking! Quote
MalcolmW Posted March 29, 2017 Posted March 29, 2017 I know. God damn it, I didn't wiki enough for his liking! You don't need wiki to tell you that MQoS held power for only a short period, and did not impose her religion on her subjects. Whereas Bloody Mary did reimpose Catholicism and somewhat robustly. Quote
Gonk Posted March 29, 2017 Posted March 29, 2017 You don't need wiki to tell you that MQoS held power for only a short period, and did not impose her religion on her subjects. Whereas Bloody Mary did reimpose Catholicism and somewhat robustly. You just needed to have been there when it happened (like me) Quote
Not in Crawley Posted March 29, 2017 Posted March 29, 2017 You don't need wiki to tell you that MQoS held power for only a short period, and did not impose her religion on her subjects. Whereas Bloody Mary did reimpose Catholicism and somewhat robustly. No, you are quite correct right you don't, but then I guess you know that wasn't the point I was making, dear Malcolm. Quote
MalcolmW Posted March 29, 2017 Posted March 29, 2017 No, you are quite correct right you don't, but then I guess you know that wasn't the point I was making, dear Malcolm. The point I was making is that the point you were making is flawed. You appear to have an obsession that I find everything I know on wikipedia. I often use it to remind me of detail, but rarely to discover completely new topics, and I often find inconsistencies between separate independent entries. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted March 29, 2017 Posted March 29, 2017 I think you'll find most people use it to remind themselves of specific details, or indeed the very details themselves. Although, the other night I did find out that I'd referred to the wrong Queen in a discussion. I'm also sure you do find inconsistencies between separate independent entries, you don't have to be so Malcolm about it though. Quote
Spider Posted March 29, 2017 Posted March 29, 2017 I think you'll find most people use it to remind themselves of specific details, or indeed the very details themselves. Although, the other night I did find out that I'd referred to the wrong Queen in a discussion. I'm also sure you do find inconsistencies between separate independent entries, you don't have to be so Malcolm about it though. I'm saying: Malc 51.9% NIC 48.1% Quote
Not in Crawley Posted March 29, 2017 Posted March 29, 2017 Its a tragic state of affairs, all told. All apologies Malcolm, and take I your pedantic correction of my post in the good grace in which it was offered. Quote
MalcolmW Posted March 29, 2017 Posted March 29, 2017 Its a tragic state of affairs, all told. All apologies Malcolm, and take I your pedantic correction of my post in the good grace in which it was offered. Peace in our time (?). Quote
only1swanny Posted March 29, 2017 Posted March 29, 2017 Peace in our time (?). Neville Chamberlain...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain Quote
Whites man Posted April 6, 2017 Posted April 6, 2017 And lasses, girls/women are on the frontline with the blokes - incredibly brave if one considers what they risk at the hands of those animals (if captured). Yes though, you've made a good analogy there, it's often held up in comparison with the International Brigades in the Spanish Civil War... A few articles on them linked here, including a surprisingly decent report by The Daily Mail...https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/bob-crown-brigade-interviewhttps://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3733335/amp/British-fighters-Syria-rename-Bob-Crow-Brigade-break-fighting-ISIS-support-Eurostar-workers-strike.htmlhttps://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/syrian-war-british-fighters-in-the-socialist-bob-crow-brigade-prepared-to-die-to-fight-against-isis-a7312161.html%3Famp There is an unveiling of a plaque commemorating the volunteers from Bolton in the next few months, I will get details on here when I have them. Quote
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