Wways Election Poll

[Escobarp]

Think most on here know deep down that's going to be the case mounts

 

But at least let the other lot pretend its not true until Theresa is stood addressing the nation in her victory speech. They've got to wait 5 years to get excited again and hopefully they have a credible leader and believable manifesto then to make it a close run thing

[kent_white]

Think most on here know deep down that's going to be the case mounts

 

But at least let the other lot pretend its not true until Theresa is stood addressing the nation in her victory speech. They've got to wait 5 years to get excited again and hopefully they have a credible leader and believable manifesto then to make it a close run thing

I don't know any Labour voters who are predicting anything other than a Conservative win. I've certainly not heard any on here at any rate.

[Escobarp]

That's my point Kent :-)

 

Everybody knows what's coming but doesn't stop you dreaming

[Salford Trotter]

With the polls tightening i can only see a Tory majority at 40 to 50 max which makes the whole "calling an election to give me a stronger Brexit mandate" a complete waste of the £120m that we have pissed up the wall for nothing. The Tories need to take a good long hard look at themselves on Friday morning and ask why they have messed this up big time.

[Boby Brno]

With the polls tightening i can only see a Tory majority at 40 to 50 max which makes the whole "calling an election to give me a stronger Brexit mandate" a complete waste of the £120m that we have pissed up the wall for nothing. The Tories need to take a good long hard look at themselves on Friday morning and ask why they have messed this up big time.

I think you need to see Malcolm's post elsewhere to understand why it was all worthwhile. If your prediction is right, there will only be one party taking a long hard look at themselves.

[Salford Trotter]

I think you need to see Malcolm's post elsewhere to understand why it was all worthwhile. If your prediction is right, there will only be one party taking a long hard look at themselves.

Any chance of a precis?

[birch-chorley]

Could a Tory majority along the lines of where it is now (or slimmer) be seen as a poor enough result to see off TM

 

In a perfect world fir me both Corbyn &TM resign on Friday

[stevieb]

Could a Tory majority along the lines of where it is now (or slimmer) be seen as a poor enough result to see off TM

 

In a perfect world fir me both Corbyn &TM resign on Friday

And have 5 years of Labour voters bleating that we have an unelected leader. Fuck that.

[birch-chorley]

I fear that they will both be in charge for the next 5 years

 

Worst outcome possible

[Not in Crawley]

That's my point Kent :-)

 

Everybody knows what's coming but doesn't stop you dreaming

No one is dreaming, you don't just vote because the party you agree with has the best chance of forming a government.

 

It's interesting that when labour won I heard none of this lighting a cigar, laughing at the other side (although I'll admit I enjoyed a chuckle at Portillo losing his seat which I regret now as I love his programme on trains)

 

There seems to be an unhealthy obsession with some about rubbing a losers face in it. Elections aren't as simple as that.

 

If the conservatives don't get a huge majority it will be a failure, Corbyn has already won in many ways as he has had the strongest personal campaign, which means he probably won't step down until the Labour conference - or at all. Either way May is starting her new government on a weaker footing than she was before she called this election - she personally is under much more scrutiny than ever.

[Not in Crawley]

Any chance of a precis?

Because of the timings of the Brexit negotiations, which was a good effort in diversion but not much else.

[Guest]

No one is dreaming, you don't just vote because the party you agree with has the best chance of forming a government.

 

It's interesting that when labour won I heard none of this lighting a cigar, laughing at the other side (although I'll admit I enjoyed a chuckle at Portillo losing his seat which I regret now as I love his programme on trains)

 

There seems to be an unhealthy obsession with some about rubbing a losers face in it. Elections aren't as simple as that.

 

If the conservatives don't get a huge majority it will be a failure, Corbyn has already won in many ways as he has had the strongest personal campaign, which means he probably won't step down until the Labour conference - or at all. Either way May is starting her new government on a weaker footing than she was before she called this election - she personally is under much more scrutiny than ever.

I agree some of your analysis.

 

I disagree with the Corbyn bit.

 

It seems to be contingent upon that Corbyn's creed/philosophy of socialism is the accepted norm for Labour. And that to lose, but doing OK, is acceptable.

[birch-chorley]

Not really - I voted against strike action in the recent RCN members poll on action over pay. And I've never been into the 'class war' idea - not since I was about 16 anyway. Ultimately I think we stand or fall together as a nation. I'll vote Labour (this time) because I believe in an NHS that's free at the point of care, because I believe that violence causes more violence and war causes more war, because I believe in fairer distribution of wealth and because I think we'll be better if we maintain strong links with Europe. I also think that the economy will ultimately benefit if the austerity brakes are taken off.

The violence causes violence and war causes more war but

 

I think it could work either way

 

It's a widely held view that Hitler could have been beaten had the likes of Britain and France stepped in sooner when he invaded Chechoslovakia. If that's the case then many of the 50m lives lost in WW2 would have been saved and nuclear weapons never invented

 

Granted we don't know what's behind door number 2 but Corbyn's anti war stance is a bit naive

[Not in Crawley]

I agree some of your analysis.

 

I disagree with the Corbyn bit.

 

It seems to be contingent upon that Corbyn's creed/philosophy of socialism is the accepted norm for Labour. And that to lose, but doing OK, is acceptable.

Sorry, I was unclear. From his standing pre election has improved hugely outside of his most committed supporters. This, will be for the left of the party a vindication that they don't have to move to a more centrist agenda with a more election friendly candidate, if also it isn't a landslide then it will be a victory of sorts and a place that the party can rebuild from rather than the electoral irrelevance many were (and I include myself in that) predicting.

[Guest]

Sorry, I was unclear. From his standing pre election has improved hugely outside of his most committed supporters. This, will be for the left of the party a vindication that they don't have to move to a more centrist agenda with a more election friendly candidate, if also it isn't a landslide then it will be a victory of sorts and a place that the party can rebuild from rather than the electoral irrelevance many were (and I include myself in that) predicting.

Well, we'll see the results, but if they conclude that, then we've another 10 years of conservative government, at least. In my view. Additionally, the country needs a decent opposition

[Horwich]

Burnham is a cnut

Innnnnnn one

[mickbrown]

And have 5 years of Labour voters bleating that we have an unelected leader. Fuck that.

Well they'd be fuckwits.

 

Much like the fuckwits who bleated on about Brown.

[Mounts Kipper]

No one is dreaming, you don't just vote because the party you agree with has the best chance of forming a government.

 

It's interesting that when labour won I heard none of this lighting a cigar, laughing at the other side (although I'll admit I enjoyed a chuckle at Portillo losing his seat which I regret now as I love his programme on trains)

 

There seems to be an unhealthy obsession with some about rubbing a losers face in it. Elections aren't as simple as that.

 

If the conservatives don't get a huge majority it will be a failure, Corbyn has already won in many ways as he has had the strongest personal campaign, which means he probably won't step down until the Labour conference - or at all. Either way May is starting her new government on a weaker footing than she was before she called this election - she personally is under much more scrutiny than ever.

Celebrating a victory is different to rubbing someone's face in it. The UK needs a strong opposition but not one that will cripple the country like this left wing morning star Labour Party. A hung parliament would be worse case scenario going into Brexit I think that won't happen TM will get the majority she needs to crack on full speed ahead. Edited June 8, 2017 by Mounts Kipper

[Burndens Bogs]

Blue for me.

Although i'm not a massive Theresa May fan, the thought of Corbyn as our Prime Minister terrifies the shit out of me.

[Not in Crawley]

Celebrating a victory is different to rubbing someone's face in it. The UK needs a strong opposition but not one that will cripple the country like this left wing morning star Labour Party. A hung parliament would be worse case scenario going into Brexit I think that won't happen TM will get the majority she needs to crack on full speed ahead.

Go on - convince me why a hung parliament would be worse for Brexit? Why would the Labour Party cripple the country?

 

You have no idea what she wants from Brexit - none of us do.

 

The idea that everyone should shut up and allow her to 'crack on' is as naive as it is foolish.

Edited June 8, 2017 by Not in Crawley

[Escobarp]

I know a large number of historic labour voters who are voting Tory solely to prevent corbyn from becoming pm because of their perception of what he stands for and are genuinely frightened of what would happen if he did get in

[Not in Crawley]

I know a large number of historic labour voters who are voting Tory solely to prevent corbyn from becoming pm because of their perception of what he stands for and are genuinely frightened of what would happen if he did get in

Chimney sweeps, lamp lighters and tin miners?

[Escobarp]

Not quite

[jturner]

I know a large number of historic labour voters who are voting Tory

 

I know a load of bollox when I read it.

 

I 'm not voting but hope TM doesn't get the  landslide she gambled on

[mickbrown]

I know a load of bollox when I read it.

 

I 'm not voting but hope TM doesn't get the landslide she gambled on

If you don't want her to get a landslide, then get off your arse and go and vote.

 

Unless you are 12, then fair enough get back to your homework.