Politics

[bolty58]

12 hours ago, Spider said:

 

The visionaries are notable by their contributions.

 

I wonder if it's because we are bored shitless by whining fuckers who are incapable of accepting defeat graciously?

Better out - we should never have gone in.

[tomski]

31 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

I wonder if it's because we are bored shitless by whining fuckers who are incapable of accepting defeat graciously?

Better out - we should never have gone in.

He’s actually the only one who’s pointed any benefits out so far.

[Spider]

46 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

I wonder if it's because we are bored shitless by whining fuckers who are incapable of accepting defeat graciously?

Better out - we should never have gone in.

I think we’re long past the debate about who won. 5 years past it in fact.

The only people who go on about the result are the visionaries. Still crowing and giggling yet strangely reluctant to engage about the actual consequences.

Paul H tries at least.

[Spider]

16 minutes ago, tomski said:

48 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

I wonder if it's because we are bored shitless by whining fuckers who are incapable of accepting defeat graciously?

Better out - we should never have gone in.

Bolty I’ll give you an analogy that even you should understand

Imagine Bolton fans giving Chelsea’s finest an absolute showing up and down manny road . A total and complete hiding for the cockney fuckers.

Fucking result right?

Meanwhile, on the pitch, Bolton lose and a slipping towards relegation. A relegation that causes the club to spiral into a shitty storm of poor owners, poor managers and decline that is slow and agonising to watch.

Chelsea become a distant memory as our mob are faced with having to deal with the likes of Walsall and Grimsby just to get the blood pumping. A quality mob now feeding on scraps (both literal and metaphorical) every weekend.

 

[royal white]

On 09/09/2021 at 16:52, Casino said:

Theres no need for furlough at such high levels...80% whatever

The onus should be on those receiving it to mitigate their losses and find something temporary 

 

Wasn’t the 80% of a capped amount (I think £2500 a month) what about those who earn 4 grand a month? Or 5 grand a month. They wouldn’t agree that furlough was to high. 

[Not in Crawley]

4 hours ago, royal white said:

Wasn’t the 80% of a capped amount (I think £2500 a month) what about those who earn 4 grand a month? Or 5 grand a month. They wouldn’t agree that furlough was to high. 

Aye which is why I was glad my old placed topped it up, it wasn't much when you have outgoings based on your salary and then that just stops overnight.

[mickbrown]

And another cabinet fuckwit. 

 

 

[Carlos]

Just watched that, one of them has to be wrong, he's stating an absolute amount (10 hours), she's saying it's different for each person. It's so fundamental that I'm inclined to believe her, although he may be right in certain instances. How that makes the woman (no idea who she is) a fuckwit, I'm not entirely sure. But that's the problem with the left. All fart and no shit.

[Spider]

I worked 4 hours at the weekend for fuck all

[Cheese]

20 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Just watched that, one of them has to be wrong, he's stating an absolute amount (10 hours), she's saying it's different for each person. It's so fundamental that I'm inclined to believe her, although he may be right in certain instances. How that makes the woman (no idea who she is) a fuckwit, I'm not entirely sure. But that's the problem with the left. All fart and no shit.

This fella has done the working out.

 

[mickbrown]

26 minutes ago, Spider said:

I worked 4 hours at the weekend for fuck all

You need a new job then.

[mickbrown]

30 minutes ago, Carlos said:

Just watched that, one of them has to be wrong, he's stating an absolute amount (10 hours), she's saying it's different for each person. It's so fundamental that I'm inclined to believe her, although he may be right in certain instances. How that makes the woman (no idea who she is) a fuckwit, I'm not entirely sure. But that's the problem with the left. All fart and no shit.

She's the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions.

She should know this shit inside out. She doesn't. Therefore she is a fuckwit.

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

She's the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions.

She should know this shit inside out. She doesn't. Therefore she is a fuckwit.

She’s shite

But - and this is a bugbear of mine that applies to all politics - these people are given “jobs” in the cabinet and often have little or no knowledge of the subject they are in control of.

Chris Green, our local MP, could one day become the chancellor. Last I checked, he hadn’t run a bank or worked his way to the top of the financial services sector by graft and sweat.

Its relatively easy to pick these people off with very specific questions because of the massive breadth of what they do.

Dont get me wrong, taking £20 off people without a pot to piss in is a seriously dark action, but looking at the exchange in isolation, it’s a bit bollocks really.

[mickbrown]

31 minutes ago, Spider said:

She’s shite

But - and this is a bugbear of mine that applies to all politics - these people are given “jobs” in the cabinet and often have little or no knowledge of the subject they are in control of.

Chris Green, our local MP, could one day become the chancellor. Last I checked, he hadn’t run a bank or worked his way to the top of the financial services sector by graft and sweat.

Its relatively easy to pick these people off with very specific questions because of the massive breadth of what they do.

Dont get me wrong, taking £20 off people without a pot to piss in is a seriously dark action, but looking at the exchange in isolation, it’s a bit bollocks really.

She dug the hole. Course the opposition are going to chuck her in.

Don't go on national TV and talk bollocks and you won't get made to look a dick in parliament.

[HowfenWHITES]

11 minutes ago, Spider said:

She’s shite

But - and this is a bugbear of mine that applies to all politics - these people are given “jobs” in the cabinet and often have little or no knowledge of the subject they are in control of.

Chris Green, our local MP, could one day become the chancellor. Last I checked, he hadn’t run a bank or worked his way to the top of the financial services sector by graft and sweat.

Its relatively easy to pick these people off with very specific questions because of the massive breadth of what they do.

Dont get me wrong, taking £20 off people without a pot to piss in is a seriously dark action, but looking at the exchange in isolation, it’s a bit bollocks really.

On the Chris Green point, the "talent" pool within politics is very small, and for good reason. The money is poor (considering the cash that can be earnt by successful people elsewhere), and the pressure from being in the public eye is horrific. If you have the skills to go far in life career wise, you can make loads more money elsewhere. 

No career / money motivated person wants to work in Politics.

[Not in Crawley]

34 minutes ago, Spider said:

She’s shite

But - and this is a bugbear of mine that applies to all politics - these people are given “jobs” in the cabinet and often have little or no knowledge of the subject they are in control of.

Chris Green, our local MP, could one day become the chancellor. Last I checked, he hadn’t run a bank or worked his way to the top of the financial services sector by graft and sweat.

Its relatively easy to pick these people off with very specific questions because of the massive breadth of what they do.

Dont get me wrong, taking £20 off people without a pot to piss in is a seriously dark action, but looking at the exchange in isolation, it’s a bit bollocks really.

That's what the civil service are for. Or rather they started to become when sections got professionalised (this ended when the Tories came to power but they still retained what Labour has implimented) so in 97 added to those who had to have a law qualification were communications (you can't just be a generalist to work in comms in the civil.service - you need your CDPR or other professional equivalent) sort of shows where New Labour's focus was.

But still, most Grade As or SCS are generalists, so you can head up DCMS one day and Health the next, they generally switch round. So government runs smoothly, the policies are somewhat wonky mind.

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, HowfenWHITES said:

On the Chris Green point, the "talent" pool within politics is very small, and for good reason. The money is poor (considering the cash that can be earnt by successful people elsewhere), and the pressure from being in the public eye is horrific. If you have the skills to go far in life career wise, you can make loads more money elsewhere. 

No career / money motivated person wants to work in Politics.

[Not in Crawley]

4 minutes ago, HowfenWHITES said:

On the Chris Green point, the "talent" pool within politics is very small, and for good reason. The money is poor (considering the cash that can be earnt by successful people elsewhere), and the pressure from being in the public eye is horrific. If you have the skills to go far in life career wise, you can make loads more money elsewhere. 

No career / money motivated person wants to work in Politics.

Well that's bollocks. If that were true everyone within politics would be driven by an innate need for the public good and that's obviously not the case and the idea that the brains all leak out to just make money is nonsense as well. Look at academia, scientific research, you don't find many millionaires there. Being rich has sometimes very little to do with intelligence.

Some seek public office because they do want to change things, some because they would like influence and power. Its gives a ambition a huge boost - and has since the beginning of time. The idea that a front bench or cabinet is the top of the pool of MPs is the misleading thing. People are put into these positions to sure up an agenda by the leader. Which is why we've got the weakest cabinet in a long time. There are many bright, talented and hardworking Conservative MPs, they currently are not being given the oxygen of publicity and are quietly lining up behind Sunak it would appear.

 

[Traf]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Dont get me wrong, taking £20 off people without a pot to piss in is a seriously dark action, but looking at the exchange in isolation, it’s a bit bollocks really.

To make up the £20, they have to generate £55 to £70 in extra income, so 6 to 8 hrs extra work

Oh, and NI went up too.

[Spider]

4 minutes ago, Traf said:

To make up the £20, they have to generate £55 to £70 in extra income, so 6 to 8 hrs extra work

Oh, and NI went up too.

It’s a disgraceful thing to have done.

my point really is that Theresa Coffey has a phd in chemistry and has just been an MP for a while. I just don’t see how she gets to run the nations work and pensions division 

[Not in Crawley]

7 minutes ago, Traf said:

To make up the £20, they have to generate £55 to £70 in extra income, so 6 to 8 hrs extra work

Oh, and NI went up too.

Wow, thats really fucking crap.

I hadn't realised it was that bad.

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, mickbrown said:

And another cabinet fuckwit. 

 

 

I still can't get my head around how someone in work needs state support.

Something fundamentally wrong here

 

[Cheese]

53 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I still can't get my head around how someone in work needs state support.

Something fundamentally wrong here

The UK 🤷‍♂️ A first world country going backwards.

[bolty58]

9 hours ago, Spider said:

Bolty I’ll give you an analogy that even you should understand

Imagine Bolton fans giving Chelsea’s finest an absolute showing up and down manny road . A total and complete hiding for the cockney fuckers.

Fucking result right?

Meanwhile, on the pitch, Bolton lose and a slipping towards relegation. A relegation that causes the club to spiral into a shitty storm of poor owners, poor managers and decline that is slow and agonising to watch.

Chelsea become a distant memory as our mob are faced with having to deal with the likes of Walsall and Grimsby just to get the blood pumping. A quality mob now feeding on scraps (both literal and metaphorical) every weekend.

 

In your eyes only. Pointless raking over old ground of freedom from overbearing bureaucracy etc. It is a few remainers who keep trying to re light the fuse from what I can see.

FFS let it go and get the fuck on with it.

[Spider]

12 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

In your eyes only. Pointless raking over old ground of freedom from overbearing bureaucracy etc. It is a few remainers who keep trying to re light the fuse from what I can see.

FFS let it go and get the fuck on with it.

Righto.

 

as an aside

Do you deal with copper mining? Chuck some spare cash at copper, it’s about to get more valuable than saffron.