bwfcfan5 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 3 hours ago, madthatter said: Jacob RM summed this up nicely - after a general election if you vote Tory and Labour get in you don't push for another GE before they've had chance to govern. It's the same with Brexit. We have to act on the decision first before we can vote to change the result. That's how democracy works. If we just have vote after vote after vote nowt would get done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 This sums up the state we are in..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted February 27, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Salford Trotter said: Not the DUP and ERG MPs.. Take your pick after that 1 hour ago, Moon boy said: Just say you’re talking bollocks Is it bollocks or is it just *TLAs? (*Three Letter Acronyms) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted February 27, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Salford Trotter said: Not the DUP and ERG MPs.. Take your pick after that 1 hour ago, Moon boy said: Just say you’re talking bollocks Is it bollocks or is it just *TLAs? (*Three Letter Acronyms) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted February 27, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Salford Trotter said: Not the DUP and ERG MPs.. Take your pick after that 1 hour ago, Moon boy said: Just say you’re talking bollocks Is it bollocks or is it just *TLAs? (*Three Letter Acronyms) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted February 27, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2019 Fucking hell, I've had plenty of double posts but a triple? I think this is a first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Moon boy said: Just say you’re talking bollocks I'm not talking bollocks but you are entitled to your opinion and guess what? I am too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ani said: oh and by the way if May gets the result over-turned and we remain and she then steps down she will be judged by history as one of the greatest politicians of all time. I do not agree with that but it will happen. If that happened she would be judged as the worst politician of all time one who failed democracy, one who will have managed to break parliament as not fit for purpose, one who will have broken the Tory party, the stain on her personally would be on a level rarely experienced by any other politician. I think she is a very decent person (useless pm) and hope that she does not have that cross to bare. Edited February 27, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 6 hours ago, madthatter said: Jacob RM summed this up nicely - after a general election if you vote Tory and Labour get in you don't push for another GE before they've had chance to govern. It's the same with Brexit. We have to act on the decision first before we can vote to change the result. That's how democracy works. If we just have vote after vote after vote nowt would get done. Aside from (a) the valid points raised by other posters above and (b) the fact the vote wasn’t anything like a general election, the government has been given the opportunity to obtain a Brexit deal in accordance with the referendum result. They set themselves the deadline of 29 March to do so. If May’s deal is rejected by Parliament because it is not in the interests of the UK, then arguably they have had their chance to effect the will of the people and have failed to do so in an acceptable way. That would fit in with JRM’s analysis. They had their chance and failed. I appreciate that many leavers will say that we should exit with no deal, which would be following up on result of the referendum, but many leavers want to avoid a no deal. Given the uncertainty and the differing views over a no deal, if the government fail to deliver a Brexit deal why is it not then fair game to go back to a public vote to ask whether they want to exit with no deal or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 27, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2019 I'm worried about Mounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Spider said: I'm worried about Mounts. Don’t worry about me I’m feeling just fine, whatever happens I’ll be tickety boo. I’m a 60s kid seen much worse. Thanks for caring. x Edited February 27, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 22 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Tom Watson pushed it somewhat over the anti-Semitism wrangle. Seems a decent enough bloke, even if we might differ politically. That however is at odds with the extreme elements within the party. Chris Williamson suspended from Momentum....oops, I meant the Labour Party. Will we have anyone left in Parliament to sort Brexit out by March 29th ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: If that happened she would be judged as the worst politician of all time one who failed democracy, one who will have managed to break parliament as not fit for purpose, one who will have broken the Tory party, the stain on her personally would be on a level rarely experienced by any other politician. I think she is a very decent person (useless pm) and hope that she does not have that cross to bare. Failed democracy = got outcome ratified by the people. Break parliament = gave them the say in how the result was delivered broken Tory party = saved them from ERG she has taken a job no brexiteer wanted and might deliver a solution to the fact there should never have been a referendum. Doing the one thing others are scared of - making herself unpopular in the short term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Ani said: Failed democracy = got outcome ratified by the people. Break parliament = gave them the say in how the result was delivered broken Tory party = saved them from ERG she has taken a job no brexiteer wanted and might deliver a solution to the fact there should never have been a referendum. Doing the one thing others are scared of - making herself unpopular in the short term. May is about as popular as my presence in a Wahhabi funded mosque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Ani said: Failed democracy = got outcome ratified by the people. Attempting to reverse democracy. Break parliament = gave them the say in how the result was delivered allowing parliament to ride roughshod over the referendum and the public, can only lead to a lack of faith in democracy. . broken Tory party = saved them from ERG Siding with the section of the party who lost the vote. Won’t end well for the Tory party. she has taken a job no brexiteer wanted and might deliver a solution to the fact there should never have been a referendum. The fact that 17.4 million voted to leave makes the above statement ridiculous. Doing the one thing others are scared of - making herself unpopular in the short term. Furthermore your assumption that it was going to be a clusterfuck wasn’t the reason you voted to remain your pension pot was. Edited February 27, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 27, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Chris Williamson suspended from Momentum....oops, I meant the Labour Party. Will we have anyone left in Parliament to sort Brexit out by March 29th ? Caught the opening exchanges on pmqs. The usual butfuckery, but May lambasted the cunt opposite for not suspending him. All of a sudden... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: Caught the opening exchanges on pmqs. The usual butfuckery, but May lambasted the cunt opposite for not suspending him. All of a sudden... Reminds me of the old song....a bloody big pudding come flying through the air .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 27, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2019 I always knew it as a dirty black pudding! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Furthermore your assumption that it was going to be a clusterfuck wasn’t the reason you voted to remain your pension pot was. The fact it would be a clusterfuck drives the pension fund down. Pretty simple. There should not have been a referendum because it was not a yes/no answer. Do you really think this going well for the country ? The only politician offering a solution is May ( unless you believe Corbyn has a good secret plan). I do not like the woman but where is Boris ? Surely after 2 years he has come up with something. MPs clearly want a deal of some sort so we have 3 options. Stay in, leave with deal and leave no deal. If there is a referendum giving those choices which one wins ? 48% voted Remain first time. You will need over 33% to be most popular option. So you need at least 16% less to vote leave or Remain wins. The MPs worried about their seats won’t vote Remain so they push for a second vote or accept Mays deal. Which do you prefer ? Of the 3 options ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jol_BWFC said: Aside from (a) the valid points raised by other posters above and (b) the fact the vote wasn’t anything like a general election, the government has been given the opportunity to obtain a Brexit deal in accordance with the referendum result. They set themselves the deadline of 29 March to do so. If May’s deal is rejected by Parliament because it is not in the interests of the UK, then arguably they have had their chance to effect the will of the people and have failed to do so in an acceptable way. That would fit in with JRM’s analysis. They had their chance and failed. I appreciate that many leavers will say that we should exit with no deal, which would be following up on result of the referendum, but many leavers want to avoid a no deal. Given the uncertainty and the differing views over a no deal, if the government fail to deliver a Brexit deal why is it not then fair game to go back to a public vote to ask whether they want to exit with no deal or not? That sounds reasonable, so if we have another peoples vote with the two options, TM’s deal or a ‘no deal’ Brexit, let’s see what the outcome is Edited February 27, 2019 by Moon boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted February 27, 2019 Author Share Posted February 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I always knew it as a dirty black pudding! PC rules these days old chap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Ani said: The fact it would be a clusterfuck drives the pension fund down. Pretty simple. There should not have been a referendum because it was not a yes/no answer. Do you really think this going well for the country ? The only politician offering a solution is May ( unless you believe Corbyn has a good secret plan). I do not like the woman but where is Boris ? Surely after 2 years he has come up with something. MPs clearly want a deal of some sort so we have 3 options. Stay in, leave with deal and leave no deal. If there is a referendum giving those choices which one wins ? 48% voted Remain first time. You will need over 33% to be most popular option. So you need at least 16% less to vote leave or Remain wins. The MPs worried about their seats won’t vote Remain so they push for a second vote or accept Mays deal. Which do you prefer ? Of the 3 options ? What has going well got to do with anything? And because it’s become more difficult than it should be does that mean we throw the towel in? The majority of the British public want the referendum upheld, my preference is not to have a second vote, because it’ll be even more divisive than the first and will solve nothing. We cannot allow the EU to influence and bully us in an attempt to subjugate the will of the British public and our democracy, like they have with every other country who has attempted to leave, we as a country must see this through. My preference is for the government to get TM WA deal through parliament, all be it with a tweak on the backstop. Edited February 27, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Moon boy said: That sounds reasonable, so if we have another peoples vote with the two options, TM’s deal or a ‘no deal’ Brexit, let’s see what the outcome is TM’s deal is not one of the options to which I referred. If Parliament has rejected May’s deal then that shouldn’t be an option on any second referendum (if there was to be one). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: TM’s deal is not one of the options to which I referred. If Parliament has rejected May’s deal then that shouldn’t be an option on any second referendum (if there was to be one). The people rejected remain, so ........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 27, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said: The people rejected remain, so ........... Beat me to it! Second referendum options: Remain Remain Remain with the Euro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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