Site Supporter Spider Posted February 15, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, globaldiver said: Quite. And to break up our country should involve a vote of all of the people, not merely those who happen to be living in a part of it at a given moment in time. We’re not breaking up a country. It’s a Union. There’s a European one if you need a convenient reference point 🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Spider said: We’re not breaking up a country. It’s a Union. There’s a European one if you need a convenient reference point 🙃 No, you are wrong. Fact, it is a country. Look it up. And completely different to the EU. Edited February 15, 2023 by globaldiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 15, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, globaldiver said: No, you are wrong. Fact, it is a country. Look it up. And completely different to the EU. Scotland isn’t a country then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 29 minutes ago, Spider said: If it’s the will of the people, then no one should stand in their way. Even if it’s only 52% of them. And why is it overwhelmingly the will of their people? Because Westminster has treated Scotland with total derision and taken them out of the EU against their will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 15, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Farrelli said: And why is it overwhelmingly the will of their people? Because Westminster has treated Scotland with total derision and taken them out of the EU against their will. And aren’t even regarded as a country anymore its no wonder they’re pissed off. Edited February 15, 2023 by Spider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted February 15, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2023 I always thought Scotland was a country but not an independent sovereign state according to the UN? Hence the UK of GB & NI being made up of 4 countries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Spider said: And aren’t even regarded as a country anymore its no wonder they’re pissed off. Aye. Who beat England at Twickenham the other week ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 15, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted February 15, 2023 For what it’s worth, I’d fckin hate for the UK to be broken up, especially given that I’m 50% Scottish anyway. However, we know how important the will of the people is, and all Sturgeon has done is keep that will in the spotlight. Fortunately, the last vote went the way I personally wanted it to. But, as always, things change. And we must adapt. We must just get on with it. It is, as we know, what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Ruba Mustafa said: That’s got to be up there as one of your best ever quotes , 😂😂😂 Altho I don’t read much of ur crap so there’s probably lots more 😁 time to sign in as one of ur other alter egos ? 🎣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Next First Minister JAZZA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, little whitt said: Next First Minister JAZZA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesince63 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 21 minutes ago, Spider said: For what it’s worth, I’d fckin hate for the UK to be broken up, especially given that I’m 50% Scottish anyway. However, we know how important the will of the people is, and all Sturgeon has done is keep that will in the spotlight. Fortunately, the last vote went the way I personally wanted it to. But, as always, things change. And we must adapt. We must just get on with it. It is, as we know, what it is. Yo, finally something we’re aligned on Spider!! I’m 50% Scots too and in fact if you look at many families in all four UK countries I bet you’d find mixes in most of us so like you I believe we’re much better together. That’s why Scotland voting to Remain is really pointless because it was a UK wide vote. I have no problem with Nationalists wanting Independence but they have to accept that the last time it was voted on the stay togethers won and I’m sure if Scots born in the rest of the UK were included, the margin would have been even bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted February 15, 2023 Members Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Farrelli said: And why is it overwhelmingly the will of their people? Because Westminster has treated Scotland with total derision and taken them out of the EU against their will. It's not the overwhelming will of the people, though Polls regularly indicate more people in Scotland would vote against independence than in favour of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted February 15, 2023 Members Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Farrelli said: And why is it overwhelmingly the will of their people? Because Westminster has treated Scotland with total derision and taken them out of the EU against their will. Wasn't it a collective vote to either remain or leave? IE all in or all out? You could pick individual cities or regions that voted to remain but then say they were taken out against their will? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globaldiver Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: Wasn't it a collective vote to either remain or leave? IE all in or all out? You could pick individual cities or regions that voted to remain but then say they were taken out against their will? Indeed, there was one constituency in the referendum; the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, DirtySanchez said: Wasn't it a collective vote to either remain or leave? IE all in or all out? You could pick individual cities or regions that voted to remain but then say they were taken out against their will? Of course but it is undeniable that the individual nations brexit vote share is significant. Hence, separation from the UK is mooted for both Northern Ireland and Scotland. In Northern Ireland’s case brexit is completely unworkable and totally at odds with the GFA. Edited February 15, 2023 by Farrelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted February 15, 2023 Members Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Of course but it is undeniable that the individual nations brexit vote share is significant. Hence, separation from the UK is muted for both Northern Ireland and Scotland. In Northern Ireland’s case brexit is completely unworkable and totally at odds with the GFA. How did Scotland's last vote on separation from the UK go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: How did Scotland's last vote on separation from the UK go? It was pre-brexit and pre Boris Johnson. It’s fair to say those were big influences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted February 15, 2023 Members Share Posted February 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Farrelli said: It was pre-brexit and pre Boris Johnson. It’s fair to say those were big influences So you're saying if there was a vote tomorrow they would vote for independence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, DirtySanchez said: So you're saying if there was a vote tomorrow they would vote for independence? No idea but it would be close. Incidentally I do not want Scotland to leave the UK but I can understand why they would after 13 years of Tory government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted February 15, 2023 Members Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Farrelli said: No idea but it would be close. Incidentally I do not want Scotland to leave the UK but I can understand why they would after 13 years of Tory government. You said it was overwhelmingly the will of their people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: You said it was overwhelmingly the will of their people I think it is right now but there is no date for a referendum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted February 15, 2023 Members Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Farrelli said: I think it is right now but there is no date for a referendum So is it close or is it overwhelming? You've said both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said: So is it close or is it overwhelming? You've said both You are struggling aren’t you? if there was a vote tomorrow it would be overwhelmingly for independence IMO. as there is no date yet on a vote it is impossible to predict the outcome. got it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 9 hours ago, Winchester White said: Compare that resignation speech with Truss' without any coloured lenses in your spectacles. I don't agree with Sturgeon on a number of issues but she resigned with dignity unlike a couple of PMs very recently. This about sums it up for me. She’s streets ahead of anyone the Tories have had leading in the last 12 years. Lots of misinformation on here, particularly around polls and public opinion. The electoral success she’s had under that party has been remarkable and it’s not looking like stopping anytime soon. Probs not someone I’ll vote for unless it’s a referendum but she’s well liked by the majority up here and always will be respected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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