royal white Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 12 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Hey if RW wants to start quoting the loony left fringe like the Newham independents so be it. Not be long before he's on a free Palestine march. One week I’m following some nutter right wing accounts other weeks it’s the “loony left” 😂 it’s the context. Theres plenty of Labour supporters on these platforms saying the same, but hey they will probably be classed as loony left now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted February 9 Site Supporter Share Posted February 9 So you can just make shit up like 40 hospitals and that's all fine, but the opposition party drops a pledge due to lack of money and they are jumped on. Aye OK, that makes sense. 🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, Cheese said: So how are we similar to the US then? Read my post again. I couldn’t have made it anymore simple. (For the likes of you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, deeane Koontz said: It's fair to point out with the amount of U turns Starmer has made. It makes you look like a bit of a sausage to brush them under the rug The old adage to become leader by appealing to the party, you become PM by appealing to the people spring to mind. Give me a pragmatist rather than a slave to ideology any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Winchester White said: So you can just make shit up like 40 hospitals and that's all fine, but the opposition party drops a pledge due to lack of money and they are jumped on. Aye OK, that makes sense. 🤨 It’s not fine though is it, and it’s been brought up dozens of times on here (probably by spider alone). Are the Labour Party not allowed to be criticised? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, royal white said: One week I’m following some nutter right wing accounts other weeks it’s the “loony left” 😂 it’s the context. Theres plenty of Labour supporters on these platforms saying the same, but hey they will probably be classed as loony left now. Exactly my point good sir, when entrenched the end of the margins always meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 9 Site Supporter Share Posted February 9 I’ve only ever voted labour once, by the way. But the sheer scale of fucking about the Tories have done for 14 years makes them unelectable. There should be no reward for failure. A true Tory value of ever there was one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 08/02/2024 at 14:34, Not in Crawley said: Dentist on newcast explains the problem - its not something I was hugely aware of in terms of how Dentists get paid for NHS work. Paddy touched on it last night. But basically all dentists have contracts for NHS work. They do say 1000 ‘units’ a year which will equate to say 200 patients. Working off an average of 2 check ups and resultant treatments. If they do more than 1000 units they do not get paid anymore, if they do less it is clawed back. This leaves them a set amount of time for non NHS work. One of the issues with the contracts is that as you say they get paid per treatment so 1 filling is same pay as 5. So taking on extra NHS work earns them nothing. Now these contracts were introduced by Blair but have not been properly updated for years. This rests solely with the Govt, the Tory on QT acknowledged last night the work needed doing. It is an area that has just been neglected for years. Again was mentioned last night that despite all the bluster on the subject and the financial mess they underspent in this area by over £400m last year. My last job was working for a medical/dental indemnity business who along with the GDC have been lobbying for years for action and fuck all happened, gradually situation has got worse till it reached breaking point. Dentists are hardly the most radical group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted February 9 Site Supporter Share Posted February 9 4 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said: It's fair to point out the amount of U turns Starmer has made. It makes you look like a bit of a sausage to brush them under the rug I think you make a fair point in that he has made quite a few. I would expect some firm commitments once we get into election season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted February 9 Site Supporter Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, royal white said: It’s not fine though is it, and it’s been brought up dozens of times on here (probably by spider alone). Are the Labour Party not allowed to be criticised? Of course they are and they have made some u-turns or dilutions of policies for sure, but they aren't the ones in control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Winchester White said: Of course they are and they have made some u-turns or dilutions of policies for sure, but they aren't the ones in control. And it’s surely not the best way of getting in control is it? Making dozens of broken promises before they even get in the hot seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 The party of fiscal responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 9 Site Supporter Share Posted February 9 Just now, royal white said: And it’s surely not the best way of getting in control is it? Making dozens of broken promises before they even get in the hot seat. How many dozen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, royal white said: It’s not fine though is it, and it’s been brought up dozens of times on here (probably by spider alone). Are the Labour Party not allowed to be criticised? From my experience, no. They are going to be the next government but people on here get upset when they are criticised. Personally, I’d like to know what’s coming. Not everyone thinks the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted February 9 Moderators Share Posted February 9 in tory top cunts, we have a new entry this week with chris philp hes been bubbling under for a while, but this week, he's in at number 18 we are going to ban face coverings on protest marches theyll say theyve got covid well thats for the police to decide what, theyll take covid kits and do a test? well, erm, no, itll be up to the individual to prove it in court no, no it fucking will not, you gormless prick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Ani said: Paddy touched on it last night. But basically all dentists have contracts for NHS work. They do say 1000 ‘units’ a year which will equate to say 200 patients. Working off an average of 2 check ups and resultant treatments. If they do more than 1000 units they do not get paid anymore, if they do less it is clawed back. This leaves them a set amount of time for non NHS work. One of the issues with the contracts is that as you say they get paid per treatment so 1 filling is same pay as 5. So taking on extra NHS work earns them nothing. Now these contracts were introduced by Blair but have not been properly updated for years. This rests solely with the Govt, the Tory on QT acknowledged last night the work needed doing. It is an area that has just been neglected for years. Again was mentioned last night that despite all the bluster on the subject and the financial mess they underspent in this area by over £400m last year. My last job was working for a medical/dental indemnity business who along with the GDC have been lobbying for years for action and fuck all happened, gradually situation has got worse till it reached breaking point. Dentists are hardly the most radical group. Indeed - also didn't realise that we do have enough dentists in the country it's just the system that needs changing. Did think it was a bit odd though that he said his old fella pulled his teeth out with pilers a few years ago. Surely, given his money he could have paid for private health dental treatment. Seemed a bit man of the people for me. Although he came across better than I thought he would after his opening joke which was a bit wince inducing. Anyway, feel a bit odd as I registered yesterday and got my first check up on the 6th March. The dentist is a woman from Poland - bloody immigrants, coming over here, fixing our teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 minutes ago, Spider said: How many dozen? A bakers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 9 Site Supporter Share Posted February 9 Just now, royal white said: A bakers Just now, royal white said: A bakers 156 promises? Thats a lot isn’t it? The one from yesterday we know about, what are the other 155? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: From my experience, no. They are going to be the next government but people on here get upset when they are criticised. Personally, I’d like to know what’s coming. Not everyone thinks the same. Of course they are. Like both major parties they have a huge range of opinions. I stopped paying my subs as soon as Corybn came to be leader. Utterly useless, allowed anti semitism to grow, anti the EU and a hopeless leader. I certainly didn't double down and defend their policies and didn't vote for them.during this period as the right wing of the Labour party was totally shut down and just allowed an incompetent Conservative government to come into power. If Labour had presided over the last 14 years there would be no way they would be getting my vote and I certainly wouldn't be defending them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 minutes ago, Spider said: 156 promises? Thats a lot isn’t it? The one from yesterday we know about, what are the other 155? 156? Who said that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted February 9 Moderators Share Posted February 9 5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: From my experience, no. They are going to be the next government but people on here get upset when they are criticised. Personally, I’d like to know what’s coming. Not everyone thinks the same. you needing to know whats coming is what gets them in a mess boby yeah, but what are you going to do in 4 years starmer well, we will do this truss crashes economy starmer sorry, cant do that any more boby doh, flip flop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DirtySanchez Posted February 9 Members Share Posted February 9 5 minutes ago, Casino said: in tory top cunts, we have a new entry this week with chris philp hes been bubbling under for a while, but this week, he's in at number 18 we are going to ban face coverings on protest marches theyll say theyve got covid well thats for the police to decide what, theyll take covid kits and do a test? well, erm, no, itll be up to the individual to prove it in court no, no it fucking will not, you gormless prick I used to work in Chris Philp's consistuency He's a bell end who really doesn't have a clue And he's like a wooden version of Jeremy Hunt, which is no compliment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted February 9 Moderators Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, DirtySanchez said: I used to work in Chris Philp's consistuency He's a bell end who really doesn't have a clue And he's like a wooden version of Jeremy Hunt, which is no compliment ive never forgiven him that saying its all about risk taking, entrepeneurs are great, the rest of us are plodders cheeky twat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeane Koontz Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Just now, Not in Crawley said: The old adage to become leader by appealing to the party, you become PM by appealing to the people spring to mind. Give me a pragmatist rather than a slave to ideology any day of the week. When you repeatedly go back on your pledges/commitments it makes you seem untrustworthy. And people will stop believing them in the first place. There's a pattern here. And it's not a positive one 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobyBrno Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Casino said: you needing to know whats coming is what gets them in a mess boby yeah, but what are you going to do in 4 years starmer well, we will do this truss crashes economy starmer sorry, cant do that any more boby doh, flip flop Not a clue! I’ll go away again. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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