Politics

[kent_white]

4 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Why not? You genuinely believe you can’t go and live in an eu country with your skillset? You could go anywhere  in the world 

I should imagine it will become a lot more difficult for me to go and work anywhere in the EU post Brexit.

There's thousands of Spanish nurses looking for jobs abroad. They'll be right to the front of the queue nowadays. 

Plus - I wouldn't want to have emigrated. Could have just seen myself doing 6 months to a year. Especially in my younger days. 

[kent_white]

Just now, Mr Grey said:

Germany was one of the top 5 countries in the world for a foreigner to gain citizenship, even when we was part of the EU, I suspect nothings changed.

 

I don't want citizenship. I just fancied working in Berlin for a while. 

To be fair - that's less likely now I've a little lad anyway.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Apologies, you're right - it wasn't in the WA itself - it was in the Political Declaration that accompanied the WA, which Johnson signed up to.

I did wonder.

And there’s me thinking I could trust you on all matters technical concerning the EU

😅

[Winchester White]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

See my earlier Fact Checker about “oven ready “

I agree, however you have to concede the WA was the basis on which our future talks would proceed.

[Guest]

Just now, kent_white said:

I don't want citizenship. I just fancied working in Berlin for a while. 

To be fair - that's less likely now I've a little lad anyway.

So, whatcha moaning about, then?!

😀

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Apologies, you're right - it wasn't in the WA itself - it was in the Political Declaration that accompanied the WA, which Johnson signed up to.

Interesting that. Can you point me to where it states within the PD that penalties and enforcement can occur without an independent body opining on if a breach has occurred? Thanks in advance. 
 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/840656/Political_Declaration_setting_out_the_framework_for_the_future_relationship_between_the_European_Union_and_the_United_Kingdom.pdf

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I don't want citizenship. I just fancied working in Berlin for a while. 

To be fair - that's less likely now I've a little lad anyway.

Why would you need citizenship? 
 

i ask because I’ve potentially got an opportunity to work in Germany next year for a few months and I’ve heard nothing around needing it? Just a working visa 

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Interesting that. Can you point me to where it states within the PD that penalties and enforcement can occur without an independent body opining on if a breach has occurred? Thanks in advance. 
 

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/840656/Political_Declaration_setting_out_the_framework_for_the_future_relationship_between_the_European_Union_and_the_United_Kingdom.pdf

It doesn't. Can you point me to where the EU have stated that they will enforce penalties without the involvement of an independant body?

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It doesn't. Can you point me to where the EU have stated that they will enforce penalties without the involvement of an independant body?

I’m only going off what has been said by the up government as to what the stumbling blocks are. I’m not the one claiming it’s what the government signed upto am i? 
 

It was you that has just specifically stated (incorrectly) that this was contained firstly with the WA and then incorrectly stated it was actually within the PD. 
 

if you’re going to make these statements please do so knowing your onions and checking it’s actually correct before some knobhead on a football forum proves you wrong. 
 

im Not one for gloating. But BOOM! 😁
 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I’m only going off what has been said by the up government as to what the stumbling blocks are. I’m not the one claiming it’s what the government signed upto am i? 
 

It was you that has just specifically stated (incorrectly) that this was contained firstly with the WA and then incorrectly stated it was actually within the PD. 
 

if you’re going to make these statements please do so knowing your onions and checking it’s actually correct before some knobhead on a football forum proves you wrong. 
 

im Not one for gloating. But BOOM! 😁
 

But we did sign up to a Level Playing Field in the PD?

[Winchester White]

To be fair, the WA and the PD are inextricably tied together. Even the AG at the time said so.

Tis easy to mix them up ☺

[tomski]

1 hour ago, Boby Brno said:

This argument about other countries following our lead if we leave with a good deal doesn’t add up to me. We were/are the second highest contributor after Germany. Most of the countries are net beneficiaries. Only 10 contributors. I can’t see France or Germany wanting to exit so it doesn’t leave many. We’ve always been a bit remote from Europe because of the geography and our relationship with the US. Politically, I doubt many in Europe would be sad to see us go. Without a deal, many in Europe would be very worried economically.

I think brexit is a good example that economic policy will matter little on people/nations way of thinking.

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

But we did sign up to a Level Playing Field in the PD?

I’m not disputing that we did. Or if I am can you point me to where I’ve said so? A level playing field is essential. 
 

but to be able to enforce Any penalities for a breach without ratifying a breach actually has occurred is nonsense and absolutely unheard of. 

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Winchester White said:

To be fair, the WA and the PD are inextricably tied together. Even the AG at the time said so.

Tis easy to mix them up ☺

And what if neither back up the point that has been made? What then? 😁

[Cheese]

 

13 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

It was you that has just specifically stated (incorrectly) that this was contained firstly with the WA and then incorrectly stated it was actually within the PD.

 

8 minutes ago, Cheese said:

But we did sign up to a Level Playing Field in the PD?

 

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I’m not disputing that we did. Or if I am can you point me to where I’ve said so? A level playing field is essential. 

There you go.

[Dimron]

If my arse was on the line like our tatty head PM's I'd push it to the line and then do what the French do... simply sign the bit of paper and ignore the new rules, to quote: "sacre bleu oui is a republic and we own le guillotine".

Give a Brit a rule and we'll follow it and queue around the block. give the same rule to a frog and he'll say so what?

[Escobarp]

Just now, Cheese said:

 

 

 

There you go.

It’s not within the PD. Please stop embarrassing yourself now. My point was specifically in relation to the ability of enforce in the event of a breach without the breach having been ratified. 

[Cheese]

Just now, Escobarp said:

It’s not within the PD. Please stop embarrassing yourself now. My point was specifically in relation to the ability of enforce in the event of a breach without the breach having been ratified. 

But it is. You even said that you're not disputing it. You have no evidence to back up the "specific point" you're making.

[Escobarp]

9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

But it is. You even said that you're not disputing it. You have no evidence to back up the "specific point" you're making.

Where within the PD does it say that the eu can enforce without an independent body ratifying the breach? That’s my point. You’ve admitted it isn’t there. So please stop showing yourself up now. 

[Spider]

Stockpiling.

Mentioned it the other day.

When do we start?

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Where within the PD does it say that the eu can enforce without an independent body ratifying the breach? That’s my point. You’ve admitted it isn’t there. So please stop showing yourself up now. 

As I said, it doesn't say that, but it does sign us up to the "Level Playing Field", which you told me it didn't, then admitted it did, then said it didn't again. Where is your evidence for this "the EU will be able to enforce penalties without an independent body bla bla bla" bullshit? I'm guessing Raab..

Edited December 13, 2020 by Cheese

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[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

As I said, it doesn't say that, but it does sign us up to the "Level Playing Field", which you told me it didn't, then admitted it did, then said it didn't again. Where is your evidence for this "the EU will be able to enforce penalties without an independent body bla bla bla" bullshit? I'm guessing Raab..

Someone on radio 2. Can’t remember who it was but it’s also been reported on various platforms but it’s just possibly just speculation or rumors who knows. What im Not doing , unlike you , is telling someone it’s contained within a legal document and then when that’s proven to be incorrect change it to another legal document only to be proven wrong yet again   Like I said you need to actually read these docs first before hanging your hat on them and quoting them as evidence of your point. 

[Escobarp]

Interesting viewpoint this 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1371655/brexit-latest-france-emmanuel-macron-boris-johnson-no-deal

[Escobarp]

It’s a bit dated in terms of when written but I found this interesting. 
 

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2020/03/18/long-read-the-problem-of-the-level-playing-field-and-how-it-might-be-overcome/