Politics

[birch-chorley]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Can we not just ask them if we can come back?

Or even at a later date when its turned to shit and everybody is starving to death?

Piece in the Times yesterday looking at polling 

Not much has changed in regard that its still broadly 50:50, however of the 50% who supported BREXIT, half are no longer optimistic about how its going to work out 

Only 25% of the country now believe BREXIT is going to work out for the best (in the short and mid term)

[Escobarp]

4 minutes ago, tomski said:

I think we all can agree we hope he has something in his locker.

The jury is out for me on whether he is a thicko or not.

If he didn’t have the background he does I don’t think he’d be in his current status. Obviously that’s not his fault the hand he was given and I’m sure it’s actually quite good being a toff.

It must be quite difficult as well having it all fall on your shoulders especially when you probably voted to remain.  But he wanted the job as PM knowing full well that he had to deliver brexit so he can have nobody to blame. 
He’s now got the unenviable task of,by the looks Of it, deciding between a weaker deal than most leave voters wanted/expected/believed was possible or no deal. 
 

 

 

[jmjhb]

 

 

[Ani]

35 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

It must be quite difficult as well having it all fall on your shoulders especially when you probably voted to remain.  But he wanted the job as PM knowing full well that he had to deliver brexit so he can have nobody to blame. 
He’s now got the unenviable task of,by the looks Of it, deciding between a weaker deal than most leave voters wanted/expected/believed was possible or no deal. 
 

 

 

He knew what the Gig entailed. He had no problem in sticking the knife into May to make sure he got the job. 
 

I am not sure how the deal is going to be assessed as good/bad/average. Economically in the short term the deal can not be better than what we have so arguably the only better economic deal could come from no deal. But if no deal means WTO terms it does not look rosey. 
 

In terms of non political changes (taking control) I think people are so entrenched any deal would be too much for the Farages and too little for others. 
 

Purely as an election winner the biggest assets the Tories have is the Labour Party , the electorate have rejected the hard left of Corbyn and the soft centre of Starmer is just bland. I would struggle to name 3 other shadow cabinet members. 

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Ani said:

He knew what the Gig entailed. He had no problem in sticking the knife into May to make sure he got the job. 
 

I am not sure how the deal is going to be assessed as good/bad/average. Economically in the short term the deal can not be better than what we have so arguably the only better economic deal could come from no deal. But if no deal means WTO terms it does not look rosey. 
 

In terms of non political changes (taking control) I think people are so entrenched any deal would be too much for the Farages and too little for others. 
 

Purely as an election winner the biggest assets the Tories have is the Labour Party , the electorate have rejected the hard left of Corbyn and the soft centre of Starmer is just bland. I would struggle to name 3 other shadow cabinet members. 

Currently we've got;

• No deal
• Horrific deal

So, you are right that No Deal is currently the best available option.

I can't see how the sides can possibly come together, except that the EU will be in economic difficulty, but politically OK with No Deal. Will that be enough? Unlikely, as it a political contruction.

At least we are still talking.

[Casino]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Currently we've got;

• No deal
• Horrific deal

 

How can this be

Who is playing our cards

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

How can this be

Who is playing our cards

Don’t be daft, there are 2 sides

[Tonge moor green jacket]

16 hours ago, mickbrown said:

He won't get a deal. That's a fucking failure.

I do hope I'm wrong.

Same with the EU strangely.

They're asking (or have been) for shit and getting fuck all.

Works both ways.

[Casino]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Don’t be daft, there are 2 sides

Only one pack of cards

[Tonge moor green jacket]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9048047/amp/Foreign-owned-trawler-controls-QUARTER-Englands-fishing-quota-biggest-Brexit-share.html

Have a read of this.  Politics aside, damaging exploitation can't continue whatever deals are done.

[Tombwfc]

1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

Piece in the Times yesterday looking at polling 

Not much has changed in regard that its still broadly 50:50, however of the 50% who supported BREXIT, half are no longer optimistic about how its going to work out 

Only 25% of the country now believe BREXIT is going to work out for the best (in the short and mid term)

 

Fascinated by the 25% of people who don't believe it's best for the country... but still want to do it.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Casino said:

Only one pack of cards

The point is that for the EU they will compromise economics for politics.

We on here go on about a trade deal, but, for the EU, it is of secondary concern.

The original sin was to join and it is proving hard to leave.

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The original sin was to join and it is proving hard to leave.

I think it's easy to leave if you say "we're leaving, and we don't want any of the benefits, as members, that we currently have, so we'll go WTO, and then try and work a deal from there afterwards" the thing is, we didn't have the balls to do that, as we thought we could have our cake and eat it.

[tomski]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

It must be quite difficult as well having it all fall on your shoulders especially when you probably voted to remain.  But he wanted the job as PM knowing full well that he had to deliver brexit so he can have nobody to blame. 
He’s now got the unenviable task of,by the looks Of it, deciding between a weaker deal than most leave voters wanted/expected/believed was possible or no deal. 
 

 

 

Can’t argue much of that. The main issue for me is the EU were always only going to give us a shit deal. They’d be mental to give anymore for many reasons. Still negotiations aren’t over, let’s see what he can do.

[tomski]

19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Same with the EU strangely.

They're asking (or have been) for shit and getting fuck all.

Works both ways.

Why wouldn’t they though? It’s not in their interests to let a major nation breakaway on great terms.

[Mounts Kipper]

It’s startling that the EU thought they could continue to use their negotiating modus operandi, it was so predictable from day 1 that they’d take it to the wire in the hope we’d stack. 
 

Thankfully we have an 80 seat majority to be able to hold our nerve and get a fair deal. I wonder when the EU will finally realise that it is futile to continue down the path they currently are ploughing.  
 

I want Boris to sit tight until any dispute over the the level playing field is presided over by an independent dispute resolution mechanism, the rest of the deal is virtually done, shouldn’t be long now. 

Edited December 13, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[miamiwhite]

If the EU fold and give leeway in a decent deal, they're signing away the end of the EU as we know it.

[Casino]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

If the EU fold and give leeway in a decent deal, they're signing away the end of the EU as we know it.

I hope mounts is listening

Though, to be fair, folk have been saying it for years

Im not emotionally tied to the EU

I just think my lifes ok and im in no mood to risk that on the off chance

The EU could collapse tomorrow and i wouldnt care one jot, if i was unaffected

[Escobarp]

10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s startling that the EU thought they could continue to use their negotiating modus operandi, it was so predictable from day 1 that they’d take it to the wire in the hope we’d stack. 
 

Thankfully we have an 80 seat majority to be able to hold our nerve and get a fair deal. I wonder when the EU will finally realise that it is futile to continue down the path they currently are ploughing.  
 

I want Boris to sit tight until any dispute over the the level playing field is presided over by an independent dispute resolution mechanism, the rest of the deal is virtually done, shouldn’t be long now. 

That’s a totally unreasonable demand from the EU. Cannot believe they thought we would accept it 

[Mounts Kipper]

13 minutes ago, Casino said:

I hope mounts is listening

Though, to be fair, folk have been saying it for years

Im not emotionally tied to the EU

I just think my lifes ok and im in no mood to risk that on the off chance

The EU could collapse tomorrow and i wouldnt care one jot, if i was unaffected

You can’t make countries stay in a union by holding them to ransom, I think by negotiating a fair deal for the U.K. that would actually show the EU in a better light and rather than weaken it might actually strengthen the Union. 

[Mounts Kipper]

21 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

That’s a totally unreasonable demand from the EU. Cannot believe they thought we would accept it 

Negotiating in good faith, I think not. 

[miamiwhite]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You can’t make countries stay in a union by holding them to ransom, I think by negotiating a fair deal for the U.K. that would actually show the EU in a better light and rather than weaken it might actually strengthen the Union. 

Bit of a double edged sword for the EU. Many are watching our next move and are ready to jump ship too.

More money to find from a smaller pool. The EU have to box very clever now or it is Goodnight Vienna

[Cheese]

This is how massive trading blocs negotiate with 3rd countries. Amazing that some of you who voted to Leave the massive trading bloc are now bleating about it.

[miamiwhite]

8 minutes ago, Cheese said:

This is how massive trading blocs negotiate with 3rd countries. Amazing that some of you who voted to Leave the massive trading bloc are now bleating about it.

We are proving we will go our own way, the EU are literally fighting for their future here. If they make one mistake, the lot will come crashing down on them.

Hence why I've always said they've got more to lose than us......just think about that true fact for a moment, before you start screaming abuse 💋 

[Roger_Dubuis]

5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

We are proving we will go our own way, the EU are literally fighting for their future here. If they make one mistake, the lot will come crashing down on them.

Hence why I've always said they've got more to lose than us......just think about that true fact for a moment, before you start screaming abuse 💋 

I bet you thought Eddie Davies was in charge in his transfer dealings with Abramovic