MickyD Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) On 21/01/2021 at 19:10, Sweep said: I might take a look when I get time. It'll have no ramifications for me, as well continue to trade with China as we always have done, unless the Government want to kill near enough every single UK manufacturer and risk Sterling being trashed by China dumping the c20% of all UK debt they own. Its a nice idea I suppose, but nothing will happen. They'll probably make some sort of token effort and put some sanctions on business from somewhere like Myanmar, and then try and claim a moral high ground..... Whilst still expanding trade with the likes of China and Saudi Arabia Sorry, late to this discussion. Apologies if this has already run it’s course or been pointed out already. If UK did cease trading with China on the grounds we don’t like the way they choose to run their country, wouldn’t it just introduce a middleman? Say, Turkey or any other country does the trade with China, add 10% handling fee and then trade with UK. In effect, UK trying to police the world simply adds (in my simplistic effort at understanding world economics) 10% to the cost of anything currently being bought from China. Edited January 22, 2021 by MickyD Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, MickyD said: Sorry, late to this discussion. Apologies if this has already run it’s course or been pointed out already. If UK did cease trading with China on the grounds we don’t like the way they choose to run their country, wouldn’t it just introduce a middleman? Say, Turkey or any other country does the trade with China, add 10% handling fee and then trade with UK. In effect, UK trying to police the world simply adds (in my simplistic afford at understanding world economics) 10% to the cost of anything currently being bought from China. Can’t see us not trading with China, in fact I think it would be more likely we do a free trade deal, in my sector we’re paying 10/12% tariffs at moment. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 22, 2021 Author Posted January 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Just another Friday night in the WW Arms. Pub bores giving it the big one. Shall we liven it up and talk about cats ? Mine was sick twice today. Cats are the best hence the term 'the Catwalk' 😃 Dogs are shite hence the term 'dog's abuse ' Quote
Boby Brno Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Just another Friday night in the WW Arms. Pub bores giving it the big one. Welcome to the Friday night club. My next door neighbour has a cat. It’s not really relevant. Just like your post. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Boby Brno said: Welcome to the Friday night club. My next door neighbour has a cat. It’s not really relevant. Just like your post. It'll soon get to, what's the quickest route to Chesterfield mid week? Quote
Guest Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 17 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Well I think they are entitled to decide since they did not want to leave the EU. Fabricated nonsense by Sturgeon She doesn’t want independence, she wants to be separate from England. National Socialism Quote
Boby Brno Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 13 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: It'll soon get to, what's the quickest route to Chesterfield mid week? Welcome to the WW pub bores. 👍 Quote
Boby Brno Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, Farrelli said: Well I think they are entitled to decide since they did not want to leave the EU. 😊 Not sure if entitled is the right word but it fits with the narrative. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Can’t see us not trading with China, in fact I think it would be more likely we do a free trade deal, in my sector we’re paying 10/12% tariffs at moment. Therein is the essence of what I see the new trade Bill Is trying to achieve. Allowing some parliamentary control over new deals, but not preventing us trying to achieve them in the first place. Rather than painting yourself into a corner, and being unable to have any influence, perhaps keeping your hand in and influencing from within. Anyway, have a read at this: some particularly interesting parts- the Larkhall hub and its issues have been resolved and that is particularly important. The penultimate paragraph is priceless. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-financial-support-for-the-uks-fishing-businesses-that-export-to-the-eu Quote
Not in Crawley Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Fabricated nonsense by Sturgeon She doesn’t want independence, she wants to be separate from England. National Socialism I'm no fan of the SNP. I'm no fan of nationalism. The genius of the SNP is to move the message to align with the left and kill of Labour in Scotland. Its a paper in itself. Its a party that has played it so well, also getting rid of Salmond helped. I've seen clever friends of mine who live in Scotland become nationalists when they are anything but. England has to swallow its pill and we let this flower in Scotland bloom. Nationalism is only successful as a counterpoint to oppression or perceived oppression. Personally I loathe the SNP, and hope that one day centrist politics can hold more balance in the North, from liberal Conservativism to Labour. Edited January 22, 2021 by Not in Crawley Quote
ErnestTurnip Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 Is it not inevitable that the United Kingdom splits up and Scotland and Wales become independent, Northern Ireland and Ireland unite and split off, and England either becomes a republic or a secular state where the queen renounces the church of England so she can remain head of the country? Quote
MickyD Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 49 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Shall we liven it up and talk about cats ? Mine was sick twice today. Cats are the best hence the term 'the Catwalk' 😃 Dogs are shite hence the term 'dog's abuse ' CATch a dose of crabs... Yes, shoehorning cat into a well known phrase makes them better than dogs! Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 22, 2021 Author Posted January 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, MickyD said: CATch a dose of crabs... Yes, shoehorning cat into a well known phrase makes them better than dogs! Men refer to ugly women as dogs......but all men prefer a bit of pussy 😉 Well, most men 😄 Quote
DirtySanchez Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, MickyD said: Sorry, late to this discussion. Apologies if this has already run it’s course or been pointed out already. If UK did cease trading with China on the grounds we don’t like the way they choose to run their country, wouldn’t it just introduce a middleman? Say, Turkey or any other country does the trade with China, add 10% handling fee and then trade with UK. In effect, UK trying to police the world simply adds (in my simplistic effort at understanding world economics) 10% to the cost of anything currently being bought from China. Serious question Why do you put the odd word in italics? Does it somehow make you’re point a bit more pertinent or do you think you are somehow cleverer than everyone else? Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted January 22, 2021 Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Therein is the essence of what I see the new trade Bill Is trying to achieve. Allowing some parliamentary control over new deals, but not preventing us trying to achieve them in the first place. Rather than painting yourself into a corner, and being unable to have any influence, perhaps keeping your hand in and influencing from within. Anyway, have a read at this: some particularly interesting parts- the Larkhall hub and its issues have been resolved and that is particularly important. The penultimate paragraph is priceless. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-financial-support-for-the-uks-fishing-businesses-that-export-to-the-eu Good article that and excellent support from government, underlines my earlier opinion that these teething problems will get sorted. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 23, 2021 Author Posted January 23, 2021 3 hours ago, boltondiver said: Fabricated nonsense by Sturgeon She doesn’t want independence, she wants to be separate from England. National Socialism Watch this space 😃 💣 💣 💣 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55770271 Quote
Spider Posted January 23, 2021 Posted January 23, 2021 10 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: Good article that and excellent support from government, underlines my earlier opinion that these teething problems will get sorted. How many businesses going to the wall and job losses would you say are acceptable given the teething problems? And if it was your job, or those of your family, threatened/lost, would you whistle all the way home without a breath of complaint happy that “we” are in control? Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 23, 2021 Posted January 23, 2021 36 minutes ago, Spider said: How many businesses going to the wall and job losses would you say are acceptable given the teething problems? And if it was your job, or those of your family, threatened/lost, would you whistle all the way home without a breath of complaint happy that “we” are in control? How many fisherman etc lost their jobs after entry into the EEC? Did you ever ask? Cuts both ways. Quote
Guest Posted January 23, 2021 Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: How many fisherman etc lost their jobs after entry into the EEC? Did you ever ask? Cuts both ways. The real point is that it doesn't matter. It's done and everyone has to do their best to work within the current paradigm. As someone said, it's (very) early days and the government will be working at ironing out as many creases as possible. Quote
miamiwhite Posted January 23, 2021 Author Posted January 23, 2021 Last thing they need in a crisis like this. Poor sods https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55771223 Quote
Guest Posted January 23, 2021 Posted January 23, 2021 6 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Last thing they need in a crisis like this. Poor sods https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55771223 The wrong people are in charge Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted January 23, 2021 Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Last thing they need in a crisis like this. Poor sods https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55771223 It’s bad news the speed of delivery and the slow start in beginning vaccines is devasting for EU economies, obviously I keep very close eye on Spanish developments and the virus is climbing rapidly along the Costa Blanca, they’ve just shut hospitality again, the hospitality sector is fuming, there’s been little support for Spanish business nothing like the support our businesses have had, basically Spanish government is bankrupt and are waiting for EU bailout, unfortunately the coalition can’t agree to the conditions the EU are requesting for the bailout, would imagine that other nations in the EU are in similar situation, it’s all looking very bleak. Edited January 23, 2021 by Mounts Kipper Quote
Spider Posted January 23, 2021 Posted January 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, boltondiver said: The real point is that it doesn't matter. It's done and everyone has to do their best to work within the current paradigm. As someone said, it's (very) early days and the government will be working at ironing out as many creases as possible. The mortgage providers of the 8 blokes we laid off yesterday will hopefully be as accommodating Quote
Spider Posted January 23, 2021 Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, Mounts Kipper said: It’s bad news the speed of delivery and the slow start in beginning vaccines is devasting for EU economies, obviously I keep very close eye on Spanish developments and the virus is climbing rapidly along the Costa Blanca, they’ve just shout hospitality again, the hospitality sector is fuming, there’s been little support for Spanish business nothing like the support our businesses have had, basically Spanish government is bankrupt and are waiting for EU bailout, unfortunately the coalition can’t agree to the conditions the EU are requesting for the bailout, would imagine that other nations in the EU are in similar situation, it’s all looking very bleak. The main thing is that you got to enjoy hospitality when YOU were there though. Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted January 23, 2021 Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Spider said: The main thing is that you got to enjoy hospitality when YOU were there though. We did, we paid for the privilege to ensure ours and others safety, tested before, tested on return after 5 day isolation and kept in our family bubble for 10 days while in Spain .... used our common sense. Edited January 23, 2021 by Mounts Kipper Quote
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