Politics

[Farrelli]

UK firms that export to the EU say they are being encouraged by the government to set up subsidiaries in the bloc to avoid disruption under new trade rules.  Firms have been hit by extra charges, taxes and paperwork, leading some to stop exporting to the EU altogether.  But several say they have been told that setting up hubs in Europe would minimise the disruption, even if it means moving investment out of the UK.

The Department for International Trade said it was "not government policy".  "The Cabinet Office have issued clear guidance, available at www.gov.uk/transition, and we encourage all businesses to follow that guidance."

The Cheshire Cheese Company said it had been advised by an official to set up in the EU after it was forced to stop its exports to the bloc due to trade rules that came in on 1 January.  The firm, which sold £180,000 of cheese to the EU last year, found that every £25-30 gift box of cheese it sends to consumers on the Continent now needs a veterinary-approved health certificate costing £180.

"I spoke to someone at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs for advice. They told me setting up a fulfilment centre in the EU where we could pack the boxes was my only solution," co-founder Simon Spurrell told the BBC.

The firm, which had been optimistic about Brexit, is now looking at setting up a hub in France where it would "test the water".  But it has also scrapped plans to build a new £1m warehouse in Macclesfield employing 20-30 people.  "Instead we might end up employing French workers and paying tax to the EU," Mr Spurrell said.  "I left the EU as a UK citizen but now they are suggesting I rejoin my company to the EU, so what was Brexit for?"

Can't wait to hear Mounts explain how this is great for the UK 😬

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 hours ago, Spider said:

He’s a substance-free, soundbite machine.

He won’t give you a single measurable advantage. Just waffles on about Misty-eyed notions of self-governance, acting like the Houses of Parliament have just been an Andrew Lloyd-Webber production since 1975.

Yeah, I voted leave. I’m big and grown up enough to admit that it was not without its downsides.

If it was his job on the line, he’d see things differently and start blaming all and sundry.

 

You know full well advantages that may come in time: just needs positive people to grasp them.

No one said there won't be some initial problems. That is the duty of government and industry to put right ASAP.

Some may suffer and others gain, unfortunately, that's the way of business. 

You keep saying you don't give a fuck about fisherman etc and only yourself.

Then don't expect a shit load of sympathy in return.

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

You know full well advantages that may come in time: just needs positive people to grasp them.

No one said there won't be some initial problems. That is the duty of government and industry to put right ASAP.

Some may suffer and others gain, unfortunately, that's the way of business. 

You keep saying you don't give a fuck about fisherman etc and only yourself.

Then don't expect a shit load of sympathy in return.

I’m not seeking sympathy.

Im merely pointing out to Mounts that he’s a proper selfish fucker. I mean, narcissistic level.

But, he may be right, so fuck it. Every man for himself.

[Zico]

2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

People's use of language is going downhill?

Before you know it, folk start to use terms like melt as an insult. 

I see much of this on social media 

"Pellet" i saw the other day 

As "check out these pellets", meaning nobheads

 

[Spider]

33 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

UK firms that export to the EU say they are being encouraged by the government to set up subsidiaries in the bloc to avoid disruption under new trade rules.  Firms have been hit by extra charges, taxes and paperwork, leading some to stop exporting to the EU altogether.  But several say they have been told that setting up hubs in Europe would minimise the disruption, even if it means moving investment out of the UK.

The Department for International Trade said it was "not government policy".  "The Cabinet Office have issued clear guidance, available at www.gov.uk/transition, and we encourage all businesses to follow that guidance."

The Cheshire Cheese Company said it had been advised by an official to set up in the EU after it was forced to stop its exports to the bloc due to trade rules that came in on 1 January.  The firm, which sold £180,000 of cheese to the EU last year, found that every £25-30 gift box of cheese it sends to consumers on the Continent now needs a veterinary-approved health certificate costing £180.

"I spoke to someone at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs for advice. They told me setting up a fulfilment centre in the EU where we could pack the boxes was my only solution," co-founder Simon Spurrell told the BBC.

The firm, which had been optimistic about Brexit, is now looking at setting up a hub in France where it would "test the water".  But it has also scrapped plans to build a new £1m warehouse in Macclesfield employing 20-30 people.  "Instead we might end up employing French workers and paying tax to the EU," Mr Spurrell said.  "I left the EU as a UK citizen but now they are suggesting I rejoin my company to the EU, so what was Brexit for?"

Can't wait to hear Mounts explain how this is great for the UK 😬

Let’s play Mounts bingo on this one:

* Adaptability 

* Suck it up

* Teething

* Give it time

* It is what it is

* We knew there’d be changes

* Sovereignty 

* I will admit that it’s not going very well

 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

I’m not seeking sympathy.

Im merely pointing out to Mounts that he’s a proper selfish fucker. I mean, narcissistic level.

But, he may be right, so fuck it. Every man for himself.

🤣😂😂 
 

character assassination from someone who doesn’t even know me suppose I’m providing a good service as it’ll save you abusing someone else. 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 hours ago, Farrelli said:

UK firms that export to the EU say they are being encouraged by the government to set up subsidiaries in the bloc to avoid disruption under new trade rules.  Firms have been hit by extra charges, taxes and paperwork, leading some to stop exporting to the EU altogether.  But several say they have been told that setting up hubs in Europe would minimise the disruption, even if it means moving investment out of the UK.

The Department for International Trade said it was "not government policy".  "The Cabinet Office have issued clear guidance, available at www.gov.uk/transition, and we encourage all businesses to follow that guidance."

The Cheshire Cheese Company said it had been advised by an official to set up in the EU after it was forced to stop its exports to the bloc due to trade rules that came in on 1 January.  The firm, which sold £180,000 of cheese to the EU last year, found that every £25-30 gift box of cheese it sends to consumers on the Continent now needs a veterinary-approved health certificate costing £180.

"I spoke to someone at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs for advice. They told me setting up a fulfilment centre in the EU where we could pack the boxes was my only solution," co-founder Simon Spurrell told the BBC.

The firm, which had been optimistic about Brexit, is now looking at setting up a hub in France where it would "test the water".  But it has also scrapped plans to build a new £1m warehouse in Macclesfield employing 20-30 people.  "Instead we might end up employing French workers and paying tax to the EU," Mr Spurrell said.  "I left the EU as a UK citizen but now they are suggesting I rejoin my company to the EU, so what was Brexit for?"

Can't wait to hear Mounts explain how this is great for the UK 😬

I don’t need to provide commentary on every win & loss do I. 

[Escobarp]

I work for a subsidiary of a German company. Been set up 30 years. Does anyone (with a brain) think that was newsworthy or “bad news” for Germany? 
 

thought not

sergeant suicide at his ultimate best again. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I don’t need to provide commentary on every win & loss do I. 

No, just every loss

There aren’t any wins

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, boltondiver said:

No, just every loss

There aren’t any wins

Glad you noticed that. 😂👍

[Spider]

9 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

No, just every loss

There aren’t any wins

It’s just hard to see them when every working day is one nightmare after another

I implore you to show me the wins. 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Spider

[Spider]

Plus

This was sold as a utopia.

this makes the losses very puzzling

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Plus

This was sold as a utopia.

this makes the losses very puzzling

Are you really that gullible? 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Utopia?

Fucking hell.

Must have missed that bus.

[Spider]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Are you really that gullible? 

I voted the same way you did.

So either we both are, or we both aren’t.

Thing is, you are so stubborn and entrenched that you will utterly refuse to concede that just maybe it’s all a bit shit.

The irony is that none of this needed to happen if they’d just got the right deal. If their egos had let them just say that an extension would be to everyone’s benefit, they could have had these shitty fuck ups dealt with before leaving us to pick up the pieces of a deal that is absolutely fucking dogshit.

You probably know I’m right here but your pathetic ego won’t allow you to concede an inch.

The truth is that you’re not at the front of this. You’re sat imaging all is well.

Pathetic, in truth.

[emus wig]

See Roger Daltrey’s changing his tune now he’s realised he’s not going to be able to  tour Europe without visa’s for each country etc . Sent an open letter to the times along with Elton John and 100s of others earlier in the week. 

. 

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, emus wig said:

See Roger Daltrey’s changing his tune now he’s realised he’s not going to be able to  tour Europe without visa’s for each country etc . Sent an open letter to the times along with Elton John and 100s of others earlier in the week. 

. 

It is what it is

They need to realise that in years to come it will be fine. Sure, he’ll have died of old age but it’s a small price to pay for sovereignty 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Spider

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

I voted the same way you did.

So either we both are, or we both aren’t.

Thing is, you are so stubborn and entrenched that you will utterly refuse to concede that just maybe it’s all a bit shit.

The irony is that none of this needed to happen if they’d just got the right deal. If their egos had let them just say that an extension would be to everyone’s benefit, they could have had these shitty fuck ups dealt with before leaving us to pick up the pieces of a deal that is absolutely fucking dogshit.

You probably know I’m right here but your pathetic ego won’t allow you to concede an inch.

The truth is that you’re not at the front of this. You’re sat imaging all is well.

Pathetic, in truth.

I’ll leave it there with you. If you want to continuing abusing me come and see me next time we’re allowed back into the stadium, I’m easy to find. 

[Escobarp]

18 minutes ago, Spider said:

Plus

This was sold as a utopia.

this makes the losses very puzzling

Wasn’t sold to me as utopia. I made my own mind own up. If you didn’t more fool you

[Spider]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

I’ll leave it there with you. If you want to continuing abusing me come and see me next time we’re allowed back into the stadium, I’m easy to find. 

I’m abusing your utter refusal to see that things are shit.

I won’t find you at the stadium but I will accept that you’ve reached the final defence in any argument you aren’t winning - a set to on a car park.

Sorry, I’m busy trying to return to the position of having some money. 
 

I’ll stop abusing you if you don’t like it. But remember I’m only abusing your ego.

[Not in Crawley]

2 hours ago, ZicoKelly said:

I see much of this on social media 

"Pellet" i saw the other day 

As "check out these pellets", meaning nobheads

 

Its Love Island lingo going mainstream.

[emus wig]

Love the orrible  Who but when I heard Mr Daltrey talk about brexit thought he sounded like a silly old xenophobic twat . 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Wasn’t sold to me as utopia. I made my own mind own up. If you didn’t more fool you

Sunny uplands, milk, honey, seamless, massive trade, cash for the NHS.

Yeah, I didn’t believe it either 🙄

I’m genuinely done in here now.

I would debate, and have demonstrated that I’m willing to change my mind given good evidence to do so.

But, bizarrely, Mounts in particular seems to have a real personal struggle with admitting that anything he’s ‘’backed’ could have its flaws. Particularly when I present him with cold, hard actual proof.

But, you know, Club Shop. The final bastion of the intellectually beaten.

 

[Farrelli]

43 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I don’t need to provide commentary on every win & loss do I. 

Well this company is no longer investing in a new factory in the UK and is being told to set up a hub in France instead. They won’t be the only ones. It’s a bag of shit and you know it. 

[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

Sunny uplands, milk, honey, seamless, massive trade, cash for the NHS.

Yeah, I didn’t believe it either 🙄

I’m genuinely done in here now.

I would debate, and have demonstrated that I’m willing to change my mind given good evidence to do so.

But, bizarrely, Mounts in particular seems to have a real personal struggle with admitting that anything he’s ‘’backed’ could have its flaws. Particularly when I present him with cold, hard actual proof.

But, you know, Club Shop. The final bastion of the intellectually beaten.

 

Mate it’s clear your currently suffering as a result of brexit and everyone on here including mounts will be sorry to hear it genuinely. 
but as I’ve said for everyone of you there is someone like me who it hasn’t affected (yet). I’m not foolish enough to say it’s never going to happen as it might. But currently my life is not affected whatsoever. The biggest challenge it’s going to hopefully cause me this year will be figuring out how to get a visa for a summer holiday to Greece. Wishful thinking I know.
 

but none of this is mounts fault. And I’m sorry if somebody goes around calling someone pathetic then they’ve every right to withdraw from the debate/argument if they wish. 
 

The two of you debating or discussing this is flogging a dead horse. It’s going to end up the same way each and every time.

 

anyway that was sensible esco. 
 

you boys will need to go on about 18th at the club shop?