Politics

[Spider]

All these benefits

I can’t keep up

[Mounts Kipper]

11 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I think what he means to say is that he doesn't give a monkeys about EU folk easily crossing from  Republic of Ireland to NI...just as long as they don't make it across to the mainland

your sarcasm as always is lowest form of attempted wit. 
 

I shouldn’t have to defend my self but I will.

This would of been happening before Brexit there is no difference to what’s happening today, still he’s not answered what’s the difference then and now, except there’s more immigrants in Ireland thanks to the EU & freedom of movement. 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

your sarcasm as always is lowest form of attempted wit. 
 

I shouldn’t have to defend my self but I will.

This would of been happening before Brexit there is no difference to what’s happening today, still he’s not answered what’s the difference then and now, except there’s more immigrants in Ireland thanks to the EU & freedom of movement. 

What's your big deal with immigrants? Have your Golf club had to change their signs to Arabic to accomodate the massive influx of Syrian members or something?

[kent_white]

Can we have a quick WW recce on whether any of us has changed our minds apart from Spider?

I was remain and I'd still be remain tomorrow.

[Zico]

Was remain but would vote leave next time 

[Mounts Kipper]

23 minutes ago, Cheese said:

What's your big deal with immigrants? Have your Golf club had to change their signs to Arabic to accomodate the massive influx of Syrian members or something?

Here’s some positives and negatives stolen from bbc website for you to absorb. 
 

 

Positive effects

• Skills gaps are filled.
• The economy benefits from hard-working people.
• Public services benefit, eg workers in the NHS.
• Government tax revenue increases.
• Culture is enriched, eg world foods and festivals.
• Immigrant groups boost the birth rate.

Negative effects

• A growth in population can put pressure on services, housing and infrastructure to provide for more people.
• Friction may develop between the host population and migrant groups, eg locals may feel they have missed out on job opportunities because of increased competition.
• Migrants tend to be located together in large city areas.
• Migrant groups may not assimilateinto local communities.
• Gender imbalance - usually more men migrate.

 

 

 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Here’s some positives and negatives stolen from bbc website for you to absorb. 
 

 

Positive effects

• Skills gaps are filled.
• The economy benefits from hard-working people.
• Public services benefit, eg workers in the NHS.
• Government tax revenue increases.
• Culture is enriched, eg world foods and festivals.
• Immigrant groups boost the birth rate.

Negative effects

• A growth in population can put pressure on services, housing and infrastructure to provide for more people.
• Friction may develop between the host population and migrant groups, eg locals may feel they have missed out on job opportunities because of increased competition.
• Migrants tend to be located together in large city areas.
• Migrant groups may not assimilateinto local communities.
• Gender imbalance - usually more men migrate.

 

 

 

Filling up our prisons as well! There will be no room for our own soon 

[Not in Crawley]

10 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Can we have a quick WW recce on whether any of us has changed our minds apart from Spider?

I was remain and I'd still be remain tomorrow.

I was remain but now I can pop into Tesco and go anywhere, I'm not so sure.

[Not in Crawley]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Here’s some positives and negatives stolen from bbc website for you to absorb. 
 

 

Positive effects

• Skills gaps are filled.
• The economy benefits from hard-working people.
• Public services benefit, eg workers in the NHS.
• Government tax revenue increases.
• Culture is enriched, eg world foods and festivals.
• Immigrant groups boost the birth rate.

Negative effects

• A growth in population can put pressure on services, housing and infrastructure to provide for more people.
• Friction may develop between the host population and migrant groups, eg locals may feel they have missed out on job opportunities because of increased competition.
• Migrants tend to be located together in large city areas.
• Migrant groups may not assimilateinto local communities.
• Gender imbalance - usually more men migrate.

 

 

 

GCSE.

[Winchester White]

15 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Can we have a quick WW recce on whether any of us has changed our minds apart from Spider?

I was remain and I'd still be remain tomorrow.

Remain and remain again. The missus voted leave and I admit we were both undecided right up to the vote. She is massively remain now though to the point where I am not allowed to bring it up anymore 😄

[Casino]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Not quite, voted to stop freedom of movement.
 

 I presume you were happy with open border between NI and Eire before Brexit, what’s changed to make you unhappy after Brexit? 

Fuck me, this is hard work

So, you voted brexit to stop freedom of movement knowing we couldnt stop freedom of movement

Fwiw, we couldve stopped freedom of movement to GB without brexit

 

 

Im not unhappy theres an open border between NI and ROI, i never said i was

But then I wasnt the one chatting shit about some secret technology that we were going to unveil to solve the problem

 

 

Also, ill hazard a guess you argued black was white over us being able to stick a physical border in Ireland whilst accusing the EU of intransigence?

 

[Mounts Kipper]

 

 

36 minutes ago, Casino said:

Fwiw, we couldve stopped freedom of movement to GB without brexit

no you can’t. 
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/european_government/european_union/freedom_of_movement_in_the_eu.html

 

It ain’t and never was going to be perfect but it’s better than where we were, more jobs, rising wages, nett benefits. 

 

Im not unhappy theres an open border between NI and ROI, i never said i was

Then why you bleating. it’s same as it was. 

But then I wasnt the one chatting shit about some secret technology that we were going to unveil to solve the problem

Not sure I pinned my hopes on a technological solution but a simpler solution is available, but the EU don't want a solution while they can divert trade. 

 

Also, ill hazard a guess you argued black was white over us being able to stick a physical border in Ireland whilst accusing the EU of intransigence? You’ll be wrong. 

 

 

Edited November 23, 2022 by Mounts Kipper

[Nowack]

13 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It ain’t and never was going to be perfect but it’s better than where we were, more jobs, rising wages, nett benefits. 

 

I do get that some on here can be very negative but fuck me, I don't think even Rees Mogg would be as rose tinted as that. 

[gonzo]

56 minutes ago, royal white said:

Filling up our prisons as well! There will be no room for our own soon 

Bastard foreigners coming over here taking all our prison cells.

[Spider]

“Nett benefits”

fucking nora

Who buys into shit like that?

It’s just 2 words with absolutely no evidence whatsoever to back them up

Its classic “I read the headlines of a newspaper on my way for a full English” nonsense 

[Cheese]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Here’s some positives and negatives stolen from bbc website for you to absorb. 
 

Positive effects

• Skills gaps are filled.
• The economy benefits from hard-working people.
• Public services benefit, eg workers in the NHS.
• Government tax revenue increases.
• Culture is enriched, eg world foods and festivals.
• Immigrant groups boost the birth rate.

Negative effects

• A growth in population can put pressure on services, housing and infrastructure to provide for more people.
• Friction may develop between the host population and migrant groups, eg locals may feel they have missed out on job opportunities because of increased competition.
• Migrants tend to be located together in large city areas.
• Migrant groups may not assimilateinto local communities.
• Gender imbalance - usually more men migrate.

 I thought the BBC was a left wing Socialist cabal?

Anyway, the positives outweigh the negatives by some distance. As we are now seeing.

[Spider]

24 minutes ago, Cheese said:

 I thought the BBC was a left wing Socialist cabal?

Anyway, the positives outweigh the negatives by some distance. As we are now seeing.

Migrant groups may not assimilate to local communities.

Unlike the British diaspora who insist on fried breakfasts and scooter clubs when they move overseas and refuse to support the sports teams of the countries they have settled in the massive arseholes. 

[royal white]

Does anyone know how people from East Africa are meant to get here like the MP asked? Just watched it on the news again, surely it’s the same for people wanting to get to any country? 

[Mounts Kipper]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

Does anyone know how people from East Africa are meant to get here like the MP asked? Just watched it on the news again, surely it’s the same for people wanting to get to any country? 

This is the issue with the current asylum rules, how many folk can we absorb, the rules at the moment are anyone who’s genuine asylum can settle, that’s an open ended number of folk who are allowed to claim asylum, it is unsustainable, will cause problems for all safe countries. 

Edited November 23, 2022 by Mounts Kipper

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

This is the issue with the current asylum rules, how many folk can we absorb, the rules at the moment are anyone who’s genuine asylum can settle, that’s an open ended number of folk who are allowed to claim asylum, it is unsustainable, will cause problems for all safe countries. 

The way he put the question across was wrong really. He was making out that those in a war zone should  just be able to pop on a plane and fly to the U.K. 

[DirtySanchez]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Bastard foreigners coming over here taking all our prison cells.

If ours were any good they would have got in there first

Lazy slackers 

[Traf]

12 hours ago, kent_white said:

Speaking of immigration.

"If I'm a 16 year old African orphan in a warzone who is being persecuted by their Government, and has a sibling legally residing in the UK. What safe and legal route is there for me to apply for asylum"

Cue Suella

 

 Clueless Cruella.

[bolty58]

15 hours ago, fatolive said:

Been going on for years mate, just the same as here.

I mentioned it at the start of this Brexit discussion as a risk of no borders when people were saying all migrants come via Dover etc , there’s towns full over in the west , a bus ride takes them into the UK , in fact, some could go into the Uk in some places by going to a different Tesco . 
 
 

Cheers mate - we get plenty of coverage of UK politics down here but scant reporting on Ireland which is a surprise really as there are plenty of your fellow countrymen out here. Thanks for the update.

I should probably mention it in the TV Shows thread but we have a documentary on at present down here (Claremont: A Killer Amongst Us) about the Claremont rapist who terrorised Perth for a good few years. One of the lasses the bastard did was Irish heritage and he took her on Paddy's Day after she'd been out celebrating. Shows a quite substantial march by the Irish community through the city (spoiler alert - don't watch it if ginger minge silly wigs and fat leprechauns do your head in). You'd think we'd get more coverage of Irish news down here.

Edited November 24, 2022 by bolty58

[Duck Egg]

Whenever I see Suella Braverman being interviewed, looking lost, stumbling over her words, making stuff up as she goes along, it reminds me of Liz Truss.  How the feck can someone who sounds so incompetent, rise so high in UK society? 

[MickyD]

15 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

Whenever I see Suella Braverman being interviewed, looking lost, stumbling over her words, making stuff up as she goes along, it reminds me of Liz Truss.  How the feck can someone who sounds so incompetent, rise so high in UK society? 

Looks left, looks right and asks, “If anyone of my colleagues would like to jump in here?” roughly equates to, “For fuck’s sake, help me to stop digging!”

Who the fuck gave her the top job?