What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

Edited March 6, 20215 yr by Casino

11 hours ago, Sweep said:

I'm not sure anybody is of the opinion that we are going back are they?

At least Whitesince63 admits it's been a fuck up, a lot of those who voted to leave, still have their head in the sand and won't admit it, if they did, we could try and get it sorted a little bit quicker than it is at present

Whitesince63 is correct but we haven't completely had Brexit have we? Still half in, half out in reality. Need to cut all ties but trade ties and these need to be along the lines of dealings we have with all non EU countries.

I don't think you should be worrying about Leavers heads in sand. Remainers inability to accept the result is the main problem.

 

12 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Whitesince63 is correct but we haven't completely had Brexit have we? Still half in, half out in reality. Need to cut all ties but trade ties and these need to be along the lines of dealings we have with all non EU countries.

I don't think you should be worrying about Leavers heads in sand. Remainers inability to accept the result is the main problem.

Even after we've left the EU, we just haven't left enough. At least these jingoistic prats are slowly starting to admit it's all been a huge fuck up. This one from another continent in a different hemisphere.

Edited November 21, 20223 yr by Cheese

11 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Lusty, total bollocks from you as usual. Leave voters (all of them) voted to LEAVE, that meant completely returning the UK to the position we were in before we ever became involved with the abominable organisation which destroyed our farming, chemical and engineering industries. Doing that, although initially painful, would have offered us the opportunity to negotiate new terms of engagement with the EU and forced them to consider perfectly sensible and workable measures for the NI border instead of weaponising it as they had done from the start with Teresa May. You really do have to stop this ridiculous assertion that you were lied to during the Brexit process. Both sides outlined their opinions and people voted on it. To insult 52% of the population by insinuating they were stupid and gullible is pathetic and it’s obviously just a shame we weren’t all as clever as you and the other EU sycophants on here. 

Mate it's a simple enough concept to grasp. Drag queens, chemo patients and Michael Fabricant all wear wigs but it doesn't mean they all think the same.

8 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Whitesince63 is correct but we haven't completely had Brexit have we? Still half in, half out in reality. Need to cut all ties but trade ties and these need to be along the lines of dealings we have with all non EU countries.

I don't think you should be worrying about Leavers heads in sand. Remainers inability to accept the result is the main problem.

 

Blame blame blame

You should know by now that the visionaries are always prepared for any eventuality. That they didn’t consider 48% of the population might be a bit difficult seems like a gross dereliction of planning to me.

Only yourselves to blame. 

Maybe if any benefits could be thrown on the table as some sort of incentive to Remoaners, then it may change the tide.

Produce even a modicum of evidence that it’s working, perhaps?

Remaoners can prove - actually provide evidence - that Brexit is on its arse. All brexiters can respond with is the we won get over it argument.

Time to get your medals out, chaps.

You won the Brexit vote, you have the Tory government you wanted. What more do you need?

Edited November 22, 20223 yr by Spider

13 hours ago, Cheese said:

Here's a short compilation that includes Michael Gove, Boris Johnson, Dominic Raab, David Davis, Daniel Hannan, and Nigel Farage.

 

Thanks Cheese, you’ve just proved my point for me. Not one of those “prominent Leavers” even suggested that we STAY part of the single market. Of course we want access to it that’s obvious because the single market effectively is the EU and of course we want to trade with them. Are you suggesting we wouldn’t want to? We were already completely aligned to the EU so negotiations to find a way to allow trade to continue would be sensible for both parties except that sense isn’t something you expect from that bunch of numpties whose sole intention from the start has been to be as intransigent as possible, to damage our position and to ensure no other state attempts to leave. Nobody’s denying this has created problems for us and nobody’s suggested that we should have the same unfettered access to the single market as we had when a member but the EU are perfectly happy to risk damaging their own businesses through a loss of trade here rather than communicate sensibly.

40 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Thanks Cheese, you’ve just proved my point for me. Not one of those “prominent Leavers” even suggested that we STAY part of the single market. Of course we want access to it that’s obvious because the single market effectively is the EU and of course we want to trade with them. Are you suggesting we wouldn’t want to? We were already completely aligned to the EU so negotiations to find a way to allow trade to continue would be sensible for both parties except that sense isn’t something you expect from that bunch of numpties whose sole intention from the start has been to be as intransigent as possible, to damage our position and to ensure no other state attempts to leave. Nobody’s denying this has created problems for us and nobody’s suggested that we should have the same unfettered access to the single market as we had when a member but the EU are perfectly happy to risk damaging their own businesses through a loss of trade here rather than communicate sensibly.

You can’t leave the EU but still expect all the benefits. 

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

You can’t leave the EU but still expect all the benefits. 

Yet the likes of Gove, Johnson, Farage, etc actually said the German car manufacturers would make sure could. It was only Hannan who rightly said we should stay in the SM, it's probably the only thing he has ever got right mind but a stopped clock and all that.

3 hours ago, Farrelli said:

You can’t leave the EU but still expect all the benefits. 

Who was expecting all the benefits? Nobody expected to leave the bloc and expect no changes. What was expected was an EU who would in good faith negotiate a trade agreement that accepted both the UK’s democratic decision to leave, as contained within their own rules, yet ensured the security of the single market. Nobody, including Gove, Johnson and Farage, ever pretended that there wouldn’t be a price to pay but surely had every right to expect the EU to negotiate terms taking that into account. Instead all we have received is resistance. Every attempt at negotiation has met only with an offer that includes the U.K. accepting EU regulations, completely aware of the fact that we could not possibly agree if Brexit was to mean anything.

Their total weaponising of the NI situation and refusal to grant equivalence to the City are just further example of their petty minded stance and a further reason why it was essential we leave. You myopic, federalist Remain supporters should get your heads out of your arse and see the facts. None of the proposed benefits of Brexit have been delivered by this pathetic Parliament, instead still cow towing to the Brussels bureaucrats and until somebody has the balls to stand up and actually start delivering the country will suffer and you and your cronies will rightly be able to ask was it worth it?

Edited November 22, 20223 yr by Whitesince63

Just face it, you were sold a pup

And in being numb enough to buy it, youve fucked the country up for years

12 minutes ago, Casino said:

Just face it, you were sold a pup

And in being numb enough to buy it, youve fucked the country up for years

He’s talking to you @Spider

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

He’s talking to you @Spider

Happy to admit the error

Im not going to double down and defend whatever the fuck this clusterwank is 🥰xx

Speaking of wankers, fucking state of this:

 

18 minutes ago, Spider said:

Speaking of wankers, fucking state of this:

 

You cant make this shit up

This is a couple of weeks old, but I think this is a really decent analysis of the current state of affairs in the UK by Andrew Marr. 

https://youtu.be/0iXnJdEzFN8

2 hours ago, Spider said:

Speaking of wankers, fucking state of this:

 

That's next level bellendery.

Shameless these cunts . 

3 hours ago, Spider said:

Speaking of wankers, fucking state of this:

 

Fear not, he who defends all that is Tory Party related will be along shortly to explain why this isn't utterly ridiculous........ 

6 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

 You myopic, federalist Remain supporters should get your heads out of your arse and see the facts. 

What are these facts? I see a lot of opinion on what is happening but not a lot of factual evidence supporting this. You mention the protection of the single market, surely that is what the EU is doing by denying us the access you seem to think we deserve, they are protecting their member states from allowing equal access to non-member states, and providing opportunity for their member states to fill the gaps left by our exit. Yes in the short term this may have some pain, but longer term their member states will benefit.

 

6 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

None of the proposed benefits of Brexit have been delivered by this pathetic Parliament

Does this not just show the proposed benefits are not achievable? We tried to stand on our own but are now realising some of our strength and influence came from being part of the block in the first place. That seems to be the case when you look at the way the US trade deal has progressed.

The comments about the weak government may be true, however there is also the consideration of future generations of voters. You have strong opinions formed, in part, from the original decision to join the EU. However any impact short, medium or long term from full withdrawal will impact younger generations most, some of those who won't have had a say in the referendum. So there has to be some consideration here and difficult decisions to make, otherwise it is political suicide.

 

I voted remain, not because I have a particularly strong view either way, but because I don't think either argument was made very well. I have only ever known being in the EU and the country seemed to have been doing well within it and there were a number of benefits I had enjoyed from our membership. The arguments to leave often seemed fanciful, or unachievable and certainly were never presented in enough detail to convince me to vote against something which I had no real issue with. 

 

 

Just for the avoidance of doubt, European Court of Human  Rights has fuck all to do with the EU

1 minute ago, Gonk said:

Just for the avoidance of doubt, European Court of Human  Rights has fuck all to do with the EU

You'd like to think that everybody knows that....... 

4 minutes ago, Gonk said:

Just for the avoidance of doubt, European Court of Human  Rights has fuck all to do with the EU

Nobody said it's anything to do with the EU - the point is Owen Patterson has stated in the past that he wanted the UK to leave the ECHR as well as the EU...

14 minutes ago, Gonk said:

Just for the avoidance of doubt, European Court of Human  Rights has fuck all to do with the EU

Bloody Europeans with their courts telling us how to live

Good speech today by Starmer… no reversal on Brexit and sensible immigration policies.. I’m warming to the fella. 

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Good speech today by Starmer… no reversal on Brexit and sensible immigration policies.. I’m warming to the fella. 

You can’t change your mind on here mate, it’s just not allowed.

You’ll be crucified for having rational, independent thoughts.