Politics

[Casino]

Obvously, we are having a tough time with Brexit, which is understandable.

 

Aside of that, we have low inflation, high employment, reducing national debt and low interest rates.................generally, not a bad backdrop, don't you think?

Aye

 

Country is in a decent place

 

So lets gamble the lot

[paulhanley]

Let them move production to China.

Let them swerve tax.

Let them use zero hours contracts.

Let them enjoy lemon socialism.

Let them have employees shite wages topped up by the state.

Let them utilise the uncertainty caused by the recession to trample upon workers' rights

 

Unfettered capitalism means some conscienceless twat sits on a yacht and the workers that created their wealth sit on the scrapheap.

 

And the chingalings are totally racist.

 

Name one married to a darky - one!?

Not as racist as you apparently.

Or Corybn and his pathetic anti-semitism.

[Youri McAnespie]

It's not antisemitic to find the actions of some Jewish people distasteful.

 

Lads (and lasses) like him out of Fiddler in the Roof are alreet.

[paulhanley]

It's not antisemitic to find the actions of some Jewish people distasteful.

 

Lads (and lasses) like him out of Fiddler in the Roof are alreet.

Your views are as shit as Steve McAnespie was as a right back!

[Youri McAnespie]

They're as class as Youri Djorkaeff was.

[Guest]

Aye

 

Country is in a decent place

 

So lets gamble the lot

 

[Not in Crawley]

A genuine question from someone who didn't live through the winter of discontent - or at least did live through it but was only 1 at the time.

 

Is the current abject chaos worse, better or around about the same as it was back then?

I’ve menrioned it before but worth reading Wheb the Lights Went Out

 

Also the ‘project fear’ of the right for voting Labour is based on very shaky ground from 40 years ago.

 

Not that I’m a Corbyn fan at all - I’ll most likely vote liberal dem - but there are no real arguments here.

 

The sad thing is the Tory Wets seem to have no voice at the moment. Did anyone listen to Chris Patton this week? A more sensible voice on Brexit from the Tory party. It’s being dragged along by loons like Johnson and Rees-Mogg, for that they deserve to be voted out. An incoherent shambles with a weak leader and no strategy.

 

Imwhar is a disgrace is people still defending them - pro Brexit or not.

[kent_white]

Might give it a go NIC - I'm also pretty confused as to why something can't necessarily work because it didn't necessarily work 40 odd years ago.

[Boby Brno]

As communism has been mentioned, I see Owen Jones has piped up again. “What is communism? Can we separate it from the horrors of Stalinism”

Can we then separate the horrors of Nazism and take another look at Facism?

I’m not advocating that of course, just illustrating the nonsense that bloke comes out with.

[paulhanley]

As communism has been mentioned, I see Owen Jones has piped up again. “What is communism? Can we separate it from the horrors of Stalinism”

Can we then separate the horrors of Nazism and take another look at Facism?

I’m not advocating that of course, just illustrating the nonsense that bloke comes out with.

Owen Jones is one of the most moronic wankers ever to put pen to paper.

[Not in Crawley]

He’s not, you might disagree with him, but he’s not a moron.

 

I’ve a feeling that if someone has a different view from you, then they’re a bit of a wanker.

 

Which is a bit of a shame.

[kent_white]

Owen Jones is one of the most moronic wankers ever to put pen to paper.

Have you read any of his books?

[paulhanley]

Have you read any of his books?

 

I have no intention of reading any of his books. I struggle to get to the end of his columns and usually have to switch off when he's on political panel debates. Ten years ago and before I might have had more sympathy with the views of someone like him. I got older and wiser.

Try Phillip Johnston, Allister Heath and Charles Moore in The Telegraph.

[paulhanley]

He’s not, you might disagree with him, but he’s not a moron.

 

I’ve a feeling that if someone has a different view from you, then they’re a bit of a wanker.

 

Which is a bit of a shame.

Well then you've got it all wrong, pal.

And not for the first time on here.

[madthatter]

Captialism has taken millions of people out of poverty. I am better off than my grandparents. They were better off than theirs. There are now literally millions of people in China and India no longer in poverty as a result of the introduction of capitalism over the last 20 years or so. Sure - capitalism can be a slow deliver. But over time it does deliver and is a safe bet to do so. Socialism puts the process in to reverse. It makes workers poorer and has done every single time it's been tried. Believers are deluded.

 

I can't argue with that and yes, India and china, amongst others, have prospered.

 

But at what cost?   Some of the environmental stuff on China's hands (not to mention humanitarian) is shocking.  India the same.  Add to that the US and DT's apathy for all things environmental . . .

 

It's all good and well growing economies but when we're all eating plastic for tea in a few generations they might look back and think those pushing progress were in reality a set of selfish, short term thinking cunts  

[Not in Crawley]

Well then you've got it all wrong, pal.

And not for the first time on here.

How so?

 

You’ve said you’ve not actually read his books, you’ve called him a moron and im not sure that Oxford let in that many idiots as a general admission policy and he’s a leading commentator on a national paper. I’d go back and look up what a moron actually is.

 

Again, you might disagree with him, but snide name calling suggests you haven’t got much of a reasoned response.

 

And may I also suggest, not for the first time on here.

[paulhanley]

How so?

 

You’ve said you’ve not actually read his books, you’ve called him a moron and im not sure that Oxford let in that many idiots as a general admission policy and he’s a leading commentator on a national paper. I’d go back and look up what a moron actually is.

 

Again, you might disagree with him, but snide name calling suggests you haven’t got much of a reasoned response.

 

And may I also suggest, not for the first time on here.

I have read plenty of his columns and heard his views often enough to think he's a moron. If you don't agree then that's your prerogative.

I have long ago left behind any semblance of having any views that could be deemed as being to the left of centre. But for the majority of my adult life I did. There are plenty of people from the left of the political spectrum whose views and approach I respect. Owen Jones isn't even close to falling in to that bracket. 

And I've lived in Oxford for 16 years. It has its quota of morons - both town and gown.

Edited July 21, 2018 by paulhanley

[kent_white]

I have no intention of reading any of his books.

Great. A considered opinion then.

[Not in Crawley]

I have no intention of reading any of his books. I struggle to get to the end of his columns and usually have to switch off when he's on political panel debates. Ten years ago and before I might have had more sympathy with the views of someone like him. I got older and wiser.

Try Phillip Johnston, Allister Heath and Charles Moore in The Telegraph.

Ah, you mean those journalists you agree with.

 

Right, of course, that makes more sense.

 

All readable, Moore I find a bit grating. None of them are ‘wankers’ or idiots, although again Moore’s stance on women being ordained is a bit iffy.

 

See - it’s easy this understanding two sides of an argument stuff. Give it a whirl, might make you less prickly.

[Zico]

Well then you've got it all wrong, pal.

And not for the first time on here.

Yeah crawley, yer wanker

[Not in Crawley]

I have read plenty of his columns and heard his views often enough to think he's a moron. If you don't agree then that's your prerogative.

I have long ago left behind any semblance of having any views that could be deemed as being to the left of centre. But for the majority of my adult life I did. There are plenty of people from the left of the political spectrum whose views and approach I respect. Owen Jones isn't even close to falling in to that bracket.

And I've lived in Oxford for 16 years. It has its quota of morons - both town and gown.

I lived and worked around Cambridge for a few years - and yes exactly the same is true there, but that wasn’t the point I was making as you no doubt know and are avoiding.

 

Again, you don’t respect him, he’s not a moron though. To leap to that conclusion would be a bit moronic, which would be ironic.

[Not in Crawley]

Yeah crawley, yer wanker

????

[paulhanley]

I lived and worked around Cambridge for a few years - and yes exactly the same is true there, but that wasn’t the point I was making as you no doubt know and are avoiding.

 

Again, you don’t respect him, he’s not a moron though. To leap to that conclusion would be a bit moronic, which would be ironic.

well the definition of moronic is "very foolish and stupid". I'd say he's both. And deluded.

[miamiwhite]

I’ve menrioned it before but worth reading Wheb the Lights Went Out

 

Also the ‘project fear’ of the right for voting Labour is based on very shaky ground from 40 years ago.

 

Not that I’m a Corbyn fan at all - I’ll most likely vote liberal dem - but there are no real arguments here.

 

The sad thing is the Tory Wets seem to have no voice at the moment. Did anyone listen to Chris Patton this week? A more sensible voice on Brexit from the Tory party. It’s being dragged along by loons like Johnson and Rees-Mogg, for that they deserve to be voted out. An incoherent shambles with a weak leader and no strategy.

 

Imwhar is a disgrace is people still defending them - pro Brexit or not.

My project fear of Labour has zero to do with what happened over 40 years which you wouldn’t know anything about fella except for what you’ve read in your left wing journals.

 

Mine is based on modern day stuff such as the antisemitism which is rife amongst the shithouse new hard left Labour Party.

Classic examplemismtheir treatment of Margaret Hodge this week for calling out Corbyn and his watered down code on antisemitism views, which are absolutely priceless and utterly pathetic.

 

Hodge is a secular Jew and her voice should be heard, but what happens.....that’s right..discipline the person raising the subject.

 

Corbyn should listen very closely to her indeed.

His calls for discipline are nothing short of fascism itself......one must obey the leader’s orders eh....now,where have I heard that priceless quote before ?

 

How did Corbyn deal with that vile pock faced cunt Naz Shah on her “for the sake of diversity”quote ?

She should have been booted out of the party and kicked in the cunt !!!

But hey....let’s not upset their favoured bloc vote eh ?

 

I’ve seen the horrors of Auschwitz have you ? I’ve seen Treblinka, have you ?

 

Don’t tell me project fear is about the 70’s......it’s present and it’s a clear and present danger.

[paulhanley]

My project fear of Labour has zero to do with what happened over 40 years which you wouldn’t know anything about fella except for what you’ve read in your left wing journals.

 

Mine is based on modern day stuff such as the antisemitism which is rife amongst the shithouse new hard left Labour Party.

Classic examplemismtheir treatment of Margaret Hodge this week for calling out Corbyn and his watered down code on antisemitism views, which are absolutely priceless and utterly pathetic.

 

Hodge is a secular Jew and her voice should be heard, but what happens.....that’s right..discipline the person raising the subject.

 

Corbyn should listen very closely to her indeed.

His calls for discipline are nothing short of fascism itself......one must obey the leader’s orders eh....now,where have I heard that priceless quote before ?

 

How did Corbyn deal with that vile pock faced cunt Naz Shah on her “for the sake of diversity”quote ?

She should have been booted out of the party and kicked in the cunt !!!

But hey....let’s not upset their favoured bloc vote eh ?

 

I’ve seen the horrors of Auschwitz have you ? I’ve seen Treblinka, have you ?

 

Don’t tell me project fear is about the 70’s......it’s present and it’s a clear and present danger.

I take it you're no fan of Owen Jones then? 

Take great care. He's a very sensible man. He's written books.