Mounts Kipper Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) Just for those who still think we won’t get a deal with the EU here is the reason we will. It is in both the UK’s and the EU27’s economic interests to agree such a deal. Concerning goods, it is arguably more in the EU27’s interests that tariff-free trade continues than in the UK’s as it runs such an enormous visible trade surplus with the UK. According to the latest figures the UK’s visible trade deficit with the EU was £89.0bn in 2015. The deficit with Germany alone was £31.1bn. Deficits were also sizeable with the Netherlands (£14.8bn), Belgium-Luxembourg (£9.5bn), Italy (£7.5bn), France (6.4bn), and Spain (£5.1bn). Chuck in 40 billion and you’ll forgive me for not listening to continued project fear which ultimately has 1 aim and that is to reverse what the people voted for. Edited July 27, 2018 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just for those who still think we won’t get a deal with the EU here is the reason we will. I've never thought for a minute that we won't get a deal - we will get a deal of some sort, who knows if it will be good or bad, I guess we'll soon find out If it's all so cut and dried Mounts.....why have we not agreed something already, and why are our Government giving away loads of concessions and happily bending over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted July 27, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2018 I've never thought for a minute that we won't get a deal - we will get a deal of some sort, who knows if it will be good or bad, I guess we'll soon find out If it's all so cut and dried Mounts.....why have we not agreed something already, and why are our Government giving away loads of concessions and happily bending over? Dominic Raab dropped all the cards we were holding, he bent down to pick them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) Just for those who still think we won’t get a deal with the EU here is the reason we will. It is in both the UK’s and the EU27’s economic interests to agree such a deal. Concerning goods, it is arguably more in the EU27’s interests that tariff-free trade continues than in the UK’s as it runs such an enormous visible trade surplus with the UK. According to the latest figures the UK’s visible trade deficit with the EU was £89.0bn in 2015. The deficit with Germany alone was £31.1bn. Deficits were also sizeable with the Netherlands (£14.8bn), Belgium-Luxembourg (£9.5bn), Italy (£7.5bn), France (6.4bn), and Spain (£5.1bn). Chuck in 40 billion and you’ll forgive me for not listening to continued project fear which ultimately has 1 aim and that is to reverse what the people voted for. In the interest having the numbers, here are the more recent figures here, which shows there is still a huge trade deficit with the EU last year UK imports from the EU were £341 billion (55% of all UK imports). ... The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£67 billion with the EU in 2017. A surplus of £28 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of £95 billion on trade in goods. The UK had a trade surplus of £41 billion with non-EU countries Edited July 27, 2018 by Sweep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Whether we get a deal or not one thing is beyond debate, the German Gvt and industry value the integrity of the Single Market more than they value trade with the UK. So if TM thinks she will get tarrif free trade with the EU, maintain control of our borders, leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ and have the ability to negotiate trade deals freely then she is in for one almighty shock. Good luck with that one Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 27, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2018 I don't believe she thinks she will. That said, if such action affects propserity in these countries, what will their people think of the eu? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) I don't believe she thinks she will. That said, if such action affects propserity in these countries, what will their people think of the eu? https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/europes-biggest-brexit-fear-that-well-flourish-outside-the-eu/amp/I suppose this reaction may change once the impact of Brexit hits home Edited July 27, 2018 by Salford Trotter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/europes-biggest-brexit-fear-that-well-flourish-outside-the-eu/amp/ I suppose this reaction may change once the impact of Brexit hits home it may, it may not. I'm coming round to Mounts way of thinking, in that we won't see even a blip.....pretty much because we aren't actually going to leave, we're going to still be part of the EU in all but name. After much thinking about it, I'm sure this was always TM end game, and she's getting closer to it day by day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just for those who still think we won’t get a deal with the EU here is the reason we will. It is in both the UK’s and the EU27’s economic interests to agree such a deal. Concerning goods, it is arguably more in the EU27’s interests that tariff-free trade continues than in the UK’s as it runs such an enormous visible trade surplus with the UK. According to the latest figures the UK’s visible trade deficit with the EU was £89.0bn in 2015. The deficit with Germany alone was £31.1bn. Deficits were also sizeable with the Netherlands (£14.8bn), Belgium-Luxembourg (£9.5bn), Italy (£7.5bn), France (6.4bn), and Spain (£5.1bn). Chuck in 40 billion and you’ll forgive me for not listening to continued project fear which ultimately has 1 aim and that is to reverse what the people voted for. I must admit I’ve not stayed as close to it recently as the whole thing really gets me down However, isn’t that what TM has proposed? Tarrif free trade on GOODS but not services? Clearly it will mean we will have to follow the EU regulations on these goods without having a say on it, which is shit really but at least the ports won’t meltdown on day 1 If you think about it tarrif free trade with the EU on goods is important as we rely on them a lot for food etc just to get by day to day We rely on selling our services to them though which will be hit with tariffs but then again it’s easier to trade with the rest of the world on services given that you don’t have to physically transport them through a border It’s the least worst option for me but can TM sell it to the EU or Parliament?? Like I say, I’ve avoided the subject recently so I might be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 That's about right Birchy. It should get through Parliament, the only people who will try and stop it are....ironically.....those on the leave side, as they feel we're giving to much away (hence DD and Boris quitting) - The EU will water it down a touch, as you would expect, but hopefully we'll still be good to go. My favourite bit is that we won't still have free movement......but people with EU passports can travel here Visa free, and we can do the same going the other way - I bet that will be really well policed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I must admit I’ve not stayed as close to it recently as the whole thing really gets me down However, isn’t that what TM has proposed? Tarrif free trade on GOODS but not services? Clearly it will mean we will have to follow the EU regulations on these goods without having a say on it, which is shit really but at least the ports won’t meltdown on day 1 If you think about it tarrif free trade with the EU on goods is important as we rely on them a lot for food etc just to get by day to day We rely on selling our services to them though which will be hit with tariffs but then again it’s easier to trade with the rest of the world on services given that you don’t have to physically transport them through a border It’s the least worst option for me but can TM sell it to the EU or Parliament?? Like I say, I’ve avoided the subject recently so I might be wrong Though Barnier has rejected the facilitated customs arrangement so that's off the table. I can see us extending Article 50 if the Chequers agreement gets rejected and will give us more time to think of another idea that won't work for everyone. It's a self-made no win crap situation we are in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Though Barnier has rejected the facilitated customs arrangement so that's off the table. I can see us extending Article 50 if the Chequers agreement gets rejected and will give us more time to think of another idea that won't work for everyone. It's a self-made no win crap situation we are in. I don’t think it can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted July 27, 2018 Members Share Posted July 27, 2018 I've never thought for a minute that we won't get a deal - we will get a deal of some sort, who knows if it will be good or bad, I guess we'll soon find out If it's all so cut and dried Mounts.....why have we not agreed something already, and why are our Government giving away loads of concessions and happily bending over? Simple answer - they are not sincere in their efforts and are surreptitiously trying to keep the UK 'in' as far as possible to placate the political class and the capitalists.. Can't have a Remainer steering the ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salford Trotter Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I don’t think it canIt can if there is a significant event happening such as a change of leader, General Election or a second referendum. If we heading for a no deal brexit i think heads will roll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) Simple answer - they are not sincere in their efforts and are surreptitiously trying to keep the UK 'in' as far as possible to placate the political class and the capitalists.. Can't have a Remainer steering the ship. Quite correct. It’s becoming very clear every time Barnier says no strengthens his position he’s playing our government like a fiddle and whipping up anti Brexit support in a thinly veiled attempt to stop us leaving and to create pressure for our government. Sadly our country is being undermined by those from within who also share Barnier and the EU aims. I think Barnier and the rest of his EU cohorts underestimate the Anti EU feeling here in the UK. It’s one thing bullying Ireland into staying and another thing trying to bully the UK into staying. We must leave the deal on table, walk away halt negotiations and seriously take the no deal route. That is the best course of action that we can take to ensure we get the very best deal. Edited July 27, 2018 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted July 27, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2018 Maybe Brexit the way Boris wants it simply isn't possible? Or maybe it is but the ramifications are simply too awful for the PM of our country to sign up to? I dunno, it seems we are fucked whichever way things pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Can't have a Remainer steering the ship. I agree, been saying it for ages, but we voted her in, so we have to trust her. I'm not sure who else could do it really. Maybe DD, possibly JRM but he's a dick....and certainly not Boris, as we all know he's a remainer at heart as well, who only jumped to "leave" to try and get the top job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 We must leave the deal on table, walk away halt negotiations and seriously take the no deal route. You do know there is zero chance of that happening whilst May is in charge don't you. She wants to stay, and has been doing all she can to ensure we do, all the way through the process Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 You do know there is zero chance of that happening whilst May is in charge don't you. She wants to stay, and has been doing all she can to ensure we do, all the way through the process I agree and because of that It’s likely her position is becoming untenable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I agree and because of that It’s likely her position is becoming untenable. Nobody will oust her, as most of them want to stay anyway. I can smell a second vote coming you know..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 27, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted July 27, 2018 Do we have a referendum to decide whether we should have a referendum? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Do we have a referendum to decide whether we should have a referendum? It's obvious what will happen.....well it's not, but is is inconceivable for the following to happen. They'll agree a shit deal on our behalf, then offer another vote on if we should take it or not. The deal will be so shit, most will vote to reject and we'll stay in by default Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 It can if there is a significant event happening such as a change of leader, General Election or a second referendum. If we heading for a no deal brexit i think heads will roll No, I mean I don’t think it can within EU rules. Once the 2 year clock is ticking, that’s it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Sadly our country is being undermined by those from within who also share Barnier and the EU aims. I suspected it wouldn't be your fault again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Do we have a referendum to decide whether we should have a referendum? Only if it passes a vote in Parliament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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