Moon boy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Who mentioned the Good Friday Agreement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: But that isn't true. We are bound by the Good Friday Agreement. And Ireland being one of the 26 EU members are as well. Just because something doesn't suit you, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The two halves of Ireland already have different currency, different VAT rates, different laws the EU have found a way of solving those problems The NI border have always had to deal with smuggling of goods and people and surely with good will on both sides this is not a deal breaker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Moon boy said: The two halves of Ireland already have different currency, different VAT rates, different laws the EU have found a way of solving those problems The NI border have always had to deal with smuggling of goods and people and surely with good will on both sides this is not a deal breaker? You have to maintain free movement across the border as part of the good Friday agreement. If you revert to WTO then you cannot maintain freedom of movement without potentially infringing WTO rules - which mean that all trading borders have to offer the same advantages. In other words you cannot have a free border in one place but not another as it offers a potential trade advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Moon boy said: The two halves of Ireland already have different currency, different VAT rates, different laws the EU have found a way of solving those problems The NI border have always had to deal with smuggling of goods and people and surely with good will on both sides this is not a deal breaker? Because both sides are in the EU that works. When the North leaves what happens ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Moon boy said: “We are being driven by the needs and beliefs of a staggeringly small number of self interested individuals” who do you mean? The Remain Elite? There are 2 distinct groups of what you have called the 'Remain Elite' and also the 'Leave Elite' and between them they are using the situation to attempt to push themselves up the greasy pole of power. Boris is the most obvious example, after leading the charge out of Europe he has gone incredibly quiet, but there are others on both sides. What actually is Corbyns view ? Tory rebels vote against the government , is there not a single Labour MP who supports the approach or are they simply following their party line ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ani said: There are 2 distinct groups of what you have called the 'Remain Elite' and also the 'Leave Elite' and between them they are using the situation to attempt to push themselves up the greasy pole of power. Boris is the most obvious example, after leading the charge out of Europe he has gone incredibly quiet, but there are others on both sides. What actually is Corbyns view ? Tory rebels vote against the government , is there not a single Labour MP who supports the approach or are they simply following their party line ? May's spin is amazing to the point where people genuinely think her deal (driven by her own political leanings) is all we could have got. Pragmatists in the Labour party and Tory party have been working behind the scenes on the EFTA model. That is absolutely a deal we could get, that doesn't have to be permanent but would secure exit without a cliff edge. If May had come back with that I'm sure Corbyn would oppose but many Labour backbenchers would support it. But nobody who think remaining is optimal can really support May's deal since it loses access to the free market and places huge strain on our workforce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said: But that isn't true. We are bound by the Good Friday Agreement. And Ireland being one of the 26 EU members are as well. Just because something doesn't suit you, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We ain’t putting a hard border up the Irish aren't going to put a border up are you suggesting the EU are going to put the hard border up? The truth is no hard border will exist whatever is or isn’t agreed. Therefore it’s a complete red herring. More to the point it’s been engineered by the EU to ensure the backstop and to create a position of strength for the EU in negotiations, the idiots in charge of the WA are to blame( no wonder they’re remainers) Edited January 10, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: We ain’t putting a hard border up the Irish aren't going to put a border up are you suggesting the EU are going to put the hard border up? The truth is no hard border will exist whatever is or isn’t agreed. Therefore it’s a complete red herring. More to the point it’s been engineered by the EU to ensure the backstop and to create a position of strength for the EU in negotiations, the idiots in charge of the WA are to blame( no wonder they’re remainers) Please can you stop with this absolute nonsensical Brexit gubbins perpetuated by the worst, most demented ideologues in the country. A hard border doesn't necessarily mean "build a wall". It means that you have to check movement of people and goods. You cannot have WTO rules without those checks. And those checks contravene what was in the GFA. You simply cannot preserve a seamless border without a trade agreement/customs union. That is the end of it. Whatever you do that is a brick wall fact that can't just be wished away with some meaningless words spouted by shit gibbons that completely contravene advice given by a whole host of actual experts on trade and international law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: We ain’t putting a hard border up the Irish aren't going to put a border up are you suggesting the EU are going to put the hard border up? The truth is no hard border will exist whatever is or isn’t agreed. Therefore it’s a complete red herring. More to the point it’s been engineered by the EU to ensure the backstop and to create a position of strength for the EU in negotiations, the idiots in charge of the WA are to blame( no wonder they’re remainers) So we have an open border between north and southern ireland ? Free movement of goods and people ? Edited January 10, 2019 by Ani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Ani said: So we have an open border between north and southern ireland ? Free movement of goods and people ? There will be no hard border is what I said. Never mentioned free movement of goods or people. Edited January 10, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2019 Land Rover have booted 4,500 jobs out today, though that's down to a shrinking market in China. So not exactly Brexit related However, one of our competitors has laid off 230 people today in Norfolk. That is being blamed solely on Brexit and the shit it's already caused, along with their firm conviction that it needs to pull a lot of its operation towards its European locations. Let's hope Colmans can sell a lot of mustard as that's a lot of people signing on otherwise. I'm telling you, the industry I'm in is shitting itself. It's not all doom of course, but there are people pulling ladders up all over the place. I'm struggling to find positives today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 10, 2019 Moderators Share Posted January 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: There will be no hard border is what I said. Never mentioned free movement of goods or people. im reading claim and counter claim and i dont know the answer so let me ask does the GFA require free movement of people does WTO require border checks its dead simple, im expecting a two word post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: There will be no hard border is what I said. Never mentioned free movement of goods or people. Will there be freedom of movement? Will the people of Ireland be able to move move freely across the border? Might be easier if you just explain how the border will work and how it will be different to rest of Europe, because i do not understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Casino said: im reading claim and counter claim and i dont know the answer so let me ask does the GFA require free movement of people does WTO require border checks its dead simple, im expecting a two word post Just checked WTO does not require a border. Can’t be arsed trawling GFA agreement. Edited January 10, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 30 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Just checked WTO does not require a border. Can’t be arsed trawling GFA agreement. WTO does not require a border. But you cannot offer preferential borders under WTO rules. So the same arrangements would need to be in place on all borders. This has been explained already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 42 minutes ago, Casino said: im reading claim and counter claim and i dont know the answer so let me ask does the GFA require free movement of people does WTO require border checks its dead simple, im expecting a two word post 1) Yes 2) No - but it requires equivalence across your borders.... Simple enough hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Spider said: Land Rover have booted 4,500 jobs out today, though that's down to a shrinking market in China. So not exactly Brexit related However, one of our competitors has laid off 230 people today in Norfolk. That is being blamed solely on Brexit and the shit it's already caused, along with their firm conviction that it needs to pull a lot of its operation towards its European locations. Let's hope Colmans can sell a lot of mustard as that's a lot of people signing on otherwise. I'm telling you, the industry I'm in is shitting itself. It's not all doom of course, but there are people pulling ladders up all over the place. I'm struggling to find positives today. You can always rely on Karen Colman, the Grace Kelly with black hair of Norfolk As long as they’re sponsoring the Norfolk Bravery Awards I’m sure they’ll be growing and employing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 All bollocks isn’t it ? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/mps-told-its-fine-to-use-the-word-b-in-the-brexit-debate-after-gove-mocks-labours-position-a4035736.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: All bollocks isn’t it ? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/mps-told-its-fine-to-use-the-word-b-in-the-brexit-debate-after-gove-mocks-labours-position-a4035736.html As much as I don’t want labour in power I’d love to see them handle the Brexit negotiations would be wonderful viewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said: As much as I don’t want labour in power I’d love to see them handle the Brexit negotiations would be wonderful viewing. Labour is in disarray as usual mate. Corbyn’s calling for another GE will backfire spectacularly....even half of his own thick cretinous young uneducated antisemitic voters have turned against him........hope you see what this thick old Nazi racist twat did then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted January 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: As much as I don’t want labour in power I’d love to see them handle the Brexit negotiations would be wonderful viewing. Dianne Abbott would make every 24 hour news channel comedy gold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, MickyD said: Dianne Abbott would make every 24 hour news channel comedy gold. 36 hour daily channel Amended for accuracy by Dianne Abbott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 10, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted January 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: All bollocks isn’t it ? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/mps-told-its-fine-to-use-the-word-b-in-the-brexit-debate-after-gove-mocks-labours-position-a4035736.html I know you might not want him stood behind you, but I don't mind Gove as a speaker. Doesn't come over all Deirdre, with neck veins popping and the colour of a match head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 And another horrific attack on a child. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/girl-14-left-with-lifechanging-injuries-after-being-slashed-across-face-in-barnet-coroners-court-car-a4035656.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true When is it going to stop in London ? Thank god I live in a tranquil part of Lancashire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: And another horrific attack on a child. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/girl-14-left-with-lifechanging-injuries-after-being-slashed-across-face-in-barnet-coroners-court-car-a4035656.html?amp&__twitter_impression=true When is it going to stop in London ? Thank god I live in a tranquil part of Lancashire. What’s that got to do with theBrexit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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