Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 5, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2019 Not to worry, nissan has to give money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 5, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, Spider said: No, but a decent percentage was. But we didn't see it as export - it's mainly Ireland. I will caveat this by saying it's under a no deal scenario. But we are 7 weeks off and still fuck all news. That is ridiculous. It is ridiculous I agree. Are European competitors, importing into the UK, and if so, could some of your losses be offset be gaining home based customers who will also have to pay more for their imports? No doubt an oversimplification, but is it possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 5, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2019 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: It is ridiculous I agree. Are European competitors, importing into the UK, and if so, could some of your losses be offset be gaining home based customers who will also have to pay more for their imports? No doubt an oversimplification, but is it possible? The main problem for us is that we have competitors on the continent who have struggled to steal any customers. Eg, an Irish customer was better buying off us in the UK for pricing (exchange rates helped) and proximity. Now, they can buy from Holland/Portugal and pay a fraction more but be certain they can trade seamlessly. Delivery and stock are vital. The whole uncertainty of Brexit has them running for cover. I can't honestly say this any other way - They cannot risk us not being able to deliver. Therefore, they are playing it safe and using EU suppliers. They don't want to, but projects going on this year must be completed so at the absolute best, we've lost them for 2019. That's not good. We'll survive, but I know many won't. It's just lost revenue. My retirement home in Spain will have to wait for the windfall Brexit brings in the next 20/25 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nordkurve Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, Spider said: The main problem for us is that we have competitors on the continent who have struggled to steal any customers. Eg, an Irish customer was better buying off us in the UK for pricing (exchange rates helped) and proximity. Now, they can buy from Holland/Portugal and pay a fraction more but be certain they can trade seamlessly. Delivery and stock are vital. The whole uncertainty of Brexit has them running for cover. I can't honestly say this any other way - They cannot risk us not being able to deliver. Therefore, they are playing it safe and using EU suppliers. They don't want to, but projects going on this year must be completed so at the absolute best, we've lost them for 2019. That's not good. We'll survive, but I know many won't. It's just lost revenue. My retirement home in Spain will have to wait for the windfall Brexit brings in the next 20/25 years. You might need to live a bit longer mate: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2018/jul/24/two-50-or-100-years-when-do-leavers-think-brexit-will-pay-off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, Spider said: The main problem for us is that we have competitors on the continent who have struggled to steal any customers. Eg, an Irish customer was better buying off us in the UK for pricing (exchange rates helped) and proximity. Now, they can buy from Holland/Portugal and pay a fraction more but be certain they can trade seamlessly. Delivery and stock are vital. The whole uncertainty of Brexit has them running for cover. I can't honestly say this any other way - They cannot risk us not being able to deliver. Therefore, they are playing it safe and using EU suppliers. They don't want to, but projects going on this year must be completed so at the absolute best, we've lost them for 2019. That's not good. We'll survive, but I know many won't. It's just lost revenue. My retirement home in Spain will have to wait for the windfall Brexit brings in the next 20/25 years. ...and this is where the whole thing will fail. Panic and the subsequent domino effect caused by issues you describe here. Folk are selfish, our people from top to bottom are selfish. As soon as any kind of shit hit even begins to hit the fan, people will panic and pull the plug. Exactly the same as happened at the first sign of trouble the last time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 5, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2019 Can only ever be estimates though can't they. It can only be an estimate where we would be in 'x' number of years within the EU too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Spider said: I've a question If it's no deal, we automatically switch to WTO trading terms, correct? Well I've had to spend the last day or 2 figuring these out for the final remnants of our export customers. Seamless? yyyyyeeeeaaaahhhhhhhh oooookkkkaaaaayyyyyyyyy then. Go here: http://tariffdata.wto.org/ReportersAndProducts.aspx Now, find the product you sell (and bear in mind it's somewhat vague in places) and it will tell you what the tariff is. Next, remember that there are currently NO tariffs between the UK and other EU members. Then, add the tariff for your product on to the price you're selling at. Finally, inform your customer that their price will be going UP under a WTO scenario for no reason whatsoever, then listen to them piss themselves down the line at you. Most amusingly of all - let them ask you for the millionth time what the plan is on the 29th March. For a further giggle, they will then tell you that as no solid answer is forthcoming, they're off. Isn’t there a period of grace where current tariffs are honoured. Worth checking, if so nothing changes on 29th even if we drop out without a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 5, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Isn’t there a period of grace where current tariffs are honoured. Worth checking, if so nothing changes on 29th even if we drop out without a deal. Mounts, please read what I am writing. This bit here: The customers are not prepared to risk the unknown. If I went over and said "there might be a period of grace..." they'd be closing their laptops by the time I'd said "might be" They don't like maybe's, they like certainty. Yes, it may all turn out fine by the end of the year, but that's not what they want. Here, at the coal face, people make decision based on as much certainty as they can get. Brexit is the least certain chain of events in our lifetime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 5, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2019 I will add - some people don't have other choices regarding supply. My customers do. In the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Nordkurve said: I agree, especially about the fact the North East is underfunded, and they didn't give a shit about the Steel industry up there, but the fact is, what they did, or the way they did it more specifically was illegal. Ironically, I imagine it would have had to get EU approval first ! Exactly EU regulations, that’s why steel in North East and Port Talbot couldn’t be helped to keep going by the Government, but after the 29th we can do what’s best for US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 41 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Isn’t there a period of grace where current tariffs are honoured. Worth checking, if so nothing changes on 29th even if we drop out without a deal. That’s why I said worth checking it and if there is there is no uncertainty. TBH surprised you’ve not checked it yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-leave-no-deal-what-happens-eu-talks-david-davis-a8460416.html Just checked 2 year transition period would be an end to uncertainty for your customers. Just checked the transition only kicks in when WA signed which of course it is but not passed through parliament. That needs clarifying by both parties ASAP for the likes of your company. Edited February 5, 2019 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 5, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-leave-no-deal-what-happens-eu-talks-david-davis-a8460416.html Just checked 2 year transition period would be an end to uncertainty for your customers. Just checked the transition only kicks in when WA signed which of course it is but not passed through parliament. That needs clarifying by both parties ASAP for the likes of your company. No It needed doing 5 months ago when our customers required clarification before putting projects in place. I know you're only trying to help mate, but honestly you've got to see it from THEIR point of view. I could not lie and give them assurances if I had none to give them. It's not about us, it's about what they see from this side of the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderators Casino Posted February 5, 2019 Moderators Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Spider said: I've a question If it's no deal, we automatically switch to WTO trading terms, correct? Well I've had to spend the last day or 2 figuring these out for the final remnants of our export customers. Seamless? yyyyyeeeeaaaahhhhhhhh oooookkkkaaaaayyyyyyyyy then. Go here: http://tariffdata.wto.org/ReportersAndProducts.aspx Now, find the product you sell (and bear in mind it's somewhat vague in places) and it will tell you what the tariff is. Next, remember that there are currently NO tariffs between the UK and other EU members. Then, add the tariff for your product on to the price you're selling at. Finally, inform your customer that their price will be going UP under a WTO scenario for no reason whatsoever, then listen to them piss themselves down the line at you. Most amusingly of all - let them ask you for the millionth time what the plan is on the 29th March. For a further giggle, they will then tell you that as no solid answer is forthcoming, they're off. i had to ship one pallet to switzerland last week took hours of fcuking about france, one phone call of about 2 minutes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 51 minutes ago, Spider said: No It needed doing 5 months ago when our customers required clarification before putting projects in place. I know you're only trying to help mate, but honestly you've got to see it from THEIR point of view. I could not lie and give them assurances if I had none to give them. It's not about us, it's about what they see from this side of the water. Sympathies with you on this, the government and EU need to get this sorted with the utmost urgency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Spider said: No, but a decent percentage was. But we didn't see it as export - it's mainly Ireland. I will caveat this by saying it's under a no deal scenario. But we are 7 weeks off and still fuck all news. That is ridiculous. Watch BBC1s documentary from last night on the EU/Greece financial crunch. They only make hard decisions at the latest possible time (or even later!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted February 5, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, MalcolmW said: Watch BBC1s documentary from last night on the EU/Greece financial crunch. They only make hard decisions at the latest possible time (or even later!). Forgot about that- worth watching on i-player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: Forgot about that- worth watching on i-player? Definitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 5, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, MalcolmW said: Watch BBC1s documentary from last night on the EU/Greece financial crunch. They only make hard decisions at the latest possible time (or even later!). Ok. that should help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 29 minutes ago, Spider said: Ok. that should help. Just got to wait until the last minute Spider and the master plan will be revealed before your very eyes or it may just turn out to be unicorns again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, MalcolmW said: Watch BBC1s documentary from last night on the EU/Greece financial crunch. They only make hard decisions at the latest possible time (or even later!). Brilliant watch that. Came away with the feeling that the main players were rather helpful and benign as opposed to some autocratic dictatorship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 50 minutes ago, kent_white said: Brilliant watch that. Came away with the feeling that the main players were rather helpful and benign as opposed to some autocratic dictatorship. Try telling that to Greece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Moon boy said: Try telling that to Greece Watching the programme made me reconsider my position. I'd always sympathised with Greece, Tspiras and enjoyed listening to Varoufakis as an orator, but watching it from the perspective of the EU was an eye opener. Greece were fucked and did their level best to bite the hand that was trying to save them - and by extension the rest of Eurioe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter fatolive Posted February 5, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2019 This backstop issue, no one wants but the deal can’t be done without it which will lead to a hard border anyway. May says she’s going to get some amendments to it, the EU says it’s non negotiable. seems to be potential stalemate but she’s in Belfast today preaching her unionism political heritage, as if onthe charm offensive. wouldnt she be very clever if the amendment she has in mind is the back stop doesn’t exist/ no time limit, however, if no border solution, technology or whatever is found after the transition, then NI reverts to the EU original plan of special economic area and the rest of the UK leaves. EU can hardly refuse as it was their plan initially, the DUP will go apeshit but they don’t even represent all unionists never mind all NI so may be on the charm today to get others on side and fuck them off. Border issue solved, leave solved for the majority of the Uk everyone happy apart from Arlenes mob. May be far fetched, just a thought on a possibility,not a prediction or even think it will happen, just think it could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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