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[Mounts Kipper]

14 minutes ago, Spider said:

It’s still going terrifically well I see.

Im aware I haven’t mentioned the situation from a real time exporting point of view.

so.

The Irish and Dutch are working extremely well together and no longer give a shit if we set fire to the entire country and return to a pastoral existence with a repeat of the Corn Laws.

the EU seem to still be in “bemused” mode and Boris clearly expects No Deal.

No one appears better off and the Government coffers look like taking a £5billion hit for stockpiling and a massive leaflet drop.

 

We can deduct the 5 billion from divorce bill,  let the Eu think about that.  We could be 34  billion better off if they don’t see sense. Happy days. 👍

Edited August 1, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We can deduct the 5 billion from divorce bill,  let the Eu think about that.  We will be 34  billion better off. Happy days. 👍

We won’t.

who's giving us £34billion????

 

that’s like me saying I’m a million quid better off because I haven’t spent it on beer

Edited August 1, 2019 by Spider

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We can deduct the 5 billion from divorce bill,  let the Eu think about that.  We could be 34  billion better off if they don’t see sense. Happy days. 👍

Yes, that will go down well when we eventually want to negotiate a Trade Deal with the biggest trading bloc on the planet, which also happens to be on our doorstep.

[Salford Trotter]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We can deduct the 5 billion from divorce bill,  let the Eu think about that.  We will be 34  billion better off. Happy days. 👍

You do realise that £39b was due to be paid over the next 30 years so you make another nonsense point. Equally if we refused to pay any of that commitment then our credit rating will drop further than than the current AA with Fitch (AAA in 2015) and we are in 'negative watch' status which suggests we could drop to Aa imminently raising the interest charges on any borrowing the Gvt make from the money markets. That raise would dwarf the £9b net cost of EU contributions

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Explain why it's a bad deal again.... 

No

not for you

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

No

not for you

Thought not. 

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

You do realise that £39b was due to be paid over the next 30 years so you make another nonsense point. Equally if we refused to pay any of that commitment then our credit rating will drop further than than the current AA with Fitch (AAA in 2015) and we are in 'negative watch' status which suggests we could drop to Aa imminently raising the interest charges on any borrowing the Gvt make from the money markets. That raise would dwarf the £9b net cost of EU contributions

It still needs paying, so hows it a nonesense point, doesn’t it count if it’s over 30 years? 

[Mounts Kipper]

16 minutes ago, Spider said:

We won’t.

who's giving us £34billion????

 

that’s like me saying I’m a million quid better off because I haven’t spent it on beer

We’ve agreed to pay 39 billion,  therefore if we don’t pay it we’re better off by 34 billion assuming we’ve paid 5 billion for Brexit contingency. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Thought not. 

Well, you hardly deserve it

[Salford Trotter]

13 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It still needs paying, so hows it a nonesense point, doesn’t it count if it’s over 30 years? 

so you already knew it was going to be paid over 30 years? So why do you refer to this payment in other posts as if it was a lump sum that we can use to cushion the blow of no deal when we can't?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

13 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We’ve agreed to pay 39 billion,  therefore if we don’t pay it we’re better off by 34 billion assuming we’ve paid 5 billion for Brexit contingency. 

We should have left already, but are still paying for membership. If we delay beyond October, we'll still be paying for membership.

It's a similar argument to potting Parky, the sooner it's done, the sooner you stop paying. (I know you won't mind if Parky hangs on a bit, but you get the point!).

The longer we keep delaying, further money is disappearing, before we leave, meanwhile business risks stagnating whilst it holds back on investment. Not happened yet, so it's imperative to get out sooner, and keep the tax take as high as possible.

Money spent now, on preparation, may be a wise investment.

Moreover, it we didn't, the same moaners would complain we hadn't spent adequately on preparation for a no deal situation.

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

so you already knew it was going to be paid over 30 years? So why do you refer to this payment in other posts as if it was a lump sum that we can use to cushion the blow of no deal when we can't?

Why was my post nonsense because it’s paid over 30 years? 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

We won’t.

who's giving us £34billion????

 

that’s like me saying I’m a million quid better off because I haven’t spent it on beer

If you've already signed up with several breweries to sup that much ale, then don't you can spend it on drugs if you so choose. Or burgers, whores whatever.

[Cheese]

14 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

If you've already signed up with several breweries to sup that much ale, then don't you can spend it on drugs if you so choose. Or burgers, whores whatever.

No, the breweries would take you to court for not fulfilling the contract (seeing as they're already in the process of brewing all the ale you signed up to buy), so you either end up paying up, or get made bankrupt and blacklisted for the foreseeable future.

Good luck negotiating any other massive ale orders after that.

Edited August 1, 2019 by Cheese

[Salford Trotter]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Why was my post nonsense because it’s paid over 30 years? 

Because the divorce deal says we would pay approx £1.3b each year softens the blow and can be accrued over a longer period. So having to stump £5b upfront just for comms and emergency planning is a huge difference particularly as we also have a £30b hit on GDP each year if we go no deal which is a double whammy. Not to reflect the reality is either demonstrating a lack of understanding or choosing to ignore something just because it suits your narrative, that's the nonsense bit

Edited August 1, 2019 by Salford Trotter

[Sweep]

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

No, they haven’t 

Its a shite deal, and should be binned. Theresa was stupid to even think it might get through.

This is where there is a bit of a problem, clearly you think Mays deal was shit.... Another leaver, Mounts, said he was happy with it (apart from the backstop part) - so two leavers can't agree on whats acceptable.

 

Even Boris voted to get Mays deal through last time.... So he must have decided he liked it (after not liking it the first two times) 😀

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

This is where there is a bit of a problem, clearly you think Mays deal was shit.... Another leaver, Mounts, said he was happy with it (apart from the backstop part) - so two leavers can't agree on whats acceptable.

 

Even Boris voted to get Mays deal through last time.... So he must have decided he liked it (after not liking it the first two times) 😀

And the ERG are now saying they'll vote against ANY deal. It's been one big con from start to finish.

[Mounts Kipper]

13 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Because the divorce deal says we would pay approx £1.3b each year softens the blow and can be accrued over a longer period. So having to stump £5b upfront just for comms and emergency planning is a huge difference particularly as we also have a £30b hit on GDP each year if we go no deal which is a double whammy. Not to reflect the reality is either demonstrating a lack of understanding or choosing to ignore something just because it suits your narrative, that's the nonsense bit

It’s convenient you forget we save 19 billion each year when we leave, so that 5 billion is peanuts in fact it’ll be back in our treasury in about 3 months after we leave , your arguments stand zero scrutiny.  

Edited August 1, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Farrelli]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

You've no other option.

He's the PM and is doing it his way. Time will tell whether or not it works, but folk knocking everythingbefore he's got going really are helping hugely.

Never stopped moaning since the vote (before it actually) and will still be moaning well into the future.

His strategy is don't talk to the EU until they drop the backstop (this was requested by our govt). He has not offered any viable alternative to the backstop. He is threatening no deal if they don't drop the backstop.

We are leaving on 31st October according to Boris regardless of what happens.

Please tell me how that strategy is going to work in bringing anything other than a no deal brexit ? 

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, Sweep said:

This is where there is a bit of a problem, clearly you think Mays deal was shit.... Another leaver, Mounts, said he was happy with it (apart from the backstop part) - so two leavers can't agree on whats acceptable.

 

Even Boris voted to get Mays deal through last time.... So he must have decided he liked it (after not liking it the first two times) 😀

You are smarter than that, Sweep

[Salford Trotter]

21 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s convenient you forget we save 19 billion each year when we leave, so that 5 billion is peanuts in fact it’ll be back in our treasury in about 3 months after we leave , your arguments stand zero scrutiny.  

Take me through your numbers

[Mounts Kipper]

10 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

Take me through your numbers

Apologies 9 billon, 6 months then.  Surprised you forgot the yearly contributions of 9 billion. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Salford Trotter]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Apologies 9 billon, 6 months then. 👍

So have you taken into account the increased cost of border agency staff, the increased number of civil servants, the tax revenue loss on the GDP hit, the cost of the increased gvt borrowing to fill the GDP gap? Also, the uncertainty of brexit has already cost the UK economy c£66b over the last 3 years, where is that factored in? 

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

So have you taken into account the increased cost of border agency staff, the increased number of civil servants, the tax revenue loss on the GDP hit, the cost of the increased gvt borrowing to fill the GDP gap? Also, the uncertainty of brexit has already cost the UK economy c£66b over the last 3 years, where is that factored in? 

 They'll  be a deal, no need for extra staff, no GDP hit either and our economy’s doing just fine and not nose dived as remainers lies suggested as soon as we voted leave. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Tonge moor green jacket]

We can accept uncertainty isn't helping, but plucking figures of £66bn; no doubt another remain centred expert has derived that from tea leaves.

However, as it isn't helpful, then someone finally putting a definite time limit on it is doing the right thing.

And investment in that process is also the right way to go.