Politics

[kent_white]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

Shitting it mate !

 

Right, fuck off, you’re boring me now you’ve lost as usual, got things to do

 

The self proclaimed winner strikes again! The Floyd Mayweather of internet trolling. Have a good night mate!

[miamiwhite]

Just now, kent_white said:

The self proclaimed winner strikes again! The Floyd Mayweather of internet trolling. Have a good night mate!

It’s a no brainier mate.....you know full well if Yaxley Lennon was protesting against the Nuneaton Sharia Court, you’d be spraying your head pink, green and purple, holding a placard calling him a racist divisive bigot and screaming until you’re hoarse along with several others on here.

But when it’s the black sisters protesting, it’s pure silence.

I’ll give those brave Southall Sisters full praise and acclaim for their actions. That is very brave of them and should be applauded.

Anyway, have a good night Amir Khan, you’ve lost as many as him

 

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

It’s a no brainier mate.....you know full well if Yaxley Lennon was protesting against the Nuneaton Sharia Court, you’d be spraying your head pink, green and purple, holding a placard calling him a racist divisive bigot and screaming until you’re hoarse along with several others on here.

But when it’s the black sisters protesting, it’s pure silence.

I’ll give those brave Southall Sisters full praise and acclaim for their actions. That is very brave of them and should be applauded.

Anyway, have a good night Amir Khan, you’ve lost as many as him

 

Aye - you keep trying to find a moral equivalence between the two 🙄

I'd take 5 losses - none of them have been against you mind!

[miamiwhite]

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Aye - you keep trying to find a moral equivalence between the two 🙄

I'd take 5 losses - none of them have been against you mind!

Go and spray your wig

 

[Not in Crawley]

25 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

It's not even close to being in the same category as "Intolerant" and "bigot". They are words to shut down debate, demonise and de-legitimise someone who has a different view to you. We saw a very early example of this when the pompous Gordon Brown stormed out of a Rochdale woman's house in the 2010 election. We've had plenty of the same since. 

Erm, yes they are.

Are you really brimming with so much anger?

Again, calm down, take a breath.

[Jol_BWFC]

1 hour ago, miamiwhite said:

Your friends must be boring cunts if you’re reading Wanderersways when you’re out with them

Hey Coco, you love airing your opinions but always drift away when the truth hits home.

Enjoy your night x

They’re good lads (albeit Chelsea, Gooners and a Geordie) but I have an eye on the take over and match threads, I can’t help it.

No threats from me. I’m not a fighter. You going tomorrow? 

[miamiwhite]

20 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

They’re good lads (albeit Chelsea, Gooners and a Geordie) but I have an eye on the take over and match threads, I can’t help it.

No threats from me. I’m not a fighter. You going tomorrow? 

Working unfortunately fella, absolutely snowed under with it,  but will definitely have a beer with you at another match in the near future. Will probably do the T20 at Old Trafford in the evening.

No threats from me either, I’m too old for that crap, would much rather have a laugh any-day

Enjoy your night buddy and don’t stay out too late that you miss the match tomorrow.

I’m.going for a 4-0 to them, echoes of Scarborough.

[Mounts Kipper]

 

Change is a coming. 

While dramatically ramping up No Deal planning in public, behind-the-scenes talks opened with Brussels last week as Mr Johnson’s new ‘sherpa’, David Frost, headed to the Belgian capital with little fanfare.

A source said ‘all the cockiness had gone’ from the Brussels side, with EU officials shifting from ‘transmission mode’ to ‘listening’.

They added: ‘Michel Barnier was asking a lot of questions for the first time in ages.’

 

[paulhanley]

This is by Douglas Murray in yesterday's Telegraph. I've mentioned to one or two on here that they need grief counselling. I'm clearly not the only one thinking in those terms. He articulates this better than I could - so here it is in full.

History is not going to judge kindly the deep-seated, democracy denying variety of Remainers.

 

Grief-stricken Remainers have poisoned our politics with their Brexit despair

According to the Swiss psychiatrist Elisabeth Kubler-Ross there are five stages of grief. They are - in chronological order - denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. If there is a reason why the last three years in British public life have been not just to tumultuous but so vicious, it is down to the simple fact that a portion of this country has not yet progressed to that final stage. Indeed they seem nowhere near it.

As a Leave voted I don't blame them for a feeling of grief. I simply think they should have got over it. I had a tiny portion of the experience myself more than three years ago as I watched the early referendum results come in from Gibralter and elsewhere. "Oh well" I thought as I ran a bath, "That's a shame".

I was slightly glum that night. Morose even, as I prepared for an early bed. But at no point during those brief hours did I descend in to speckle-flecked rage. At no stage did it occur to me that I should call for the referendum to be recast or declared invalid. I did not start choosing to pretend that it was not clear what he had been voting for. Nor did I start to prepare a cull of my friends, cleansing from view all those who had voted Remain. 

I did not start pretending that half of the country were racists or otherwise bigoted. The spectre of Russian bots did not dance around my retinas. The only I thought was "Well perhaps we'll get another vote in 40 years". In the meantime I remember thinking very clearly, we should probably make the best job we can of this.

Of course, as the referendum night progressed, the results went the way I had voted but not expected. And I suppose it is in the nature of political upsets that those who were most certain about the direction of travel of a country (indeed the world) are thrown most violently when the world pulls one of its surprises.

Yet the shock of the 2016 vote cannot be the only reason why our public and political life remains so tempestuous. There is another reason for that: which is that over these three rage-filled years, there have been constant re-injections of hope in to Remainers.

This poisonous drip-drip holds out the possibility that the result might be reversed or otherwise thwarted. Dire imprecations about the consequences of a no-deal Brexit are merely the most recent demonstration of this tragic fact. 

It started immediately after the referendum with claims that the Brexit vote had been an expression of "hate". Fake statistics were cooked up to pretend that in the wake of the referendum result the British people had celebrated by attacking and even killing ethnic and sexual minorities.

Such defamations went around the planet. And while those who lost the vote were perfectly within their rights to express shock and horror at the result, these denial and anger phases were excessively, deeply and perhaps unforgivably ugly.

The bargaining ought to have come next. Yet disastrously for everyone, the bargaining often appeared likely to be successful. Endless legal actions were launched, attempting to use the courts to reverse the vote or declare it in some way null or void. Parliament too was coralled in to this cause, with MPs of all parties trying to stop Brexit from happening. 

In the process lawmakers blithely trampled across ground which remained untrodden since the Civil War. Where does power reside in our country? Does it reside within the people or in Parliament? And what are the people to do if Parliament either refuses to enact the will of the people or turns against them?

At every occasion on which Remain voters have begun having to reconcile themselves with the referendum result, inevitable new reasons not to do so kept coming along - not all of their own creation. 

When Theresa May called her snap election in 2017, and when that election produced an even smaller government majority (and one only cobbled together with the help of the DUP) some of those who had begun to reconcile to Brexit started to think perhaps they didn't need to do so after all. The possibility of reversal got its biggest boost.

The bargaining appeared to have worked. No need to move on to depression. And so the Remainers dragged the country around the denial and anger stages once again.

It is a process that has been repeated inventively, if endlessly. Today, if you simply that the 2016 referendum results should be respected, you will be told by a serious and sincere chunk of the general public that the vote was either stolen (Russians, bots, Cambridge Analytica, Martians) or is in fact impossible to interpret.

It was this last claim that I was treated to again on the BBC's Newsnight this week, when the presented proposed to me that there is no mandate for Brexit because it is not at all clear what the public voted for in 2016.

As I observed in the studio, the feeling persists that although we were given two options to choose between that June, we were really only meant to tick one of those boxes. To try out the counter-factual again, if we had voted Remain in 2016 would presenter after presenter on the BBC and elsewhere still be insisting that it was not clear what the public had voted for in 2016?

These and many other devices have been popularised because they are consolations to those who lost. Yet it is a catastrophe for this country that we are still here.

After more than three years it simply should not be the case that we are still debating what the public meant when they voted to leave the European Union. We should have just left. Some people say that is simple-minded. But here is an even more simple fact: you either have a democracy or you don't. 

Now we have reached the latest and perhaps not the last attempt to undo or otherwise neuter the public vote. Today, with the Government majority whittled down to a single seat, the whiff of Brexit reversal is in the air again.As the Johnson Government rightly begins to prepare for the possibility of a no-deal Brexit, apocalyptic claims about this outcome are being pushed across the media. Mark Carney has once again come out to warn of the terrible uncertainty that would be caused by a no-deal Brexit.

There are any number of questions one might ask the Governor of the Bank of England about this. Perhaps Mr Carney can explain the point in history - ancient or modern - during which certainty existed? Or the period during which financial markets experienced no uncertainty?

In reality, there is a pattern here that an increasingly un-scareable public has picked up on. Which is that we have heard all these things before. And always from the same people. They are not people who are uniquely opposed to this or that method of Brexit. but simply people who think that Britain should not leave the European Union and that the attraction of the EU is such that only a madman would wish to exit its orbit.

It is a view. But it is one to which the British Public expressed themselves as being in opposition. 

Three years on our country simply should not be here. Yet we are here not only because of the failure of the entire political class, but because  a portion of the people who lost the vote remain stuck in the mid-way point of grief. They ought to be past that by now: past the denial, anger and bargaining: past even the depression and ready to dock in to the happy harbour of acceptance. 

It is not just that it would be good for the hold-out Remainers to reconcile themselves to electoral reality. It is also the only way in which this country can heal from a period we may look back on with joy or grief, but should never seek to replay.

[Guest]

Cummings has advised MPs that it is too late to stop Brexit on 31 October. There's nothing they can do.

[paulhanley]

18 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Cummings has advised MPs that it is too late to stop Brexit on 31 October. There's nothing they can do.

Just read that. Grieve, Gauke, Adonis, Blair and Swinson will still be plotting away trying to deny democracy. The only other route they have to stop what 17.4m people voted for is to revoke article 50. There's never been a majority for that before, even in this remainer parliament. 

It's certainly the time to be a grief counsellor. The hard bitten remainers will require their services a great deal.

[Guest]

45 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Just read that. Grieve, Gauke, Adonis, Blair and Swinson will still be plotting away trying to deny democracy. The only other route they have to stop what 17.4m people voted for is to revoke article 50. There's never been a majority for that before, even in this remainer parliament. 

It's certainly the time to be a grief counsellor. The hard bitten remainers will require their services a great deal.

Big party on Thursday, 31 October then.

[paulhanley]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Big party on Thursday, 31 October then.

Don't count on it yet. The anti-democrats will stop at nothing. If we do get the hell out on October 31 I reckon it'll be an evening and following day for a quiet few beers and then a good roast beef Sunday lunch on the following weekend. I wouldn't want to be too triumphal, except towards the absolute worst of the remain camp. We can soberly and respectfully welcome a vote being respected and implemented and the resumption of Britain's status as a sovereign nation state after a deviation of four decades.

[miamiwhite]

31 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Big party on Thursday, 31 October then.

The remainers will hide their tears by wearing Halloween masks.

Nice reverse psychology used here, the tide has turned

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49223319

[jules_darby]

7 hours ago, paulhanley said:

Just read that. Grieve, Gauke, Adonis, Blair and Swinson will still be plotting away trying to deny democracy. The only other route they have to stop what 17.4m people voted for is to revoke article 50. There's never been a majority for that before, even in this remainer parliament. 

It's certainly the time to be a grief counsellor. The hard bitten remainers will require their services a great deal.

Funny you calling remainers bitter seeing as your every post on this thread is doused with more bitterness than an orchard of lemon trees 

Anyway the pound is doing well and this looks like great news too. The blue passports will just be the cherry on top 

https://digitaledition.telegraph.co.uk/editions/edition_EzVdb_2019-08-04/data/697029/index.html?share=1&WT.mc_id=tmgapp_inar_share&utm_source=tmgapp&utm_medium=inar&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=tmgapp_inar_share&Expires=1567292400&Signature=g8CvtG5pxJcODvmIOcMSC7RePMooWK9x2bVIbINEwGeePZLGH7CFGuf6kWRNQBNXOjIhrgEXX09aond9uLuTAamkeAPkiqXOIsMusFuR~WzvX2VXf98rgWAn35nUzc4E43we1KyRBhFKOxFRWiOrnq59ah8gvY9EAN3VExYgWqYedst3tkoutM5VXD-6WtkjjZNMCneMRsP9H-Q4I9KCD-QBtpnqNGBgJPYySmdoj~1AcXlwwS5J9APa14np2c3m9qm3DFVuz0yFp8wRde8PQ0k7~PEp2dQZ7nIqAZfuIViGlk9-cwAsugGp4N2eu1~LGaHxUYI5kZdfgEPiPsf1YQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLCEPDGCTPVKXNOA

[Mounts Kipper]

31 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Funny you calling remainers bitter seeing as your every post on this thread is doused with more bitterness than an orchard of lemon trees 

Anyway the pound is doing well and this looks like great news too. The blue passports will just be the cherry on top 

https://digitaledition.telegraph.co.uk/editions/edition_EzVdb_2019-08-04/data/697029/index.html?share=1&WT.mc_id=tmgapp_inar_share&utm_source=tmgapp&utm_medium=inar&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=tmgapp_inar_share&Expires=1567292400&Signature=g8CvtG5pxJcODvmIOcMSC7RePMooWK9x2bVIbINEwGeePZLGH7CFGuf6kWRNQBNXOjIhrgEXX09aond9uLuTAamkeAPkiqXOIsMusFuR~WzvX2VXf98rgWAn35nUzc4E43we1KyRBhFKOxFRWiOrnq59ah8gvY9EAN3VExYgWqYedst3tkoutM5VXD-6WtkjjZNMCneMRsP9H-Q4I9KCD-QBtpnqNGBgJPYySmdoj~1AcXlwwS5J9APa14np2c3m9qm3DFVuz0yFp8wRde8PQ0k7~PEp2dQZ7nIqAZfuIViGlk9-cwAsugGp4N2eu1~LGaHxUYI5kZdfgEPiPsf1YQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLCEPDGCTPVKXNOA

I’ll take this paragraph as a major positive.

 

With Brexit three months away, a new prime minister and the real threat of a no-deal exit, it’s surprising to see so many new jobs open up. Hopefully, this can be the start of a much needed injection the City is crying out for.”

Also remember a weak pound helps our manufacturing base and exports and helps rebalance our economy, something we badly need.

Edited August 4, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[jules_darby]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I’ll take this paragraph as a major positive.

 

With Brexit three months away, a new prime minister and the real threat of a no-deal exit, it’s surprising to see so many new jobs open up. Hopefully, this can be the start of a much needed injection the City is crying out for.”

The pertinent word is “hope”

That’s not a positive FFS

[Jol_BWFC]

Just now, jules_darby said:

The pertinent word is “hope”

That’s not a positive FFS

But Mounts can take one paragraph of “hope” within a pile of shit and claim a positive spin on it.

I’ll pass that good news on to my neighbour who was made redundant from his job in the City at the end of last year. 8 months later and he still hasn’t found a replacement job and the recruiters all say there is nothing out there as the financial institutions aren’t hiring. It’s taking its toll, as he has a wife, two kids under 5 years old and mortgage to pay.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, jules_darby said:

Funny you calling remainers bitter seeing as your every post on this thread is doused with more bitterness than an orchard of lemon trees 

Anyway the pound is doing well and this looks like great news too. The blue passports will just be the cherry on top 

https://digitaledition.telegraph.co.uk/editions/edition_EzVdb_2019-08-04/data/697029/index.html?share=1&WT.mc_id=tmgapp_inar_share&utm_source=tmgapp&utm_medium=inar&utm_content=share&utm_campaign=tmgapp_inar_share&Expires=1567292400&Signature=g8CvtG5pxJcODvmIOcMSC7RePMooWK9x2bVIbINEwGeePZLGH7CFGuf6kWRNQBNXOjIhrgEXX09aond9uLuTAamkeAPkiqXOIsMusFuR~WzvX2VXf98rgWAn35nUzc4E43we1KyRBhFKOxFRWiOrnq59ah8gvY9EAN3VExYgWqYedst3tkoutM5VXD-6WtkjjZNMCneMRsP9H-Q4I9KCD-QBtpnqNGBgJPYySmdoj~1AcXlwwS5J9APa14np2c3m9qm3DFVuz0yFp8wRde8PQ0k7~PEp2dQZ7nIqAZfuIViGlk9-cwAsugGp4N2eu1~LGaHxUYI5kZdfgEPiPsf1YQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLCEPDGCTPVKXNOA

The pound is doing very well for exports, and it hasn't resulted in inflation, as, erm, "experts" predicted.

[Salford Trotter]

16 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The pound is doing very well for exports, and it hasn't resulted in inflation, as, erm, "experts" predicted.

erm...it did. I had to negotiate 2 price increases over the last 3 years for my then employer who was buying Canadian wheat in US$

Take a look at the 5 year trend

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/food-inflation

 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, jules_darby said:

The pertinent word is “hope”

That’s not a positive FFS

“It’s surprising to see how many news jobs opening up” that’s a factual statement. 

[jules_darby]

9 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

“It’s surprising to see how many news jobs opening up” that’s a factual statement. 

And 

“The number of jobs available in the sector plunged by almost a third in July compared with the same month last year, and a collapse in confidence led to 28pc fewer professionals looking for roles”

isnt?

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Jol_BWFC said:

 

I’ll pass that good news on to my neighbour who was made redundant from his job in the City at the end of last year. 8 months later and he still hasn’t found a replacement job and the recruiters all say there is nothing out there as the financial institutions aren’t hiring. It’s taking its toll, as he has a wife, two kids under 5 years old and mortgage to pay.

Have you not told him it's just  "tough shit" and he should just retrain in another career/industry

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

erm...it did. I had to negotiate 2 price increases over the last 3 years for my then employer who was buying Canadian wheat in US$

Take a look at the 5 year trend

https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/food-inflation

 

Hardly rampant!

[kent_white]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Hardly rampant!

Anybody else spot the goalposts being moved?