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[Mounts Kipper]

9 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said:

Talking about pissing £2bn away...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49183324

50,000 nurses, 25,000 doctors, 4 flagship hospitals that we’re losing out on. It seems that Mounts agrees entirely with John McDonnell. That’s a turn up for the books.

As we’ve said before though, stockpiling medicine is just project fear. Apart from when it’s Project Boris & Sajid.

Just watch what happens now the EU know that we are preparing correctly for a no deal. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[bolty58]

18 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Just watch what happens now the EU know that we are preparing correctly for a no deal. 

 

Should have happened 3 years ago. May and Hammond have a lot to answer for.

[MickyD]

1 minute ago, bolty58 said:

 

Should have happened 3 years ago. May and Hammond have a lot to answer for.

Jeremy Clarkeson isn't without blame either.

[Mounts Kipper]

14 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

 

Should have happened 3 years ago. May and Hammond have a lot to answer for.

Aye and if there is no deal we can easily recoup the 2 billion by not paying the EU the divorce bill. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[kent_white]

11 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Jeremy Clarkeson isn't without blame either.

[bolty58]

37 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Jeremy Clarkeson isn't without blame either.

 Ken Clarke you nitwit 

[Farrelli]

Part of an interview from Newsnight (below) from someone who knows the issues in Ireland. Johnson's strategy is completely flawed and can never come up with a successful solution for the Irish border.  It is ludicrous that he won't talk to the EU until they give up the backstop - stalemate before you even start.  All his visit did yesterday was stir up tensions, having dinner with the DUP is a great way to show you are biased.  I think the PM job is too big for him and his strategy is a nonsense.

Jonathan Powell, chief British negotiator for the Good Friday Agreement, accused the Prime Minister of “not wanting to find a solution” as talks continue to stall between the UK and the EU.

Talking on BBC Newsnight, he said: “The first problem we have got is that Boris Johnson has introduced a precondition.

“He has said that he won’t talk to the Irish and he won’t talk to the EU until they accept that they’re going to give up the backstop.

“Now that kind of precondition never works, he’ll either have to climb down from that and say he’ll talk to them anyway or there is going to be no negotiation.

“If there’s no negotiation that’s because Johnson doesn’t actually want to find a solution and wants to have a hard Brexit”

He added: “He’s clearly trying to frighten them into a negotiation but I don’t think that’s going to work because there is no alternative that so far anyone come up with to the backstop.”

Edited August 1, 2019 by Farrelli

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Did your man vote remain by any chance?

Bloke's been in post just over a week, has focussed initially on this country, but in not capable.

Aye right.

Come back in a few months and let's see where he and the country are at.

[Farrelli]

No idea but I'm just giving an insight into what an experienced negotiator thinks about this current strategy. He also added in the interview that the fall back for any Canada+ type arrangement (even if it could be agreed with the EU) would be a border in the Irish sea.  That would be a red rag to unionist parties and republicans alike.  Quite simply there is no other solution apart from the backstop and a no deal brexit would set off all kinds of border trouble with the paramilitary elements.

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

Part of an interview from Newsnight (below) from someone who knows the issues in Ireland. Johnson's strategy is completely flawed and can never come up with a successful solution for the Irish border.  It is ludicrous that he won't talk to the EU until they give up the backstop - stalemate before you even start.  All his visit did yesterday was stir up tensions, having dinner with the DUP is a great way to show you are biased.  I think the PM job is too big for him and his strategy is a nonsense.

Jonathan Powell, chief British negotiator for the Good Friday Agreement, accused the Prime Minister of “not wanting to find a solution” as talks continue to stall between the UK and the EU.

Talking on BBC Newsnight, he said: “The first problem we have got is that Boris Johnson has introduced a precondition.

“He has said that he won’t talk to the Irish and he won’t talk to the EU until they accept that they’re going to give up the backstop.

“Now that kind of precondition never works, he’ll either have to climb down from that and say he’ll talk to them anyway or there is going to be no negotiation.

“If there’s no negotiation that’s because Johnson doesn’t actually want to find a solution and wants to have a hard Brexit”

He added: “He’s clearly trying to frighten them into a negotiation but I don’t think that’s going to work because there is no alternative that so far anyone come up with to the backstop.”

It’s quite clear that what Johnson is doing is what the EU have done from day 1, the EU precondition is they won’t change the backstop, and the EU have tried their level best to frighten the U.K. into accepting the deal that suits the EU, funny that when our PM does the same it’s all wrong and that an ex civil servant jumps on Johnson’s negotiating stance. Shove it up them Boris your doing a great job. 🇬🇧

[Youri McAnespie]

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 

Should have happened 3 years ago. May and Hammond have a lot to answer for.

Congratulations.

You're the first.

Getting excuses in early for if/when it goes tits up..?

"It's Theresa May/Phillip Hammond/Gina Miller/Ken Clarke/Keith Harris and Cuddles the Monkey's fault - we'd have been out three years and all driving solid gold Bentleys if it wasn't for them..."

Whinge, bleat and repeat then blame everyone else.

[Farrelli]

17 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s quite clear that what Johnson is doing is what the EU have done from day 1, the EU precondition is they won’t change the backstop, and the EU have tried their level best to frighten the U.K. into accepting the deal that suits the EU, funny that when our PM does the same it’s all wrong and that an ex civil servant jumps on Johnson’s negotiating stance. Shove it up them Boris your doing a great job. 🇬🇧

I expected nothing less from you but the backstop was requested by the UK government in order to prevent trouble on the Irish border during the transition.  The UK government will have to pick up the pieces in Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Johnson needs to start talking to the EU as the damage of a no deal brexit could be far reaching.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

I expected nothing less from you but the backstop was requested by the UK government in order to prevent trouble on the Irish border during the transition.  The UK government will have to pick up the pieces in Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Johnson needs to start talking to the EU as the damage of a no deal brexit could be far reaching.

Indeed. And the EU are happy to change/drop the Backstop if the UK can come up with a plausible "Alternative Arrangment", which they keep claiming to have, but won't go into any detail beyond repeating the word "technology".

[bwfcfan5]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Did your man vote remain by any chance?

Bloke's been in post just over a week, has focussed initially on this country, but in not capable.

Aye right.

Come back in a few months and let's see where he and the country are at.

He seems to have a reasonable grasp of the English language and knows what he's talking about. So I imagine so. 

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Did your man vote remain by any chance?

Bloke's been in post just over a week, has focussed initially on this country, but in not capable.

Aye right.

Come back in a few months and let's see where he and the country are at.

Theresa May was damned mainly for her actions quite soon after taking over and never recovered.  If we wait a few months to see the folly of BJ's strategy it will be too late to do anything.

[Mounts Kipper]

32 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I expected nothing less from you but the backstop was requested by the UK government in order to prevent trouble on the Irish border during the transition.  The UK government will have to pick up the pieces in Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Johnson needs to start talking to the EU as the damage of a no deal brexit could be far reaching.

Skilfully negotiated by Olly Robins, TM and the EU to cunningly keep us in, shame for them it didn’t work and they're now both sacked for incompetence. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Jol_BWFC]

A new level of foil-hat.

[Cheese]

45 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Skilfully negotiated by Olly Robins, TM and the EU to cunningly keep us in, shame for them it didn’t work and they're now both sacked for incompetence. 

It looks like your assurances that we'll end up with a deal are fading fast. Mark Francois has said he knows at least 60 Tory Brexiter MP's who will vote against any renegotiated Withdrawal Agreement, even if the backstop is removed entirely. The lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum. 

[Mounts Kipper]

9 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It looks like your assurances that we'll end up with a deal are fading fast. Mark Francois has said he knows at least 60 Tory Brexiter MP's who will vote against any renegotiated Withdrawal Agreement, even if the backstop is removed entirely. The lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum. 

Fantastic news. This will help us get a deal. 👍

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

Theresa May was damned mainly for her actions quite soon after taking over and never recovered.  If we wait a few months to see the folly of BJ's strategy it will be too late to do anything.

You've no other option.

He's the PM and is doing it his way. Time will tell whether or not it works, but folk knocking everythingbefore he's got going really are helping hugely.

Never stopped moaning since the vote (before it actually) and will still be moaning well into the future.

[Cheese]

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Fantastic news. This will help us get a deal. 👍

So you think he's bluffing? 

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, Cheese said:

It looks like your assurances that we'll end up with a deal are fading fast. Mark Francois has said he knows at least 60 Tory Brexiter MP's who will vote against any renegotiated Withdrawal Agreement, even if the backstop is removed entirely. The lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum. 

No, they haven’t 

Its a shite deal, and should be binned. Theresa was stupid to even think it might get through.

[Cheese]

Just now, boltondiver said:

No, they haven’t 

Its a shite deal, and should be binned. Theresa was stupid to even think it might get through.

Explain why it's a bad deal again.... 

[Spider]

It’s still going terrifically well I see.

Im aware I haven’t mentioned the situation from a real time exporting point of view.

so.

The Irish and Dutch are working extremely well together and no longer give a shit if we set fire to the entire country and return to a pastoral existence with a repeat of the Corn Laws.

the EU seem to still be in “bemused” mode and Boris clearly expects No Deal.

No one appears better off and the Government coffers look like taking a £5billion hit for stockpiling and a massive leaflet drop.

 

[Cheese]

The only positive I can take from the current situation is that Brexiters (not necessarily all Leave voters) have to own it now. They can't blame anyone else. Whatever happens is ENTIRELY down to them. Enjoy.