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[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

There’s the problem as you correctly point out. Boris could come back with a great deal it’s getting Rejected anyway  they will reject what ever he came back with 

this isn’t about the national interest it’s about stopping brexit at any cost which is actually harming the country. 

Disgusting that they are being paid handsomely to do this 

Nothing to do with what they are being paid; it is just disgusting and I hope they pay for it for a generation 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

14 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Which is why the opposition parties will wait until "No Deal" is off the table, and then make sure we don't have a GE until after 31st October......leaves him nowhere to go, he either asks the EU for an extension, or gets a deal agreed very quickly (which we know won't get through HoC, as they'll make sure it doesn't)

You would have thought there is no way the opposition let him have a GE before 31st October.

A few interesting weeks/months coming up, let's see what Boris is made of!!

That's my point, Boris has said he won't ask for the extension as part of the vote to take no deal away. "Rather be dead in a ditch" was his comment.

So what happens?

No deal agreed, no 'no deal', but no extension asked. Does parliament ask for him to be arrested for breaking the law?

Genuinely no idea what happens.

Really needs a general election. Birch's theory that we'll be back in the same situation I don't think will apply. There will be a working majority to either leave with the threat of no deal, or to postpone/delay and try to achieve an almost impossible compromise. Which would possibly yield a TM type deal, as the EU call for an end to eternal procrastination.

Won't be a situation whereby members of a government with a majority, are fucked over by rebels. They are gone.

[mickbrown]

5 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

There’s the problem as you correctly point out. Boris could come back with a great deal it’s getting Rejected anyway  they will reject what ever he came back with 

this isn’t about the national interest it’s about stopping brexit at any cost which is actually harming the country. 

Disgusting that they are being paid handsomely to do this 

Maybe the daft bollox shouldn’t have destroyed his meagre majority within a day of setting foot in the commons as PM.

He’s totally fucked this up. 

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, mickbrown said:

Maybe the daft bollox shouldn’t have destroyed his meagre majority within a day of setting foot in the commons as PM.

He’s totally fucked this up. 

That was the plan, push for election and try to increase the Tory majority. 

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Nothing to do with what they are being paid; it is just disgusting and I hope they pay for it for a generation 

Who actually is "they" though? - it seems there are very few in the HoC who can come out of this covered in glory

 

 

[Sweep]

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

as the EU call for an end to eternal procrastination.

 

Every month we stay, we send another c£1B across to the EU, they'll be reasonably happy for us to stay as we are for a while yet I would have thought.

[Sweep]

7 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Maybe the daft bollox shouldn’t have destroyed his meagre majority within a day of setting foot in the commons as PM.

He’s totally fucked this up. 

He'll end up asking some of them to come back, he's going to have to

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Maybe the daft bollox shouldn’t have destroyed his meagre majority within a day of setting foot in the commons as PM.

He’s totally fucked this up. 

Hardly; fucked up long before he arrived

 

the most amusing thing might be to come; he might vote confidence in his own government!

[bwfcfan5]

Gets worse for Boris. Not going well is it? And he's only had a week. 

 

[bwfcfan5]

Opposition have agreed not to support an election before the EU summit. 

 

[Sweep]

24 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Opposition have agreed not to support an election before the EU summit. 

 

We all knew that would happen, the summit is 17th and 18th October isn't it? - as soon as no deal is off the table, then he's done for I reckon........unless he can somehow get a brilliant deal out of the EU, that the HoC will pass. He's already said he would rather "die in a ditch" than ask for an extension, so it looks like he's going to be the shortest ever serving PM the UK has ever had..................unless of course he's fibbing for a change

[bwfcfan5]

9 minutes ago, Sweep said:

We all knew that would happen, the summit is 17th and 18th October isn't it? - as soon as no deal is off the table, then he's done for I reckon........unless he can somehow get a brilliant deal out of the EU, that the HoC will pass. He's already said he would rather "die in a ditch" than ask for an extension, so it looks like he's going to be the shortest ever serving PM the UK has ever had..................unless of course he's fibbing for a change

What happened to all the Tories on here saying "don't worry Boris' charisma will win the house over". 

Amazing how people just change their tune. 

Boris is a massive liar. He makes Corbyn look good. Its a complete mess. And Cummings is an unelected right wing extremist pulling the strings. The whole thing needs ripping down and starting again. 

First thing first, another referendum is a must now. 

[Escobarp]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

Maybe the daft bollox shouldn’t have destroyed his meagre majority within a day of setting foot in the commons as PM.

He’s totally fucked this up. 

Aye cos that Would have made a real difference to the vote 

Edited September 6, 2019 by Escobarp

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

What happened to all the Tories on here saying "don't worry Boris' charisma will win the house over". 

Amazing how people just change their tune. 

Boris is a massive liar. He makes Corbyn look good. Its a complete mess. And Cummings is an unelected right wing extremist pulling the strings. The whole thing needs ripping down and starting again. 

First thing first, another referendum is a must now. 

Because it didn’t go the way you wanted it to. Would you be calling for a referendum if it was the other way round? Would you fuck

[Sweep]

7 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

What happened to all the Tories on here saying "don't worry Boris' charisma will win the house over". 

Amazing how people just change their tune. 

Boris is a massive liar. He makes Corbyn look good. Its a complete mess. And Cummings is an unelected right wing extremist pulling the strings. The whole thing needs ripping down and starting again. 

First thing first, another referendum is a must now. 

I agree with most of that, apart from the last line.............although I can see it happening at some point next year. I'd fear for PH if it did happen, he'd not be happy, he's probably having an immense hissy fit as we speak anyway

 

 

[bwfcfan5]

8 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Because it didn’t go the way you wanted it to. Would you be calling for a referendum if it was the other way round? Would you fuck

Because what was said in 2016 and offered to the public has demonstrably and clearly been shown to be the biggest and most shameful lie in British political history. For that reason.

I don't really care what the options are - the point is the British public need to make a direct choice - because its the only way to put an end to this. 

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

What happened to all the Tories on here saying "don't worry Boris' charisma will win the house over". 

Amazing how people just change their tune. 

Boris is a massive liar. He makes Corbyn look good. Its a complete mess. And Cummings is an unelected right wing extremist pulling the strings. The whole thing needs ripping down and starting again. 

First thing first, another referendum is a must now. 

You probably don’t know how funny you are

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Because it didn’t go the way you wanted it to. Would you be calling for a referendum if it was the other way round? Would you fuck

Kerching

[Tonge moor green jacket]

So another referendum. Similar result?

Lib undemocratic party refuse to accept it if out still prevails..

A narrow vote to remain this time? Ok then another general election sees a far more anti EU rhetoric during any election. Huge kick off in the hoc again. Loads of protesting until another referendum granted a few years after.

Nothing changes except the increased level of security around MPs.

An absolute sham of a parliament. Trust lost, and a huge increase in the amount of fireworks sold in and around Westminster.

[peelyfeet]

Has anyone watched this - if not give it a go and see if it changes your mind about the vote.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

More chemtrails.

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

That was the plan, push for election and try to increase the Tory majority. 

Aye. Seems he’s been poorly advised. 

[peelyfeet]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

More chemtrails.

I think its a bit more substantial than Chemtrails. Cambridge Analytica was set up by Steve Bannon,  best mate of Donald Trump and Nigel Farrage. 

They became involved in the 2016 Brexit referendum supporting "persuadable" voters to vote for leaving the European Union.^[113] Articles by Carole Cadwalladr in The Observer and Guardian newspapers, respectively published in February and May 2017, speculated in detail that CA had influenced both the Brexit/Vote Leave option in the UK's 2016 EU membership referendum and Trump's 2016 US presidential campaign with Robert Mercer's backing of Donald Trump being key. They also discuss the legality of using the social data farmed

On 23 March 2018, it was reported that a former employee, Brittany Kaiser, who was the company's former director of business development, has revealed that the company misled the public and MPs over its links with Leave.EU and the analysis of data which had been provided by UKIP. She said she felt she had lied by supporting Cambridge Analytica's company line that it had done "no paid or unpaid work" for Leave.EU. "In my opinion, I was lying. In my opinion I felt like we should say, 'this is exactly what we did'".^[118] The following day, it was reported that the company claimed that it would be able to affect the outcome of the Referendum and that it had produced a 10-page document headed "Big Data Solutions for the EU Referendum", claiming it could single out 'Brexiteers' among voters, donors, politicians and journalists

[fatolive]

trying to stay away from this subject both here and in the pub, but jesus Christ, " refusing to accept the result" 

a lot of people against no deal voted to leave and voted for the original deal.

no one, absolute no on on here or elsewhere stated no deal was acceptable at first, in fact anyone who said there may a crash out no Deal was called a scare monger, operation fear etc etc. 

it isnt just remainers trying to block no deal, people are being blinded by the whole shit show.

how is someone who voted for leave and then voted for the deal undemocratic and refusing to accept the result?

people answer that by saying " the deal was shit for the Uk" well fine fair enough, but hows that opinion any different from people who want to leave but say " no deal is shit for the UK"

 

[peelyfeet]

7 minutes ago, fatolive said:

trying to stay away from this subject both here and in the pub, but jesus Christ, " refusing to accept the result" 

a lot of people against no deal voted to leave and voted for the original deal.

no one, absolute no on on here or elsewhere stated no deal was acceptable at first, in fact anyone who said there may a crash out no Deal was called a scare monger, operation fear etc etc. 

it isnt just remainers trying to block no deal, people are being blinded by the whole shit show.

how is someone who voted for leave and then voted for the deal undemocratic and refusing to accept the result?

people answer that by saying " the deal was shit for the Uk" well fine fair enough, but hows that opinion any different from people who want to leave but say " no deal is shit for the UK"

 

exactly, if they they had originally, asked "do you want to"

a/ leave regardless of the deal/no deal

b/ remain

the campaign and the result would be perceived to be fair.