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5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Exactly mate, they’d rather call Cameron a liar than face the facts.

The fact is that every leading member of Leave said we would definitely have a deal and to leave without one would be madness. 

That is not in dispute is it ? 

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4 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

If we are down to individual TV interviews to make a point about how No Deal was at the front of the Leave campaign and everyone was aware of it then it just shows how invisible it was to the vast majority of people. If you have shown me a poster campaign, the side of buses Ads and TV ads plastered all over the media then I would accept the point. Remember Johnson said we would still be in the Single Market after leaving the EU, the two messages are just not compatible. 

Remind me who the PM was at the time of the interview..........

The interview wasn’t  just a casual chat from the tap room in The Crescent in your city.

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3 minutes ago, Ani said:

The fact is that every leading member of Leave said we would definitely have a deal and to leave without one would be madness. 

That is not in dispute is it ? 

Diversion from you....scroll back to earlier today and those who said what Cameron said was never mentioned.

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Just now, miamiwhite said:

Diversion from you....scroll back to earlier today and those who said what Cameron said was never mentioned.

Nope I have not read the whole thread. 

Diversion = fact. 

What I do not understand is why Leavers are letting No Deal delay leaving. Everyone has said no deal is a bad idea so why flog that horse ? 

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2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 

We’ve got all the benefits even with TM WA, so how was the leave campaign a lie?

Most of the the promises made by the brexiteers are already agreed in that agreement, shortages of medicines are lies, shortage of food are lies, we won’t starve and folk won’t die for shortage of medicines, the government have stepped up preparations to leave and that should have been started under Theresa Mays premiership. 

That first paragraph is staggering. It shows a total misunderstanding of the WA and what we actually “have”. I can’t take what you post on this topic seriously when you say something like that

What do you think the WA does? What legally binding agreement do you think we currently actually have in place for our relationship with the EU once the translation period ends (under TM’s deal)?

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1 hour ago, Salford Trotter said:

I could've sworn you said numerous times that the EU would bow under pressure and give us a fantastic deal we'd leave in March then October. I may have been mistaken but didn't you say that Johnson was the right man for the job and that there is no way we are staying in after 31st October, in fact, I remember you organising a piss up with others on here on 1st November😂 to celebrate us leaving. 

I have no doubt we are leaving the EU at some point, whether that is with a deal or not we don't know yet but when that day comes you will not be remembered as the Brexit Oracle😂😂. Let's face it anybody can be right guessing the time twice in a day. 

And also that we would not be under the jurisdiction of EU courts. And that we wouldn’t have to abide by EU laws. Those have disappeared from the prediction.

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10 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Remind me who the PM was at the time of the interview..........

The interview wasn’t  just a casual chat from the tap room in The Crescent in your city.

Show me the No Deal bus and poster campaign Johnson et al constantly referred to? Oh and Raab... I rest my case m'lud

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-49165836

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On 17/08/2019 at 14:33, Moon boy said:

The good ship ‘Brexit’ is on the last leg of her journey and is set fair to arrive safely on October 31st

After going round and round in ‘the Doldrums’ for three years under the previous clueless skipper the ship now has a new Captain Boris and a willing crew, after crossing choppy waters and coming under attack from Pirates/Ship wreckers/Anarchists she now has a full wind in her sails and enough weapons at her disposal to repel any interference from ne’er do wells

The combined enemy fleet, the Corbynistas, the flip/flop Lib Dem’s, and other assorted traitors don’t have the fire power or the wherewithal to stop a triumphal homecoming, there will scenes of jubilation throughout the land when the journey is completed, it may well become a public holiday, god bless her and all who sail in her.

For Queen and Country, hip pip

Well this is all going as predicted 😀

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1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said:

Show me the No Deal bus and poster campaign Johnson et al constantly referred to? Oh and Raab... I rest my case m'lud

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-49165836

It must be jet lag from you, as you clearly can’t or won’t answer my question as to who the PM was at the time of that interview.

Pathetic mate, you’re better than that.

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3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

It must be jet lag from you, as you clearly can’t or won’t answer my question as to who the PM was at the time of that interview.

 

Do you not know? It was David Cameron mate. A simple google search would have told you that

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1 hour ago, Casino said:

are we still leaving on the 31st,  sonny?

Yes.

Parliament should have no mandate whatsoever to stop us from leaving next month. The referendum was for the public to decide - and we have done.

It's not our fault a Remain Parliament is keeping us in against our wishes. They've thwarted us as every turn and it will go on forever.

Let's be honest, they don't want to stop No Deal, they just want to stop Brexit.

Johnson will advise the Queen of this and she'll refuse Royal consent of that treacherous, made up Bill.

Either that or Johnson just refuses to ask for an extension. Either way, we're out next month. 🎉

 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

That first paragraph is staggering. It shows a total misunderstanding of the WA and what we actually “have”. I can’t take what you post on this topic seriously when you say something like that

What do you think the WA does? What legally binding agreement do you think we currently actually have in place for our relationship with the EU once the translation period ends (under TM’s deal)?

Jesus here we go again!  The WA isn’t legally binding with regards our future relationship but it does set out what both parties want to achieve and have agreed to work towards. 

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20 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Again sir, scroll back.

I've seen the video, you and others mentioned it lots of time as project fear but not any longer, so you no longer class that as Project Fear? .. Care to comment on Raab hardly ever referring to No Deal in the referendum debates, as did Gove and Johnson telling us categorically we'd be in the Single Market. What about Dr Fox telling us the EU negotiation would be a piece of piss. What about Cummings being interviewed and enlightening us all by saying the "lies won the referendum" that i quoted way back in the thread. I could go on with more examples, now I know you are desperate to answer these points too🤔😅

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23 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

There in black and white and complete with a trademark Mounts' m0ngy mispelling too...

😁

I can't believe people are still arsed about this, I'm still on Cloud 9 from Tuesday night...

Couldn't give a shit about this now...

No idea what you’ve done there but that post ain’t mine. 

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24 minutes ago, darwen_white said:

Yes.

Parliament should have no mandate whatsoever to stop us from leaving next month. The referendum was for the public to decide - and we have done.

It's not our fault a Remain Parliament is keeping us in against our wishes. They've thwarted us as every turn and it will go on forever.

Let's be honest, they don't want to stop No Deal, they just want to stop Brexit.

Johnson will advise the Queen of this and she'll refuse Royal consent of that treacherous, made up Bill.

Either that or Johnson just refuses to ask for an extension. Either way, we're out next month. 🎉

 

 

 

The bill doesn't need royal assent. 

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4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Jesus here we go again!  I know that the WA isn’t legally binding with regards our future relationship but it does set out what both parties want to achieve and have agreed to work towards. 

Does it? Is that what the WA sets out? Maybe you should read these.

https://www.britishchambers.org.uk/page/brexit/brexit-faqs

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-46318565

If you accept that the deal (the PD, NOT the WA that you keep referring to) isn't legally binding and sets out aspirations only, then you have to accept that under TM’s deal we don’t have any concrete benefits. Which is why the backstop is fundamental to the EU.

 

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