Politics

[miamiwhite]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1178491/Sadiq-khan-news-london-crime-leroy-logan-lib-dems

Well said Leroy Logan.

His very own former police adviser and person of colour, very well said indeed sir.

 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 hours ago, fatolive said:

What outcome are you hoping for out of interest ? 

Didn’t think I’d ever read on this thread you’d be supporting the EU, but it’s a strange thread to be fair...

I think the EU are correct on this matter. Let’s see how it ends up. 

[fatolive]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I think the EU are correct on this matter. Let’s see how it ends up. 

Strange from someone who thinks the EU shouldn’t have any say in a countries decisions, but fwiw I think they are correct also and that this appeal shouldn’t even be happening. 

would still like to know how you think it’ll end up, this is the appeal from the original decision where the order was that Ireland has to collect the 14 billion in tax from Apple, your original statement seems to imply  Ireland will suffer somehow , the EU will end the party and a basket case economy will return ? How does that tally with Apple paying what they should have done in the first place ? 

Curious as to what leads you to think this will end a some party based on Apple paying 14 billion ? 

 

[bolty58]

Liz Truss down here today for a meeting with her Australian counterpart Simon Birmingham.

Just been listening to Birmingham on the radio. "Full steam ahead for an excellent trade deal with the UK now the restrictive shackles of the EU are being thrown off. Highly valuable and mutually beneficial deal that we will have closed off and in place within a few months. The public probably don't realise that the negotiations to this end started in 2016".

Works for me.

Edited September 18, 2019 by bolty58

[bolty58]

15 hours ago, TM Trotter said:

Politically, I accept we can't stop Brexit. It's going to happen. I think that's me adhering to the typical immature gloating Leaver request of 'Suck it up, buttercup'. 

However, the government blindly walking off a cliff just because the people voted for 'it' (even if most couldn't tell you what the implications of 'it' are) would be, while 'democratic', also highly fucking irresponsible. 

I'd wager that a Brexit with a good deal for the country would be tolerable for most remoaners/losers/sheep/whatever childish name Aaron Banks has told Leavers to use this week. The trouble is, other than isolationist rhetoric around keeping En-ger-land for the Engerlish, there are no proven benefits for the country. We're leaping off into the complete unknown because 'the will of the people' suggested it in an event that was as legally binding as flipping 30 million coins. The government is duty bound to protect the interests of the people it serves, and is doing so by challenging (not necessarily halting) the Brexit issue. That is, until Johnson forced the undemocratic closure of Parliament... Gotta love that democratic sovereignty we're retaining! 

The only gloaters on here have been Remainers mate (and we have a champion dubbed Gloatius Maximus). "Played a blinder Theresa" etc. so don't talk nonsense.

All this 'cliff edge' melodramatic shite is just that - shite. Similarly your comment on 30 million coins. WTF?

You can pap on about your version of democracy all you want. Proroguing Parliament has happened many, many times before and will happen again. There is nothing illegal about it and his right to present a Queens Speech as a new PM is unarguable. 

The indisputable fact is that there is one party with 'Democrats' in its name who is prepared to destroy democracy in the name of political expediency believing that disgruntled Remainers will flock to them. I sincerely hope they crash and burn at the next election. The reality is we will likely end up with a jaffa of a hung Parliament unless the Brexit Party and Conservatives can forge some sort of a deal. Here's hoping.

 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

9 hours ago, fatolive said:

Strange from someone who thinks the EU shouldn’t have any say in a countries decisions, but fwiw I think they are correct also and that this appeal shouldn’t even be happening. 

would still like to know how you think it’ll end up, this is the appeal from the original decision where the order was that Ireland has to collect the 14 billion in tax from Apple, your original statement seems to imply  Ireland will suffer somehow , the EU will end the party and a basket case economy will return ? How does that tally with Apple paying what they should have done in the first place ? 

Curious as to what leads you to think this will end a some party based on Apple paying 14 billion ? 

 

If the Irish want to run their own tax affairs then perhaps they should reconsider their membership of the EU, it’s clear if you are a member then you play by EU rules, therefore the EU are correct in asking Ireland to collect the tax. Obviously the Irish government have somehow benefited by allowing large companies to relocate in Ireland on preferential tax laws, will they stay if the incentives given are no longer available? I very much doubt it. How much will the Irish economy lose if they leave?  We will see in a year or 2 if the likes of Apple and the other majors leave then it’ll surely be a hit to the Irish economy. 

[Spider]

I've mentioned this before, but previous Brexit dates have been preceded with very few - if any - preparation updates from central government.

In the last 2 weeks, we've had a flurry of "In the event of No Deal" communications with actual instructions on them, not just wishy washy might-be's. They are specific to our industry and some real effort is being made with them.

I don't care what anyone is saying to the cameras, we're leaving with No Deal. I'd even chuck money on it.

 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Spider

[Mounts Kipper]

48 minutes ago, Spider said:

I've mentioned this before, but previous Brexit dates have been preceded with very few - if any - preparation updates from central government.

In the last 2 weeks, we've had a flurry of "In the event of No Deal" communications with actual instructions on them, not just wishy washy might-be's. They are specific to our industry and some real effort is being made with them.

I don't care what anyone is saying to the cameras, we're leaving with No Deal. I'd even chuck money on it.

 

I do hope you are right and at which point negotiations with the EU will become very sensible and miraculously much more flexible.       

[Latham8WFC]

53 minutes ago, Spider said:

I've mentioned this before, but previous Brexit dates have been preceded with very few - if any - preparation updates from central government.

In the last 2 weeks, we've had a flurry of "In the event of No Deal" communications with actual instructions on them, not just wishy washy might-be's. They are specific to our industry and some real effort is being made with them.

I don't care what anyone is saying to the cameras, we're leaving with No Deal. I'd even chuck money on it.

 

Skybet current odds:

 

No Deal Brexit in 2019 

Yes 7/2

No 1/5

 

UK to leave The EU on/before 31.10.2019

Yes 7/4

No 2/5

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

I've mentioned this before, but previous Brexit dates have been preceded with very few - if any - preparation updates from central government.

In the last 2 weeks, we've had a flurry of "In the event of No Deal" communications with actual instructions on them, not just wishy washy might-be's. They are specific to our industry and some real effort is being made with them.

I don't care what anyone is saying to the cameras, we're leaving with No Deal. I'd even chuck money on it.

 

Adverts on the tele etc. Certainly a bit different.

Not convinced that it will be no deal just yet: the odd little snippet suggests quiet discussions are going on, behind the usual facade of EU comments that the UK is offering nothing.

We've seen it all the brinkmanship before, now it's time to deliver.

[Farrelli]

51 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Adverts on the tele etc. Certainly a bit different.

Not convinced that it will be no deal just yet: the odd little snippet suggests quiet discussions are going on, behind the usual facade of EU comments that the UK is offering nothing.

We've seen it all the brinkmanship before, now it's time to deliver.

BJ is pretending to try and re-negotiate a deal but where is the evidence ? 

The EU has not seen any new proposal, his own party members have said there is no serious attempt being made.

He has prorogued parliament to avoid scrutiny, he has dismissed Tory MP's who disagree with him and he has missed press conferences.  It's a con. 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

12 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

BJ is pretending to try and re-negotiate a deal but where is the evidence ? 

The EU has not seen any new proposal, his own party members have said there is no serious attempt being made.

He has prorogued parliament to avoid scrutiny, he has dismissed Tory MP's who disagree with him and he has missed press conferences.  It's a con. 

 

I think BJ knows that the negotiations will only start in a sensible fashion when the threat of the UK leaving without a deal is taken seriously, that is what many folk have been saying since day 1, the snowflakes have greatly helped the EU and continue to hamper our negotiating stance, a special place in hell awaits them.

 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Mounts Kipper

[Salford Trotter]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I think BJ knows that the negotiations will only start in a sensible fashion when the threat of the UK leaving without a deal is taken seriously, that is what many folk have been saying since day 1, the snowflakes have greatly helped the EU and continue to hamper our negotiating stance, a special place in hell awaits them.

 

You don't half talk bollocks mate. 

[Farrelli]

6 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

You don't half talk bollocks mate. 

I think he's borrowed that line from Donald Tusk.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said:

You don't half talk bollocks mate. 

In your opinion. Which differs from that of the government. Some of which lord Eadie is currently touching upon.

As for what is actually going on, nobody outside of a small number really knows.

Years ago it was said that deals would be done way past the eleventh hour. This already happened once with TM, lots of fluff uttered by the EU about how the UK approach wasn't clear.

Par for the course, destabilise wherever you can. 

In the end the only way a judgement can be made of the government's efforts, is to provide the best opportunity for it, and then comment/vote on whatever comes back.

 

[Salford Trotter]

First Australia, who is next? India? Turkey? 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Salford Trotter

[Casino]

getting control of our borders

but then theyre white so nobody will care

 

tbf, it only suggests up for discussion, but i think we can read between the lines

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Salford Trotter said:

First Australia, who is next? India? Turkey? 

Aussies will soon change their minds when millions of Brits arrive en masse.

[Salford Trotter]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Aussies will soon change their minds when millions of Brits arrive en masse.

India has already indicated it will seek a relaxation of immigration rules as part of any free trade deal and a cross party group of MPs are supporting that. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/24/ease-migration-rules-for-indians-to-win-post-brexit-deals-say-mps

My point is that freedom of movement  will become a starting point for all free trade deals that the UK negotiates including the EU! 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Salford Trotter

[Spider]

Seen something on twitter that maybe Mounts can answer as he still plans to fuck the UK off for a retirement in the sunshine:

 

I'm just watching a programme called ' a place in the Sun ' where middle aged retired white couples immigrate and change the culture of European beach communities. My question is why are these people called ' ex pats ' and not immigrants?

[Escobarp]

Because the programme is British so they are referring to people from the same country /union. 

Spaniards would still refer to them as immigrants. Bolty is an ex pat to us. To aussies an immigrant. 

[Mounts Kipper]

37 minutes ago, Salford Trotter said:

India has already indicated it will seek a relaxation of immigration rules as part of any free trade deal and a cross party group of MPs are supporting that. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/24/ease-migration-rules-for-indians-to-win-post-brexit-deals-say-mps

My point is that freedom of movement  will become a starting point for all free trade deals that the UK negotiates including the EU! 

That is O.K. a least its our decision of who and how many we let in and not the EUs decision.  

[Sweep]

3 hours ago, Salford Trotter said:

First Australia, who is next? India? Turkey? 

Terrific. At least the Indians and Turks have some sort of work ethic, the last thing we want is more of them dull lazy bastards rocking up here, and then just perpetually complaining about how shit it is and how great "Oz" is

Edited September 18, 2019 by Sweep

[Sweep]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

getting control of our borders

but then theyre white

 

 

Proper Australians aren't white 🤔

[Sweep]

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

That is O.K. a least its our decision of who and how many we let in and not the EUs decision.  

It never was the EUs decision as well you know, we just chose not to stop people coming and living here. Other countries put limits on it, we couldn't be arsed