Politics

[Winchester White]

Jesus PH, that piece from the Telegraph is fucking drivel. If it was written in a similar manner but from a remain perspective about leavers you would be rightly dismissive of it.

Brexit has broken all norms for the media, especially the written press.

[kent_white]

30 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

 

As ever Sherelle Jacobs of the Telegraph nails the remain psyche and eviscerates it. Are we peasant leave voters supposed to read broadsheet newspapers? 

Remainers' snobbery is their new religion by Sherelle Jacobs (The Telegraph)

If Brexit blew up the old world order, a new species of snob has been forged in its fuming embers. For evidence look no further than the growing tribe of Lib Dem-defecting arch-remainers. A few years ago, many were self-proclaimed Blairite centrists, judiciously uninspired by politics and possessing no view whatsoever on the EU. But in the space of three years, their anti-Brexit beliefs have become radically spiritual. From their ecstacy in the exaltation that "people didn't know what they voted for" to their delight in inhaling the smoky incense of an imminent no-deal "Armageddon", hating Brexit - and Brexiteers - has become a religion. 

Lib Dem leader Swinson is determined to stamp her authority as the spiritual guru of this burgeoning new sect. Her party's communications department has sought to not so much capture as carpet bomb headlines in recent days, with Ms Swinson declaring at their party conference that Brexiteers are "insular, closed and selfish". Given her disdain for Leave voters, it is any wonder she felt comfortable pledging to bypass the burdensome conventions of democracy by revoking Article 50.

Some Lib Dems are unsettled that this garish new brand of primary colours politics is thriving in a movement traditionally dedicated to capturing "none of the above" votes. Grandees like Sir Norman Lamb have described the direction as "dangerous". Even the anti-Brexit mainstream media dry-retched a little at the idea of scrapping the bogus but necessary ritual of a second referendum, and ran editorials on whether Ms Swinson may be the Nigel Farage of remain. 

But Ms Swinson is tellingly confident. A new wave of liberal populism is ripping through Remainia and she has decided her party should ride it. 

The wider public may bristle. Ms Swinson comes across as the radiantly sneering face of stuck-up liberal Britain. Her authoritarian rhetoric that rises and falls with plastic, patronising innocence is as perturbing as it is grating. But it is perfectly pitched to appeal to self-regarding metropolitans. Even her motto "Bollocks to Brexit" is a stroke of genius. Cackling defiance has become a snotty liberal affectation, similar to the way the word "like" punctuates every other word in their sentences. 

But there is something even more chilling underlying all this. The Lib Dems are expertly tapping into a virulent psychological need among some remainers to feel superior. Fuellled by social insecurity, despising Brexiteers has become a mark of status. Those who lambast leavers for suggesting that Britain is overcrowded do so out of frantic belief that the middle classes are themselves overcrowded. They are discombobulated by the fact that those who make £30,000  a year selling double glazing technically belong to the same sect as those who make £30,000 selling poetry books; and that Oxford graduates are theoretically condemned to the same social strata as those brandishing a degree from Oxford Brookes. Just maybe some militant Remainiacs have deduced that the best way to stand out in a crowded field is to distinguish themselves tribally from the provincial masses who want to leave the EU.

There are parallels with the cramped insecurity that fuelled the middle-class's fascinated disdain for "chavs" in the 90s; a struggling cosmopolitan bourgeoisie was vindictively keen to elevate itself above the flash Burberry-clad new money financially overtaking them.

But Brexit has shone a light on a new dimension to metropolitan snobbery. "Respectability" used to be the most important marker of superiority. Now it is "rationality". Perhaps this is down to the increased specialisation of middle-class professionals. Their sense of status derives from deep technical knowledge and command of esoteric managerial language. Thus Brexit is too complicated for the plebs to understand and leaving the EU is a study in simple-minded bigotry. It also explains the sickly admiration for slick professionals adept at preaching from the pulpit of constitutional pedantry - including Gina Miller.

Perhaps the most ironic strand to the remainer snobbery is the idea that the provincial "underclass" has been "deceived" with the promise of an unobtainable Brexit dream. This is little more than a projection of the bourgeois centrists' fears about their own gullability. They were utterly duped by the breathy promise of Blairism and watched in horror as it disintegrated in to a slime of warmongering, lies and spin. (It is only fitting that arch-remainer celebrity Alistair Campbell should seek to wash away his political sins in the weeping bog of cynical  paranoia that he created).

There is then, a segment of the urban middle-class that, bereft of any positive vision of the future, defines itself politically by its superiority to others. Until these people find new reason to hope, the star-stitched Brussels beret will confer the same symbolic significance as the Daily Mirror's flat cap a generation ago. The mines have long shut, but class hatred is an ever-burning charcoal to the British pysche.

Behold - the new champion of the working classes

I liked her better when she was off her tits on that BBC Breakfast interview a few months back.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Never heard of her before- what was she doing to be off her tits on the tele?

[Spider]

42 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Never heard of her before- what was she doing to be off her tits on the tele?

https://images.app.goo.gl/YW7hCdE26U5eChuS6

When your ecstasy kicks in 4 hours too late...

[kent_white]

Have you noticed this tendency for click bait type articles to claim somebody 'destroys' somebody else nowadays. I fucking hate it.

"Watch Piers Morgan DESTROY leftist snowflake" etc.

[kent_white]

13 minutes ago, Spider said:

https://images.app.goo.gl/YW7hCdE26U5eChuS6

When your ecstasy kicks in 4 hours too late...

That's the one. Proper good gurn on her!

[Guest]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Behold - the new champion of the working classes

I liked her better when she was off her tits on that BBC Breakfast interview a few months back.

Very simply; I'd be very surprised if Jo Swinson isn't certifiably a lunatic. Nothing against lunatics, mind, but shoudn't be in a position of influence.

[tyldesley_white]

16 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Very simply; I'd be very surprised if Jo Swinson isn't certifiably a lunatic. Nothing against lunatics, mind, but shoudn't be in a position of influence.

it worked for Bo-Jo

[TM Trotter]

3 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Oh dear, your mask is slipping Lone Ranger.

Did you see the link re the remainers being fined the other day for breaking the laws  ?

Silent on that little beauty aren’t you, just like the others who lost their tongue to Felix ?

Pathetic, the lot of you.

Collusion between two bodies arguing the same cause in the same referendum, while wrong, is dramatically different to allowing influence from another country in British politics. 

But then, noting the drivel you read in the Express and Telegraph, why am I not surprised that you can't see the difference?

[miamiwhite]

9 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

Collusion between two bodies arguing the same cause in the same referendum, while wrong, is dramatically different to allowing influence from another country in British politics. 

But then, noting the drivel you read in the Express and Telegraph, why am I not surprised that you can't see the difference?

Pick bones on this then you whopper.

 

Gina Miller....the expert.....running a huge loss making investment company, she also lied about her so called 3 “law degrees”

I’ll leave that with you tonight fannyfingers whilst you throw your toys out of your pram pram again and read those neutral rags The Guardian and The ‘Independent’

Piss off you prick.

[miamiwhite]

17 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

Collusion between two bodies arguing the same cause in the same referendum, while wrong, is dramatically different to allowing influence from another country in British politics. 

But then, noting the drivel you read in the Express and Telegraph, why am I not surprised that you can't see the difference?

Whilst wrong ?

Let me amend it gracefully for you.

They broke the law you thick bastard, simple as that.

Please, don’t highlight words like your alter ego does, you give the game away too easily you cretin.

Rags like the Express etc....why are they rags ? Is it because they merely reported the truth on remainers breaking the law ?

You are utterly pathetic and not worthy of any more responses,  now, fuck off. 

[TM Trotter]

You really are tapped pal 😂

I have no idea who you think I am. Have a lie down.

[miamiwhite]

4 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

You really are tapped pal 😂

I have no idea who you think I am. Have a lie down.

Priceless.

You really do give yourself away far too easily.

Blocked now Dumbo.

[TM Trotter]

5 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Priceless.

You really do give yourself away far too easily.

Blocked now Dumbo.

I understand you're a respected member on here, but stop.

You're sounding like one of the conspiracy theorist loons on the BN comments section. 

[deane koontz]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Have you noticed this tendency for click bait type articles to claim somebody 'destroys' somebody else nowadays. I fucking hate it.

"Watch Piers Morgan DESTROY leftist snowflake" etc.

 

Aye, everything seems to be clickbait shite these days. Those debate type videos on youtube are murder for that 'destroy' malarkey 😂

[Ani]

3 hours ago, paulhanley said:

 

As ever Sherelle Jacobs of the Telegraph nails the remain psyche and eviscerates it. Are we peasant leave voters supposed to read broadsheet newspapers? 

Remainers' snobbery is their new religion by Sherelle Jacobs (The Telegraph)

If Brexit blew up the old world order, a new species of snob has been forged in its fuming embers. For evidence look no further than the growing tribe of Lib Dem-defecting arch-remainers. A few years ago, many were self-proclaimed Blairite centrists, judiciously uninspired by politics and possessing no view whatsoever on the EU. But in the space of three years, their anti-Brexit beliefs have become radically spiritual. From their ecstacy in the exaltation that "people didn't know what they voted for" to their delight in inhaling the smoky incense of an imminent no-deal "Armageddon", hating Brexit - and Brexiteers - has become a religion. 

Lib Dem leader Swinson is determined to stamp her authority as the spiritual guru of this burgeoning new sect. Her party's communications department has sought to not so much capture as carpet bomb headlines in recent days, with Ms Swinson declaring at their party conference that Brexiteers are "insular, closed and selfish". Given her disdain for Leave voters, it is any wonder she felt comfortable pledging to bypass the burdensome conventions of democracy by revoking Article 50.

Some Lib Dems are unsettled that this garish new brand of primary colours politics is thriving in a movement traditionally dedicated to capturing "none of the above" votes. Grandees like Sir Norman Lamb have described the direction as "dangerous". Even the anti-Brexit mainstream media dry-retched a little at the idea of scrapping the bogus but necessary ritual of a second referendum, and ran editorials on whether Ms Swinson may be the Nigel Farage of remain. 

But Ms Swinson is tellingly confident. A new wave of liberal populism is ripping through Remainia and she has decided her party should ride it. 

The wider public may bristle. Ms Swinson comes across as the radiantly sneering face of stuck-up liberal Britain. Her authoritarian rhetoric that rises and falls with plastic, patronising innocence is as perturbing as it is grating. But it is perfectly pitched to appeal to self-regarding metropolitans. Even her motto "Bollocks to Brexit" is a stroke of genius. Cackling defiance has become a snotty liberal affectation, similar to the way the word "like" punctuates every other word in their sentences. 

But there is something even more chilling underlying all this. The Lib Dems are expertly tapping into a virulent psychological need among some remainers to feel superior. Fuellled by social insecurity, despising Brexiteers has become a mark of status. Those who lambast leavers for suggesting that Britain is overcrowded do so out of frantic belief that the middle classes are themselves overcrowded. They are discombobulated by the fact that those who make £30,000  a year selling double glazing technically belong to the same sect as those who make £30,000 selling poetry books; and that Oxford graduates are theoretically condemned to the same social strata as those brandishing a degree from Oxford Brookes. Just maybe some militant Remainiacs have deduced that the best way to stand out in a crowded field is to distinguish themselves tribally from the provincial masses who want to leave the EU.

There are parallels with the cramped insecurity that fuelled the middle-class's fascinated disdain for "chavs" in the 90s; a struggling cosmopolitan bourgeoisie was vindictively keen to elevate itself above the flash Burberry-clad new money financially overtaking them.

But Brexit has shone a light on a new dimension to metropolitan snobbery. "Respectability" used to be the most important marker of superiority. Now it is "rationality". Perhaps this is down to the increased specialisation of middle-class professionals. Their sense of status derives from deep technical knowledge and command of esoteric managerial language. Thus Brexit is too complicated for the plebs to understand and leaving the EU is a study in simple-minded bigotry. It also explains the sickly admiration for slick professionals adept at preaching from the pulpit of constitutional pedantry - including Gina Miller.

Perhaps the most ironic strand to the remainer snobbery is the idea that the provincial "underclass" has been "deceived" with the promise of an unobtainable Brexit dream. This is little more than a projection of the bourgeois centrists' fears about their own gullability. They were utterly duped by the breathy promise of Blairism and watched in horror as it disintegrated in to a slime of warmongering, lies and spin. (It is only fitting that arch-remainer celebrity Alistair Campbell should seek to wash away his political sins in the weeping bog of cynical  paranoia that he created).

There is then, a segment of the urban middle-class that, bereft of any positive vision of the future, defines itself politically by its superiority to others. Until these people find new reason to hope, the star-stitched Brussels beret will confer the same symbolic significance as the Daily Mirror's flat cap a generation ago. The mines have long shut, but class hatred is an ever-burning charcoal to the British pysche.

The Telegraph. Who owns that paper ? 

Talks about class hatred in an article that attempts to belittle a whole class of society that the temerity to have a different view that the papers owners  

Lets see if any deal proposed includes or not the UK signing up to the tax avoidance legislation  

 

[Wanderlust]

I see Dominic Cummings has finally been pulled up after Facebook removed another Tory party Facebook Brexit ad targeted at the over 45s (presumably still using the same Cambridge Analytica psychological profiling data that he used to fix the Brexit referendum) as it was yet another outrageous lie - in this case about Tory funding for schools. He's targeting young people with messaging about mental health and policing. Claiming that the Tories are about to invest double the actual figure the Tories have said they would invest is right up there with - and this is an exact quote - "Turkey (population 76 million) is joining the EU. Vote Leave. Take back control." - which was sent under Cummings instructions to the Facebook pages of 20 million users, 3 million of whom who had never voted before 2016.

Currently the Tories are running nearly 700 targeted ads on Facebook each one tailor made to the psychological profile of the over 40 million targeted British users who are stupid enough to tell Big Brother pretty much everything about themselves right down to what they had for breakfast every day without even considering that every aspect of their lives is collated for profiling - and ultimately political manipulation. Incredibly, Cummings STILL hasn't been prosecuted, despite the findings of the Government Select Committee's conclusion that the Brexit referendum "wasn't fit for purpose" as regards being able to protect people from social media manipulation and he is still allowed to publish bare-faced lies to win votes from gullible people. Just wondering if Labour had sent a mocked up image of Boris with a young lad with the caption "Boris's dark paedo secret" they'd get away with nothing more than the ad being taken down after everyone had seen it?

I find it incredible that in a time when people are (rightly) complaining that social media needs to be regulated, folk like Cummings and his team can still get away with telling complete untruths specifically designed to manipulate the vote and getting away with it. I mean we all now know about how Bannan and CA engineered Trump's election and Brexit, but why isn't anything being done about it?

That said, Murdoch has been getting away with it for the last 30 years. To quote the man himself "When I go to Downing Street they do what I say. When I go to Brussels they take no notice" 

 

 

Edited September 20, 2019 by Hoppy510

[bolty58]

17 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sometimes see that show where folk are considering going to Australia.

Always paints a picture of wonderful outdoor lifestyle- then you mention 40 degree temperatures and I think "fuck that".

As for fruit- I will pick a couple of discovery apples off my tree later- delicious.

The frogs can keep their golden delicious shite.

Mate, it is so fucking vast you can certainly avoid the scorching temps and have a very good life down here. Tasmania an obvious example. South coast of WA is also very temperate - Albany, Denmark, Esperance.

Anyay, you stay in TM matey - we can't all fuck off.

[bolty58]

6 hours ago, kent_white said:

Have you noticed this tendency for click bait type articles to claim somebody 'destroys' somebody else nowadays. I fucking hate it.

"Watch Piers Morgan DESTROY leftist snowflake" etc.

LW started it.

[bolty58]

58 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

I see Dominic Cummings has finally been pulled up after Facebook removed another Tory party Facebook Brexit ad targeted at the over 45s (presumably still using the same Cambridge Analytica psychological profiling data that he used to fix the Brexit referendum) as it was yet another outrageous lie - in this case about Tory funding for schools. He's targeting young people with messaging about mental health and policing. Claiming that the Tories are about to invest double the actual figure the Tories have said they would invest is right up there with - and this is an exact quote - "Turkey (population 76 million) is joining the EU. Vote Leave. Take back control." - which was sent under Cummings instructions to the Facebook pages of 20 million users, 3 million of whom who had never voted before 2016.

Currently the Tories are running nearly 700 targeted ads on Facebook each one tailor made to the psychological profile of the over 40 million targeted British users who are stupid enough to tell Big Brother pretty much everything about themselves right down to what they had for breakfast every day without even considering that every aspect of their lives is collated for profiling - and ultimately political manipulation. Incredibly, Cummings STILL hasn't been prosecuted, despite the findings of the Government Select Committee's conclusion that the Brexit referendum "wasn't fit for purpose" as regards being able to protect people from social media manipulation and he is still allowed to publish bare-faced lies to win votes from gullible people. Just wondering if Labour had sent a mocked up image of Boris with a young lad with the caption "Boris's dark paedo secret" they'd get away with nothing more than the ad being taken down after everyone had seen it?

I find it incredible that in a time when people are (rightly) complaining that social media needs to be regulated, folk like Cummings and his team can still get away with telling complete untruths specifically designed to manipulate the vote and getting away with it. I mean we all now know about how Bannan and CA engineered Trump's election and Brexit, but why isn't anything being done about it?

That said, Murdoch has been getting away with it for the last 30 years. To quote the man himself "When I go to Downing Street they do what I say. When I go to Brussels they take no notice" 

 

 

 

I smell left wing apparatchik.

Having said that, we agree on the highlighted bit. Struggle to believe that some people are so gullible and stupid.

 

[bolty58]

8 hours ago, paulhanley said:

 

As ever Sherelle Jacobs of the Telegraph nails the remain psyche and eviscerates it. Are we peasant leave voters supposed to read broadsheet newspapers? 

Remainers' snobbery is their new religion by Sherelle Jacobs (The Telegraph)

If Brexit blew up the old world order, a new species of snob has been forged in its fuming embers. For evidence look no further than the growing tribe of Lib Dem-defecting arch-remainers. A few years ago, many were self-proclaimed Blairite centrists, judiciously uninspired by politics and possessing no view whatsoever on the EU. But in the space of three years, their anti-Brexit beliefs have become radically spiritual. From their ecstacy in the exaltation that "people didn't know what they voted for" to their delight in inhaling the smoky incense of an imminent no-deal "Armageddon", hating Brexit - and Brexiteers - has become a religion. 

Lib Dem leader Swinson is determined to stamp her authority as the spiritual guru of this burgeoning new sect. Her party's communications department has sought to not so much capture as carpet bomb headlines in recent days, with Ms Swinson declaring at their party conference that Brexiteers are "insular, closed and selfish". Given her disdain for Leave voters, it is any wonder she felt comfortable pledging to bypass the burdensome conventions of democracy by revoking Article 50.

Some Lib Dems are unsettled that this garish new brand of primary colours politics is thriving in a movement traditionally dedicated to capturing "none of the above" votes. Grandees like Sir Norman Lamb have described the direction as "dangerous". Even the anti-Brexit mainstream media dry-retched a little at the idea of scrapping the bogus but necessary ritual of a second referendum, and ran editorials on whether Ms Swinson may be the Nigel Farage of remain. 

But Ms Swinson is tellingly confident. A new wave of liberal populism is ripping through Remainia and she has decided her party should ride it. 

The wider public may bristle. Ms Swinson comes across as the radiantly sneering face of stuck-up liberal Britain. Her authoritarian rhetoric that rises and falls with plastic, patronising innocence is as perturbing as it is grating. But it is perfectly pitched to appeal to self-regarding metropolitans. Even her motto "Bollocks to Brexit" is a stroke of genius. Cackling defiance has become a snotty liberal affectation, similar to the way the word "like" punctuates every other word in their sentences. 

But there is something even more chilling underlying all this. The Lib Dems are expertly tapping into a virulent psychological need among some remainers to feel superior. Fuellled by social insecurity, despising Brexiteers has become a mark of status. Those who lambast leavers for suggesting that Britain is overcrowded do so out of frantic belief that the middle classes are themselves overcrowded. They are discombobulated by the fact that those who make £30,000  a year selling double glazing technically belong to the same sect as those who make £30,000 selling poetry books; and that Oxford graduates are theoretically condemned to the same social strata as those brandishing a degree from Oxford Brookes. Just maybe some militant Remainiacs have deduced that the best way to stand out in a crowded field is to distinguish themselves tribally from the provincial masses who want to leave the EU.

There are parallels with the cramped insecurity that fuelled the middle-class's fascinated disdain for "chavs" in the 90s; a struggling cosmopolitan bourgeoisie was vindictively keen to elevate itself above the flash Burberry-clad new money financially overtaking them.

But Brexit has shone a light on a new dimension to metropolitan snobbery. "Respectability" used to be the most important marker of superiority. Now it is "rationality". Perhaps this is down to the increased specialisation of middle-class professionals. Their sense of status derives from deep technical knowledge and command of esoteric managerial language. Thus Brexit is too complicated for the plebs to understand and leaving the EU is a study in simple-minded bigotry. It also explains the sickly admiration for slick professionals adept at preaching from the pulpit of constitutional pedantry - including Gina Miller.

Perhaps the most ironic strand to the remainer snobbery is the idea that the provincial "underclass" has been "deceived" with the promise of an unobtainable Brexit dream. This is little more than a projection of the bourgeois centrists' fears about their own gullability. They were utterly duped by the breathy promise of Blairism and watched in horror as it disintegrated in to a slime of warmongering, lies and spin. (It is only fitting that arch-remainer celebrity Alistair Campbell should seek to wash away his political sins in the weeping bog of cynical  paranoia that he created).

There is then, a segment of the urban middle-class that, bereft of any positive vision of the future, defines itself politically by its superiority to others. Until these people find new reason to hope, the star-stitched Brussels beret will confer the same symbolic significance as the Daily Mirror's flat cap a generation ago. The mines have long shut, but class hatred is an ever-burning charcoal to the British pysche.

Eminently sensible. Nice one Paul.

[Moon boy]

4 hours ago, Hoppy510 said:

I see Dominic Cummings has finally been pulled up after Facebook removed another Tory party Facebook Brexit ad targeted at the over 45s (presumably still using the same Cambridge Analytica psychological profiling data that he used to fix the Brexit referendum) as it was yet another outrageous lie - in this case about Tory funding for schools. He's targeting young people with messaging about mental health and policing. Claiming that the Tories are about to invest double the actual figure the Tories have said they would invest is right up there with - and this is an exact quote - "Turkey (population 76 million) is joining the EU. Vote Leave. Take back control." - which was sent under Cummings instructions to the Facebook pages of 20 million users, 3 million of whom who had never voted before 2016.

Currently the Tories are running nearly 700 targeted ads on Facebook each one tailor made to the psychological profile of the over 40 million targeted British users who are stupid enough to tell Big Brother pretty much everything about themselves right down to what they had for breakfast every day without even considering that every aspect of their lives is collated for profiling - and ultimately political manipulation. Incredibly, Cummings STILL hasn't been prosecuted, despite the findings of the Government Select Committee's conclusion that the Brexit referendum "wasn't fit for purpose" as regards being able to protect people from social media manipulation and he is still allowed to publish bare-faced lies to win votes from gullible people. Just wondering if Labour had sent a mocked up image of Boris with a young lad with the caption "Boris's dark paedo secret" they'd get away with nothing more than the ad being taken down after everyone had seen it?

I find it incredible that in a time when people are (rightly) complaining that social media needs to be regulated, folk like Cummings and his team can still get away with telling complete untruths specifically designed to manipulate the vote and getting away with it. I mean we all now know about how Bannan and CA engineered Trump's election and Brexit, but why isn't anything being done about it?

That said, Murdoch has been getting away with it for the last 30 years. To quote the man himself "When I go to Downing Street they do what I say. When I go to Brussels they take no notice" 

 

 

‘The psychological profile of over 40 million targeted British users’ , on Facebook? out of a population of 65million? Really?

 Fake News?

[DirtySanchez]

23 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

‘The psychological profile of over 40 million targeted British users’ , on Facebook? out of a population of 65million? Really?

 Fake News?

42 million users apparently 

[Wanderlust]

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

 

I smell left wing apparatchik.

Having said that, we agree on the highlighted bit. Struggle to believe that some people are so gullible and stupid.

 

Nowt particularly left wing about not liking having folk spying on us and having our detailed personal data sold on to private organisations so they know exactly how to push our buttons and cause the reaction they want, nor is it particularly left wing not to like folk found guilty of doing that getting away with it just because they are rich and influential.

I was wankered when I wrote that rant though.

[Moon boy]

26 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

42 million users apparently 

He must be correct then, I’ve read it on a football forum, I now believe it

Edited September 20, 2019 by Moon boy