Wanderers 0-2 Millwall

[gonzo]

What's there to argue about? It isn't working. ALF is trying hard but he doesn't offer enough threat to the defence as a lone striker, neither does he get enough supply. Not sure anyone can argue with those two things.

You said he needs a big man to play off. He had one, we didn't use him.

 

 

We played a big man up front alone that didn't work either.

 

Millwall have shown what can be done with organisation and well drilled coaching staff. That's apparently wrong too because they signed someone from Mansfield in June.

 

Parkinson in your eyes isn't to blame either?

 

 

 

You just spend all day going round in circles disagreeing with everything anyone says. It's draining.

 

 

The fact is we had survival in the bag after villa. Yet we've decided to lose our bottle. We make 6 changes every week, players bombed out for no reason, then bought back then bombed out again. System changes for 20 minutes have us playing then revert back to type.

[DazBob]

ALF put everything into the game, as usual, but he's feeding off scraps and having to continually challenge for headers with defenders a foot taller than him.

 

Derik never wants the ball. Ever. As soon as he gets the ball he just offloads it to the nearest person just so he doesn't have the responsibility of having to do anything with it.

 

Clough couldn't catch their fella to bring him down. Regardless of that, he offers nowt, especially stuck out on the left.

 

Our only player who has an ounce of creativity in his body is Ameobi and teams just double or triple up on him now.

 

The best way for our opponents to run the clock down is to give us a throw-in.

 

Grrr.

[Ani]

i'd love to hear from someone who feels that 2nd half approach (or even from when we went a goal down) wasnt instructed?

 

same shitty story of recent games. first 15 - 20 minutes. not really any complaints. tried to get the ball down. had one or two half chances which arent taken. concede then the plan reverts back to long diagonals.

 

until we conceded our two wingers were the best players on the park. Ameobi had their RB on toast. whatever the message was at HT it certainly wasnt "keep playing how we were before the goal" wingers were swapped over and the ball went Alniwick - their CB / keeper. therefore our 2 most prominent players in the 1st half were now out of the game.

 

Noone then gets dragged because he hasnt had a touch in 20 minutes. We've then got 2 strikers and 2 wingers on the pitch and it still goes Alnwick - their CB / Keeper

 

say what you want but that once again, comes from Parkinson. if it isnt why the fuck is he not on the touchline signalling to get the ball down? i watched him for a good 10-15 minutes and he did nothing!

 

people suggest he is willing to change things and yes he is, one game its 3-5-2, then next 4-1-4-1 then 4-4-2. Burke is in for a couple then goes missing. Karacan is out for 4, back for 2 then nowhere to be seen i could go on and on. sorry but that doesnt strike me as decisions that are made to affect a game. theyre more of a 'i still havent got a clue how i shoe horn this lot in to my long ball tactics' approach

 

because i can bet a pound to a pile of shit the teams in and around us arent making 3,4 or five changes a game and switching formations every week!

 

not good enough in any way shape of form

So you think it was working but Parky changed it ? Why would he ?

 

Last night was a team full of confidence against our lot no confidence and shitting themselves.

 

You can feel the confidence drain as the goal goes in.

 

ALF battles but was he doing when through in first half. Noones deflected shot looked very close and we potentially have a different game.

 

Playing Pratley in a more advanced role was a mistake. How he did not get for persistent fouling was amazing.

 

Henry and Derik both looked lost.

 

It was truly awful.

[ianofcleveleys]

M62 junction shut. Later m62 one lane open standing traffic and then dense fog on way home.

Sick to death of those motorway closures, put the tin hat on a bad night when you've to either take a big detour or sit in a queue at 10.30 at night

 

Fell apart today after their goal.

 

Slowest back 4 ever. Taylor wheater and Beevers look scared when anyone attacked. Need to change for Saturday.

 

Pratley must have committed a million fouls tonight. Drop him deeper with the other dirty one.

 

Ameobi was a decent outlet but ended up central.

 

We were shit tonight and Saturday.

 

Dreading Barnsley.

[barrycowdrill]

Well that’s the trouble. We were reliant on having someone who could play up front and lead the line. Without that we don’t really have a solution that’s been obvious since January. Perhaps we should put Ameobi up top and have Le Fondre buzzing round him?

 

weve tried that, Ameobi went inside in the 2nd half v Brum and what happened? he spent the next 30 minutes trying to flick a ball on from Alnwick. with Alf and vela in and around him and what was created? absolutely nothing!

 

yes, weve lost our target man who was integral to the way we played but what the managers job is is to find a solution or a way of playing that gets the best out of the players you now have. not trying to put square pegs in round holes to fit how YOU want to play!

 

there is nothing easier for defenders at this level than having to defend against static forwards and punts up to their heads. thats what they get paid to fucking do. our lot showed how easy that was last season! if anyone now thinks that is the best way we should be playing and notices rewards from it they want sectioning

[ianofcleveleys]

 

M62 junction shut. Later m62 one lane open standing traffic and then dense fog on way home.

Sick to death of those motorway closures, put the tin hat on a bad night when you've to either take a big detour or sit in a queue at 10.30 at night

 

Fell apart today after their goal.

 

Slowest back 4 ever. Taylor wheater and Beevers look scared when anyone attacked. Need to change for Saturday.

 

Pratley must have committed a million fouls tonight. Drop him deeper with the other dirty one.

 

Ameobi was a decent outlet but ended up central.

 

We were shit tonight and Saturday.

 

Dreading Barnsley.

 

Sorry, for got to add anything. Sick of those motorway closures, put the tin hat on a bad night having to either take a big detour or sit in a queue for ages at 10.30 at night, moving about as fast as our defence    

[mickbrown]

Our dead ball delivery was shocking last night,

 

Their 2nd goal - free kick to us send the big men up - Morais twats it over their heads to the only bloke on the team smaller than ALF. They break and boom, 2 - 0.

 

Same all match - Noone was  no better

[barrycowdrill]

So you think it was working but Parky changed it ? Why would he ?

 

Last night was a team full of confidence against our lot no confidence and shitting themselves.

 

You can feel the confidence drain as the goal goes in.

 

ALF battles but was he doing when through in first half. Noones deflected shot looked very close and we potentially have a different game.

 

Playing Pratley in a more advanced role was a mistake. How he did not get for persistent fouling was amazing.

 

Henry and Derik both looked lost.

 

It was truly awful.

well, until we conceded we created a few half chances. after we conceded and changed approach what did we create?

 

us going long happens far to often and for far too long for it to be continuously a player decision. and for arguments sake, say PP is pulling his hair out at Beevers for constantly lumping the ball long get a grip of him and tell him to stop it. or bench him and get Burke in the side. at least then you have a CB who is willing to take the ball and make a pass 

[Guest]

weve tried that, Ameobi went inside in the 2nd half v Brum and what happened? he spent the next 30 minutes trying to flick a ball on from Alnwick. with Alf and vela in and around him and what was created? absolutely nothing!

 

yes, weve lost our target man who was integral to the way we played but what the managers job is is to find a solution or a way of playing that gets the best out of the players you now have. not trying to put square pegs in round holes to fit how YOU want to play!

 

there is nothing easier for defenders at this level than having to defend against static forwards and punts up to their heads. thats what they get paid to fucking do. our lot showed how easy that was last season! if anyone now thinks that is the best way we should be playing and notices rewards from it they want sectioning

 

I don't think we've got the right balance within this squad. There isn't enough pace or the ability to make it stick up front. That makes "finding a way" very tricky for any manager.

 

Nobody is taking responsibility for scoring a goal or making something happen to create a goal. 

[barrycowdrill]

I don't think we've got the right balance within this squad. There isn't enough pace or the ability to make it stick up front. That makes "finding a way" very tricky for any manager.

 

Nobody is taking responsibility for scoring a goal or making something happen to create a goal. 

 

no we havent. but we've certainly not got the right 'balance' in the squad to be playing the type of football we currently are 80% of the time

 

sorry but if we do go down then pointing to the departure of a player 6 months & 20 games ago as the main reason should not protect Parkinson 

[Guest]

Double post 

Edited April 11, 2018 by bwfcfan5

[Guest]

no we havent. but we've certainly not got the right 'balance' in the squad to be playing the type of football we currently are 80% of the time

 

sorry but if we do go down then pointing to the departure of a player 6 months & 20 games ago as the main reason should not protect Parkinson 

 

I think our best chance is to keep games very tight and try to score off set plays. Last night the corners and free kicks were dreadful. And given how poor we are in open play I'd agree that Parkinson and the coaches need to take some responsibility for that.

 

If we're to win games between now and the end of the season we need to defend incredibly well and find a way to win set pieces and score from them. 

[darrener]

You said he needs a big man to play off. He had one, we didn't use him.

 

 

We played a big man up front alone that didn't work either.

 

Millwall have shown what can be done with organisation and well drilled coaching staff. That's apparently wrong too because they signed someone from Mansfield in June.

 

Parkinson in your eyes isn't to blame either?

 

 

 

You just spend all day going round in circles disagreeing with everything anyone says. It's draining.

 

 

The fact is we had survival in the bag after villa. Yet we've decided to lose our bottle. We make 6 changes every week, players bombed out for no reason, then bought back then bombed out again. System changes for 20 minutes have us playing then revert back to type.

????

[darrener]

I think our best chance is to keep games very tight and try to score off set plays. Last night the corners and free kicks were dreadful. And given how poor we are in open play I'd agree that Parkinson and the coaches need to take some responsibility for that.

 

If we're to win games between now and the end of the season we need to defend incredibly well and find a way to win set pieces and score from them.

poor in open play? We don't have any open play ffs it's just wellied anywhere. How Beevers gets in the team is beyond me, just watch the goal, he just let's their man run in and score he did exactly the same thing against Birmingham but he will be the first name on the team sheet against Barnsley. Parky sticks Taylor in against their fastest player unbelievable. If Messi played for us he'd never see the ball . Parky is the problem fuck him off

[barrycowdrill]

I think our best chance is to keep games very tight and try to score off set plays. Last night the corners and free kicks were dreadful. And given how poor we are in open play I'd agree that Parkinson and the coaches need to take some responsibility for that.

 

If we're to win games between now and the end of the season we need to defend incredibly well and find a way to win set pieces and score from them. 

 

i agree to a certain degree. that was basically what got us promoted last season.

 

sadly, relying on such a direct and simple approach in this league with only 4 games to go when weve had very little success from it so far this season doesnt give me much hope

[Guest]

poor in open play? We don't have any open play ffs it's just wellied anywhere. How Beevers gets in the team is beyond me, just watch the goal, he just let's their man run in and score he did exactly the same thing against Birmingham but he will be the first name on the team sheet against Barnsley. Parky sticks Taylor in against their fastest player unbelievable. If Messi played for us he'd never see the ball . Parky is the problem fuck him off

 

We played some decent stuff, especially in the first half. We're just not good enough to break teams down consistently. I don't think changing the manager solves the issues we've got. Just like Lennon, Freedman, Coyle didn't. The players if we're honest aren't quite good enough. However, it may be that a Big Mick type comes in and rouses a performance or two. However, that isn't happening. So best we can hope for is Parky getting them right up for the last 4 games and us somehow sneaking two 1-0 wins...somehow....

[barrycowdrill]

poor in open play? We don't have any open play ffs it's just wellied anywhere. How Beevers gets in the team is beyond me, just watch the goal, he just let's their man run in and score he did exactly the same thing against Birmingham but he will be the first name on the team sheet against Barnsley. Parky sticks Taylor in against their fastest player unbelievable. If Messi played for us he'd never see the ball . Parky is the problem fuck him off

 

i honestly dont know what the answer is with Parkinson

 

if we do stay up i think where we are now is the limit of where he can get us. money / no money, better players, i dont think it will change a thing in how we play which will always struggle in this league

 

if we go down then hes failed in his primary objective which was keeping us up so he should be potted. however, hes a good league 1 manager and id argue there would probably be no one better to get us back up...

 

Ken has some decisions 

[radcliffe white]

i honestly dont know what the answer is with Parkinson

 

if we do stay up i think where we are now is the limit of where he can get us. money / no money, better players, i dont think it will change a thing in how we play which will always struggle in this league

 

if we go down then hes failed in his primary objective which was keeping us up so he should be potted. however, hes a good league 1 manager and id argue there would probably be no one better to get us back up...

 

Ken has some decisions

he has one to shake hands and say bye to Parkinson

[ianofcleveleys]

If we go down Parky should go and let someone else have a go at getting us back up. I don't fancy another season of watching his brand of football. It got us up last time but it wasn't much fun to watch week in week out

[gonzo]

My main concern with the current regime is that when we lose our shit, we lose it big style.

 

We don't just draw a couple and lose one, the wheels come off completely and it takes 5 losses on the bounce before anythings done about it.

 

Nobody involved with Bolton Wanderers has a clue what to do for the best on Saturday.

 

The manager has got 3 days to form some kind of approach. People are starting to panic, once that sets in were fucked.

[barrycowdrill]

My main concern with the current regime is that when we lose our shit, we lose it big style.

 

We don't just draw a couple and lose one, the wheels come off completely and it takes 5 losses on the bounce before anythings done about it.

 

Nobody involved with Bolton Wanderers has a clue what to do for the best on Saturday.

 

The manager has got 3 days to form some kind of approach. People are starting to panic, once that sets in were fucked.

a team who felt they were dead & buried a couple of weeks ago but have been buoyed by a few results in their favour against a team who felt they were pretty much there a couple of weeks ago who have been hammered by a few results going against them

 

wonder which way it will go  

[radcliffe white]

My main concern with the current regime is that when we lose our shit, we lose it big style.

 

We don't just draw a couple and lose one, the wheels come off completely and it takes 5 losses on the bounce before anythings done about it.

 

Nobody involved with Bolton Wanderers has a clue what to do for the best on Saturday.

 

The manager has got 3 days to form some kind of approach. People are starting to panic, once that sets in were fucked.

yes and if we slip into the bottom 3 I can’t see us coming out that will be it

 

I looked back at the highlights of the villa game last night and after the whistle the fist pumps and celebrations how it’s come to this is unbelievable

[Guest]

My main concern with the current regime is that when we lose our shit, we lose it big style.

 

We don't just draw a couple and lose one, the wheels come off completely and it takes 5 losses on the bounce before anythings done about it.

 

Nobody involved with Bolton Wanderers has a clue what to do for the best on Saturday.

 

The manager has got 3 days to form some kind of approach. People are starting to panic, once that sets in were fucked.

 

I don't think its a case of not doing anything about it. But yes its a pattern and a worrying one.

 

We don't have a small bad run we have huge periods then suddenly click again and look good.

 

Happened last year too. Sometimes you see it coming with a few key lads out or whatever. In this instance whilst we've clearly lacked goals for a while I don't think anyone saw us going from Villa to this.....is it the players or the management or both? Parky does seem to try and change things but I wonder if he changes too much. We can't keep lurching from one system to another 5 in and out...what is the best team...pick it. 

[Zico]

yes and if we slip into the bottom 3 I can’t see us coming out that will be it

 

I looked back at the highlights of the villa game last night and after the whistle the fist pumps and celebrations how it’s come to this is unbelievable

 

players were described as running through walls for the manager against Villa

 

2 games later and KA sees fit you use his column to go on about players not trying

 

maybe everyone did think we were safe post villa and no further effort was required, but if so it shouldn't be too difficult to instill some urgency and passion back into the players

 

so what the fuck happened, Leeds wasn't even that bad, but the last 3 have been as bad as the start of the season

[radcliffe white]

players were described as running through walls for the manager against Villa

 

2 games later and KA sees fit you use his column to go on about players not trying

 

maybe everyone did think we were safe post villa and no further effort was required, but if so it shouldn't be too difficult to instill some urgency and passion back into the players

 

so what the fuck happened, Leeds wasn't even that bad, but the last 3 have been as bad as the start of the season

Leeds wasn’t that bad started to play when we went 2 down and could of snatched a draw

 

Birmingham was the one for me all we had to do was avoid defeat a draw would of been fine

 

Like I say if we slip into the 3 at weekends it’s goodbye this guy has lost it