Take Over

[TM Trotter]

5 hours ago, Chris Custodiet said:

Its three months since Rubins were appointed and today's the day by which they have to report whether Kendo was the mastermind behind the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, the invasion of Poland and the financial undertakings of Bernie Madoff. But I expect that guilty until proved innocent will remain the policy of the journos of the Beeno and other erstwhile chip wrappings whatever Rubins come up with.

I don't suppose anyone noticed that most of the lads magnificently representing BWFC on Saturday were products of the, shush don't mention the name, Eddie Davies Academy. No-one would have been more pleased than Eddie. Is it too optimistic to think that a few might have noticed that, despite the impossibly stretched finances over the last few years, the axe did not fall on the academy?

Its coming up to the anniversary of Eddie's death and I was reading recently about his funeral published in Isle of Man newspapers. It didn't appear in the Beeno, of course, but there were wreaths of red roses, symbolic of Eddie's lifelong devotion to Bolton and Lancashire.

I wonder if, like me, he still addressed letters to Bolton, Lancs.

Your tone suggests that you believe that anyone with a negative view of Anderson's management of the club is automatically inclined to discredit the fantastic support ED gave to BWFC. 

Outside the minds of the occasional simpleton on Twitter or raging lunatic on the BN comments page, I genuinely don't believe you'll find many normal fans falling into that category. 

A little less of the condescension on this topic, perhaps?

Edited August 13, 2019 by TM Trotter

[Sluffy]

18 minutes ago, Damocles said:

Not a stretch, he isn’t intending on being a director or PSI, the question has always been about the source, that’s why the EFL and KA booted him out, he’s claiming he satisfied the requirements as stated on the purchase agreement.

In which case isn't his issue with if the EFL?

And wouldn't a judicial review of their decision and how they arrived at it be unsuitable in such an instance?

Edited August 13, 2019 by Sluffy
Grammar errors

[MalcolmW]

7 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

In which case isn't his issue with if the EFL?

And wouldn't a judicial review of their decision and how they arrived at it be unsuitable in such an instance?

I think Bassini's issue has always been with the EFL. BWFC just came into view at a suitable time for him. Maybe he's transferred his hopes to Bury?

[peelyfeet]

29 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

I would suggest non of the other 41 clubs you've mentioned had to deal with amongst others as a £200m debt to service, Holdsworth's BlueMarble loan and players on Premier League wages whilst playing at the third tier level.

Of course I have sympathy with those staff and students at the academy - it's not their fault any of this that has happened but when the club is fighting for its financial survival then anything other than keeping the club on the pitch becomes expenditure that can no longer be tolerated at least at the level that it had been.

Needs must, as without a club there is no academy anyway.

Harsh realities of the state of football in England, isn't it. The sacrifice of long term stability for short term gains. It will be interesting to see if the club learns from its past mistakes, when it does hopefully rise from the current predicament, and invests in long term sustainable growth this time. 

[Sluffy]

1 minute ago, MalcolmW said:

I think Bassini's issue has always been with the EFL. BWFC just came into view at a suitable time for him. Maybe he's transferred his hopes to Bury?

Yes, probably, but what I was meaning is that sport bodies are usually the 'law' that governs/legislates their own sport, so if as in the case the EFL is satisfied that Bassini hadn't met their conditions to own the club, then it isn't in law up to a high court judge to determine if that was the correct decision or not.

That was the point I was attempting to make.

Sorry, my fault if I failed to make that clear enough.

[Damocles]

1 hour ago, Sluffy said:

In which case isn't his issue with if the EFL?

And wouldn't a judicial review of their decision and how they arrived at it be unsuitable in such an instance?

Yes it is, proof of his funds have always been suitable for KA, it’s the EFL that influenced Anderson to withdraw from talks, all the deadlines were set by the EFL. 

Before he can challenge the EFL he has to overturn the cancellation of the purchase agreement.

[Chris Custodiet]

1 hour ago, peelyfeet said:

Harsh realities of the state of football in England, isn't it. The sacrifice of long term stability for short term gains. It will be interesting to see if the club learns from its past mistakes, when it does hopefully rise from the current predicament, and invests in this time. 

Where did you get the idea that there was any realistic prospect of 'long term sustainable growth' in the EFL? The best you can hope for is minimising your losses, a sugar daddy to make up the difference and a few lucky breaks to help you beat the odds.

[GeorgeTomlinson]

This is going to end badly.

[DomRepWanderer]

4 minutes ago, GeorgeTomlinson said:

This is going to end badly.

Well going off your previous posts, thank fuck.

[peelyfeet]

15 minutes ago, Chris Custodiet said:

Where did you get the idea that there was any realistic prospect of 'long term sustainable growth' in the EFL? The best you can hope for is minimising your losses, a sugar daddy to make up the difference and a few lucky breaks to help you beat the odds.

If you are implying that every Football League Club is doomed without luck or a sugar daddy,  I don't agree. Whilst the majority of FL clubs have been seduced into short term-ism (if that's a word!) by paying higher wages and transfers fees than their income could afford, to chase the riches that promotion can give, there have still consistently been 15-20 % of EFL clubs making a profit each season, over the last few years, which suggests that it is possible. If several years ago, BWFC had decided to invest a few more million £ into the development of their academy,  instead of transfer fees and first team players wages, I think it's likely that they would have had a higher number of valuable players coming through over a longer period of time. I'm not saying its easy to do, but I'm sure that it can be done.     

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 hours ago, Traf said:

Too easy.

Just wait until them yorky buggers, not content with snaffling todmorden, come for backup etc. Hell to pay.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

16 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

If you are implying that every Football League Club is doomed without luck or a sugar daddy,  I don't agree. Whilst the majority of FL clubs have been seduced into short term-ism (if that's a word!) by paying higher wages and transfers fees than their income could afford, to chase the riches that promotion can give, there have still consistently been 15-20 % of EFL clubs making a profit each season, over the last few years, which suggests that it is possible. If several years ago, BWFC had decided to invest a few more million £ into the development of their academy,  instead of transfer fees and first team players wages, I think it's likely that they would have had a higher number of valuable players coming through over a longer period of time. I'm not saying its easy to do, but I'm sure that it can be done.     

 

This has been touched upon several times, and maybe this is where the fa, efl etc all have to get together, for the future of the game, and reach agreement whereby the silly wages/agents fees are controlled such that clubs can live sustainably.

If all wages, had to become more inline with clubs'earnings, the players are still going to want to play aren't they?

If a future Wayne Rooney for example can only earn 50k per week and not 200k per week then he's not going to pack it in and study to be a doctor.

Slightly different at the lower end I can understand, but if a 0payer currently of 2k per week has to earn 1k, again how many will jump ship? If they did, someone else would be willing to fill the gap.

[Benny The Ball]

1 hour ago, GeorgeTomlinson said:

This is going to end badly.

You might be right 

Would have greatly assisted the hearing tomorrow If Quantuma had come out today and announced FV as preferred bidders on Hotel 

The absence of any news on the Hotel  leaves me now fearing this is not  going to end well 

[DomRepWanderer]

3 minutes ago, Benny The Ball said:

You might be right 

Would have greatly assisted the hearing tomorrow If Quantuma had come out today and announced FV as preferred bidders on Hotel 

The absence of any news on the Hotel  leaves me now fearing this is not  going to end well 

I would have thought that Quantuma had to await the court outcome tomorrow before making an announcement.

[Benny The Ball]

4 minutes ago, DomRepWanderer said:

I would have thought that Quantuma had to await the court outcome tomorrow before making an announcement.

I dont see why they cannot announce them as preferred bidder if that is their decision . 

At least then we go into court able to say the club has a buyer waiting to complete  and Bassini is obstructing completion . 

The longer it goes on unannounced  the more I think FV wont get the Hotel and will ultimately walk and tomorrow  we can only say in court we have a potential buyer who has made a conditional offer for the club which is dependent on purchasing another business 

I suppose saying nothing today is better than saying FV are not getting the hotel - as we would then go into court with no potential buyer at all 

Or is it ? 

 

 

 

 

 

[Benny The Ball]

For those Interested 

Daily Cause List 

In the High Court of Justice

Business and Property Courts in Manchester 

IMPORTANT: Notice to all parties and their advocates.

Each level in the Civil and Family Justice Centre has either one or two usher stations.

Please ensure you go directly to the usher station and register your arrival 

Before His Honour Judge Eyre QC

Sitting as a Judge of the High Court 

Sitting in Court 43 on level 9

At the Manchester Civil Justice Centre, 1 Bridge Street West, Manchester

On Wednesday 14 August 2019 

In Public 

10.30am

Circuit Commercial Court (QBD)

CC-2019-MAN-000041    Bassini v. Inner Circle Investments Limited and another Inj 1 hour

 

[Spider]

Worth reminding everyone that the judges don’t give a fuck about football.

It’s based on facts, which from what I’ve seen give Bassini a chance.

We’ve been here before, but tomorrow’s fixture is as important as we’ve had for a long time.

[MalcolmW]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

This has been touched upon several times, and maybe this is where the fa, efl etc all have to get together, for the future of the game, and reach agreement whereby the silly wages/agents fees are controlled such that clubs can live sustainably.

If all wages, had to become more inline with clubs'earnings, the players are still going to want to play aren't they?

If a future Wayne Rooney for example can only earn 50k per week and not 200k per week then he's not going to pack it in and study to be a doctor.

Slightly different at the lower end I can understand, but if a 0payer currently of 2k per week has to earn 1k, again how many will jump ship? If they did, someone else would be willing to fill the gap.

Kenny Deuchar qualified as a doctor and went on to play in each division of the Scottish league, as well as brief sojourns in English League One (for Northampton) and the MLS in the first decade of this century.

Dr Kevin O'Flanagan played for Arsenal in the first league season after WWII. He was a part-time GP and remained an amateur (not because he was a doctor but because he wanted to be able to continue to play RU).

 

[RoadRunnerFan]

38 minutes ago, MalcolmW said:

Kenny Deuchar qualified as a doctor and went on to play in each division of the Scottish league, as well as brief sojourns in English League One (for Northampton) and the MLS in the first decade of this century.

Dr Kevin O'Flanagan played for Arsenal in the first league season after WWII. He was a part-time GP and remained an amateur (not because he was a doctor but because he wanted to be able to continue to play RU).

 

Doctor Khumalo played almost 400 games for Kaiser Chiefs and got 50 caps for South Africa. 

[Clarence Carter]

2 minutes ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

Doctor Khumalo played almost 400 games for Kaiser Chiefs and got 50 caps for South Africa. 

This is the modern way.

[Marc505]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Worth reminding everyone that the judges don’t give a fuck about football.

It’s based on facts, which from what I’ve seen give Bassini a chance.

We’ve been here before, but tomorrow’s fixture is as important as we’ve had for a long time.

Some do, in fact a few in there are ST holders at different clubs and really are into the game and want nothing more than to talk about it for hours, but some think it's the absolute bane of society played and watched by scum. Be just our luck to get the latter!

You're right though, it's all based on facts. And if Bassini keeps his mouth shut (he's planning to attend) and lets the professionals stick to arguing black and white, who knows.

[Tommy Banks]

At the risk of some abuse, does anyone know what happens if Bassini wins his case.

[lowcarbon]

We will have 15 new prem players in the squad, win two cup finals, and be playing in the Champions league within  3 years, If Bassini wins, according to him anyway.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Tommy Banks said:

At the risk of some abuse, does anyone know what happens if Bassini wins his case.

Plenty of people 

[Guest]

Interesting listing....no mention of Burnden Leisure there....is injunction only against ICI?