Mental Health/Depression

[frank_spencer]

If I go a couple of days with out me citalopram I'm a big ball of grumpy anger. Get wound up about the smallest and most petty shite.

The car could fall apart and I'd shrug it off, slightly snag my jacket sleeve going through the door and the door gets slammed shut  with a stream of expletives and possibly the odd kick or 2.

The wife has Borderline Personality Disorder and OCD so coupled with the autistic son it's a seemingly endless supply of issues at Castle Spencer. Added to that my dad was diagnosed with bone marrow cancer a couple of weeks ago so sleep has been all over the show. Fuck knows how I'm going to get on having to do school runs next week.

[Not in Crawley]

7 hours ago, gonzo said:

...they just bring you up to the same level as everyone else 👍🏻

That’s how I see it. I’m not really a ‘down’ person and always been pragmatic but the anxiety which led to anger was a real problem - and it was getting worse with age, so whilst once upon a time you could get away with being an angry young man, I was just a misanthropic, grumpy arse; seeing not much joy in anything and dismissive of everyone.

This has just brought me back in line and really showed that nothing I was doing was making my life any better.

Anyway, seems my little sister had the same issues and we finally both spoke about it last Easter - seems like we going through the same process and on the same meds! Just talking is great, I’m happy to talk to work colleagues who often say I seem happier - get rid of any stigma.

As this shows, we all have our own problems, even discussing it on a online forum can help.

 

[Rudy]

12 hours ago, gonzo said:

...they just bring you up to the same level as everyone else 👍🏻

Great way of putting it 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

19 hours ago, dave2980 said:

I think I've always had MH issues but it finally came to a head about 12 months ago when I couldn't even get out of bed.

I was taking 30mg of Fluoxitine (Prozac) and finally came off them in July. I didn't feel they had any effect on me (bar the odd toilet episode 😉)

I've felt generally OK for the last 6 months. Today I feel as low as I did 12 months ago but I know it'll pass.

I'm not sure medication is for me. Talking is good, I also found CBT a great help as it makes you more mindful of whats going on upstairs but it's not for everyone. I now read a lot of self help books, I'd recommend the following - James Clear, Atomic Habits & Mark Manson, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck..

Maybe we need to organise a WW Talking Therapies Group 😁

An interesting point here, and one that Gonzo has touched upon some time ago.

From my experience, it can be a bit counterproductive to try too much, certainly at once.

One thing when you're suffering, is the difficulty in knowing what way to turn and what to do.

At these low points you just want someone to take the pain away, and almost make decisions for you. 

Helps get you on an even keel then can start to assess yourself (cbt good for this) and do what is best for you.

I've discovered that talking too much can be counterproductive. Never be afraid to do so, but sometimes you can feel yourself being dragged down by being in a negative situation too often.

That might be watching too much news, wanderers dire situation, or watching too many programmes about mh issues.

Perhaps a bit hypocritical, but I now make a point of not getting into documentaries or news articles that go into terrible things that folk have experienced.

Part of cbt, recognise what works for you and what your triggers are. I've found even spending too much time on this website can fuck with my head- as much as I enjoy it!

I also enjoy the summer holidays when my lad comes and works with me. Lone working can be detrimental.

Attending the Bradford game in midweek would be massive for me.

I feel compelled, but haven't managed a night match for around three years: the last one we won, then came out of the ground and for some reason went into some sort of strange anxiety/panic attack. Fuck knows why but I did. Now I've got myself a bit concerned about a repeat or a late night and post match adrenaline buggering my sleep up.

All part of the process of recovery; if I attend then great, another step, if not, then ok won't beat myself up.

Might just stick this on Manc's daughter's website; been wondering what to put on as didn't want to be too maudlin.

 

Edited September 1, 2019 by Tonge moor green jacket

[MancWanderer]

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

All part of the process of recovery; if I attend then great, another step, if not, then ok won't beat myself up.

Might just stick this on Manc's daughter's website; been wondering what to put on as didn't want to be too maudlin.

 

It’s stuff like that she’s hoping to get from the stories that people post. It’s OK to not be OK!!!

[Punchbag]

I am on Mirtazapine which help me to sleep also Diazepam that help with nervs. I s this normal or not when i walk i avoid repairs in the roads pavements and car parks as they are grave shaped i cant stop it.

[Punchbag]

Been on the diazepan for more than 25 years as well as other antidepresants.

[Punchbag]

I also feel that inanimat objects have feelings and i cant throw them away in case it upsets them. I did have councilling some years back but the person said he was not qualified to advise me.

[Punchbag]

I have not sat on a toilet since i was a toddler because i think something awful will come up the toilet.

[Blondi]

So glad it's not just me that's on meds for anxiety/depression, I take one 40mg of propranolol once a day and 10mg of citalopram too, kind of makes me feel reasonably normal, but anxiety runs in my family and it's draining at times.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 hours ago, Punchbag said:

I have not sat on a toilet since i was a toddler because i think something awful will come up the toilet.

Mate; dunno what you are like with regard to going to your gp, but when mine referee me to psychiatry and cbt it was the start of proper treatment and recovery.

Cbt etc is done as part of NHS treatment at a place opposite the town hall. A number of staff, qualified to help.

Psychiatry helped with medication. Something to help with anxiety/epilepsy.

Seems you have issues dating back a long way- please go to your gp.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Oh, and just been told my cousin died last week, from the big C.

Mum didn't tell us whilst we were away on holiday.

Life's a twat at times, but then things like fv happen. Yin and Yang.

[Punchbag]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Mate; dunno what you are like with regard to going to your gp, but when mine referee me to psychiatry and cbt it was the start of proper treatment and recovery.

Cbt etc is done as part of NHS treatment at a place opposite the town hall. A number of staff, qualified to help.

Psychiatry helped with medication. Something to help with anxiety/epilepsy.

Seems you have issues dating back a long way- please go to your gp.

I did he gave me a self referal to Mindfulness i went but he seemed confused and i ended up questioning him and basically he said he was confidant i could deal with it myself.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Are you?

Or do you feel, at least some of the time, that you struggle to cope and could do with some help?

I often took the wife of my brother to gp appointments, so they could give their observations. Helps stop inadvertent hiding of symptoms etc.

[Punchbag]

6 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Are you?

Or do you feel, at least some of the time, that you struggle to cope and could do with some help?

I often took the wife of my brother to gp appointments, so they could give their observations. Helps stop inadvertent hiding of symptoms etc.

Yes for reasons unknown to me i tell them the truth but in a strong positive way and they obviously think i must be ok a day later i'm in the toilet quivering in fear with stomach cramps. The Mirtazapine are making me feel like a zombie.GP does nothing i'm out of choices.

[Punchbag]

Doc wants me off diazepam and on more zombie pills but the diazepam is the only thing helping with the multiple panic attacks even then i try and become as small as i can and hide .

Edited September 2, 2019 by Punchbag

[Tonge moor green jacket]

The Pams have an effect, but my GP only let me have them for a brief while.

In the end the psychiatrist prescribed pregablin which worked an absolute treat for anxiety/sleep and also benefits epilepsy.

Has its problems like any medicine, but worked for me.

I know what it's like when you get to the docs, you go into brave mode to a degree.

Open up to him, take someone with you, show them your messages off here. Try to demand more serious help.

Contact samiritans and ask for advice in the meantime or try one of the other mental health charities.

Like everyone else, you are entitled to help. If you can't get joy with your gp, you may need to go to another one, but perhaps try a visit to a practice nurse and explain how you feel the doc isn't listening. She might be able to sort it for you.

[kent_white]

Every GP in Bolton now has a Mental Health Practitioner. Someone you can go and speak to who is a bit more specialist than your GP and can get you quicker access to services if that's what you need. A lot of the time - they can sort it for you at the surgery with some lower level support.

[leigh white]

Having spent nearly a week visiting my mam in Bolton Hospital, it's pitiful hearing cries from nearby  bays on the ward from patients suffering from mental illness. The staff deserve a medal for what they do.

Edited September 2, 2019 by leigh white

[Tonge moor green jacket]

32 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Every GP in Bolton now has a Mental Health Practitioner. Someone you can go and speak to who is a bit more specialist than your GP and can get you quicker access to services if that's what you need. A lot of the time - they can sort it for you at the surgery with some lower level support.

Cheers. I thought about you being able to offer some advice. Hopefully he will get the help he needs.

Nice one.

[kent_white]

26 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Cheers. I thought about you being able to offer some advice. Hopefully he will get the help he needs.

Nice one.

Hope so - and threads like this show how much we've moved on when it comes to talking about mental health in this country. Especially us blokes.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

23 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Hope so - and threads like this show how much we've moved on when it comes to talking about mental health in this country. Especially us blokes.

Here's something for you. I've said before but I'll ask specifically, would it help if it wasn't always referred to as mental health?

It's an illness, with different causes, symptoms and treatments etc.

Just like another organ that might malfunction in some way.

Perhaps if it was expressed more in terms of hormones etc and a physical issue of the brain people could associate with it more and see it for what it is, rather than some sort of mysterious hoodoo that separates you from the rest of society for being two drops short of a piss?

[Rudy]

8 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Here's something for you. I've said before but I'll ask specifically, would it help if it wasn't always referred to as mental health?

It's an illness, with different causes, symptoms and treatments etc.

Just like another organ that might malfunction in some way.

Perhaps if it was expressed more in terms of hormones etc and a physical issue of the brain people could associate with it more and see it for what it is, rather than some sort of mysterious hoodoo that separates you from the rest of society for being two drops short of a piss?

Think you might be right, seems there’s a little bit of a stigma attached to ‘mental health’ . Doc said to me if you were throwing up or had an awful cough you wouldn’t refer to it as physical health and you’d get help for it, it’s just your health, that eased my mind 

[gonzo]

Anyone else know what kind of day it’s going to be about 3 minutes after you wake up? 

...you just know it’s in for the day 

[Rudy]

41 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Anyone else know what kind of day it’s going to be about 3 minutes after you wake up? 

...you just know it’s in for the day 

Aye, can usually feel it in my chest and feels like there is some kind of worry or panic, but I have no real worries in my life which kinda fucks me off even more that it’s happening for no real reason.