marcx666 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 57 minutes ago, Cheese said: It's basically a long term experiment mate. I'm sure we've discussed this in private before, but none of it ever seemed to work for me. I know a lot of people who eventually found the right concoction though. I probably would if I'd stuck to the advice I was given. Most important thing regarding mental health is talking about it. Treatment is different for everyone, but letting someone know you're struggling is the biggest step. Which makes me a massive hypocrite as I usually just hide in my shell when I feel like chucking myself under a train. Now this is something I understand very well, with the whole bi polar, I was on a concoction of mood stabilisers, anti psychotics, and anti depressants, which never worked together, and then after numerous drug changes, you'd eventually find a combination that worked, then after half an hour your brain would be like "fuck you" and you'd end up worse than before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, marcx666 said: Now this is something I understand very well, with the whole bi polar, I was on a concoction of mood stabilisers, anti psychotics, and anti depressants, which never worked together, and then after numerous drug changes, you'd eventually find a combination that worked, then after half an hour your brain would be like "fuck you" and you'd end up worse than before. I can relate to that: epilim, anti depressants, sleeping aids etc. Put me on a particular medicine for epilepsy, which said on the packet in big letters: don't take it you are suffering from anxiety/depression. Two tablets only, and cheese's train couldn't come soon enough. Fortunately, by then experience had allowed me to recognise the approach of the big black dog, and stop taking it/get emergency appt with to. Edited August 30, 2019 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Never thought I had 'depression' but the other half forced my to talk to the Drs about anxiety and why I was feeling angry all the time - punishing myself with running all the time. Don't think I dealt with not being with my kids all the time when I separated - just carried on. Anyway bit of councilling and started on Sertaline - and I'm in a really good place - feel happier, calmer, don't sweat the big stuff, don't feel constantly guilty or a failure and as a result I'm a better father and partner. in fact, i'm a nicer person. As above, the first step is going, oh, perhaps everything isn't ok, and that is ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted August 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Never thought I had 'depression' but the other half forced my to talk to the Drs about anxiety and why I was feeling angry all the time - punishing myself with running all the time. Don't think I dealt with not being with my kids all the time when I separated - just carried on. Anyway bit of councilling and started on Sertaline - and I'm in a really good place - feel happier, calmer, don't sweat the big stuff, don't feel constantly guilty or a failure and as a result I'm a better father and partner. in fact, i'm a nicer person. As above, the first step is going, oh, perhaps everything isn't ok, and that is ok. Due to dealing with my wife & lads illnesses/injuries I've tread a similar path to yourself & just started on the sertaline this Wednesday. Between taking that first step & coming home from the Dr's to hear the takeover news I'm feeling a bit better already😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Mental health is like a silent assassin. You never see it coming and often don't realise it has struck you or your family until it's too late. I went through some really bad/dark times in the early 2000's and contemplated ending it all on more than one occasion. In one incident, I just jumped in my car and drove to Portsmouth, jumped on the ferry to France and stayed there for a while without telling anyone where I was going, what I was doing and how I was feeling. The only person I contacted was the HR of my employer, telling them I'd left my company car at Portsmouth and the keys were in the boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 14 hours ago, Cheese said: It's basically a long term experiment mate. I'm sure we've discussed this in private before, but none of it ever seemed to work for me. I know a lot of people who eventually found the right concoction though. I probably would if I'd stuck to the advice I was given. Most important thing regarding mental health is talking about it. Treatment is different for everyone, but letting someone know you're struggling is the biggest step. Which makes me a massive hypocrite as I usually just hide in my shell when I feel like chucking myself under a train. Sorry to hear, hope all is ok now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 18 hours ago, Cheese said: It's basically a long term experiment mate. I'm sure we've discussed this in private before, but none of it ever seemed to work for me. I know a lot of people who eventually found the right concoction though. I probably would if I'd stuck to the advice I was given. Most important thing regarding mental health is talking about it. Treatment is different for everyone, but letting someone know you're struggling is the biggest step. Which makes me a massive hypocrite as I usually just hide in my shell when I feel like chucking myself under a train. Chin up pal. If you need a chinwag anytime, just give us a shout. Been in the same situation and it’s not good. Atvb mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted August 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 30, 2019 40 minutes ago, miamiwhite said: Chin up pal. If you need a chinwag anytime, just give us a shout. Been in the same situation and it’s not good. Atvb mate. Kinell S, you two are like lovestruck kids pretending not to like each other! Was actually expecting you to offer Cheese a timetable.... Only kidding lads 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted August 30, 2019 Author Share Posted August 30, 2019 I don’t suffer from any mental health problems. Never have done and hopefully never will My Dad. In the RAF in WW2. Saw stuff that would “break” some people. His uncle did a Reggie Perrin - stripped off and walked into a lodge off Smithills Dean Road and drowned himself. My Dad married his first wife after the war, had two kids, and she then committed suicide and left him (in the 1950’s) on his own with two young kids. He “just got on with it”, met his second wife (my Mum) and lived a fulfilling life until the age of 90 My Mum. Contracted polio as a young child. Battled through it (with ongoing health consequences), and met my dad. Had a first child (Tim) and then me. Tim died from “cot death” the morning after I was born. She “just got on with it” and is alive to this day, aged 82, railing on and on about snowflakes and the fact that people need to be take the shit and move on I grew up with that mentality. So when my daughter decided to swallow a shed load of paracetomol I was totally unprepared. I’d only ever experienced that “get on with it” thought process What I learned from from my daughter is the need to talk about it in any way, shape or form. I’ve given my daughters website as a way for those who want to communicate but not face to face. Folk on here can come across as a bit hard-faced at times but if you look at the replies on this thread there’s many on here willing to listen and try to help in many ways. To paraphrase casino, we do a lot wrong on here, but we do a hell of lot more that’s right by folk Sorry for the Sluffy-esque post (and by the way Sluffy was fucking ace when I first highlighted this issue) but it’s brought on by the news that I heard today that a lad that I knew at uni is no longer with us due to mental issues that he hid from everyone for fear of being judged Lastly. All the stuff that I put about my Mum and Dad above is not attention seeking but purely to highlight that whilst some people are able to cope (me included) we have to recognise that many people can’t. Never be afraid to reach out. In any way. Particularly to folk on here!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 30, 2019 6 hours ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: Due to dealing with my wife & lads illnesses/injuries I've tread a similar path to yourself & just started on the sertaline this Wednesday. Between taking that first step & coming home from the Dr's to hear the takeover news I'm feeling a bit better already😊 I've been on it for a few years now. Got up to 100mg now down to 50. I will be discussing the possibility of further reduction at next to appointment, though he will almost certainly say not now, as we are soon to enter autumn. Thing with sertraline is to give it time. You may feel worse or at least strange at times until it moderates and you get used to it. Can take a number of weeks, but stick with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted August 30, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 30, 2019 Will do pal, thanks. fwiw I feel better for opening up about how much I was struggling to the wife, though to be fair she already had me sussed. 4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I've been on it for a few years now. Got up to 100mg now down to 50. I will be discussing the possibility of further reduction at next to appointment, though he will almost certainly say not now, as we are soon to enter autumn. Thing with sertraline is to give it time. You may feel worse or at least strange at times until it moderates and you get used to it. Can take a number of weeks, but stick with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I’m just on the 50 - the first week I was gurning on the way into work! Gave me a massive rush - the other thing is for a month I had to spend a rather long time on the bog in the morning!! took a couple of weeks to balance out, but it really helps to drop the worry, enjoying the present and not being so hard on myself is a lovely feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted August 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2019 Cheers lads, I'm finding it a bit of a roller coaster at the moment. I was on the up yesterday but can barely shift my arse this morning 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I did get a bit meh at times, but actually started to enjoy it instead of manically always having to ‘do’ something - being able to relax and not feel bad about it is a nice feeling. Just enjoy the chill! 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted August 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2019 20mg Citalopram does the trick for me generally. Still get the odd blip mind but they are less common and more manageable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Not in Crawley said: I did get a bit meh at times, but actually started to enjoy it instead of manically always having to ‘do’ something - being able to relax and not feel bad about it is a nice feeling. Just enjoy the chill! 😄 I still feel meh at times. It's not without side effects. Some mornings, I'll take it and after 20-30 mins I'll start to feel it and will feel a bit spaced, disconnected, with a floaty brain! That sensation lasts around an hour. Most days, no effects. I have found it's better to have had something to eat a few minutes before taking it in the morning. Edited August 31, 2019 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I still feel meh at times. It's not without side effects. Some mornings, I'll take it and after 20-30 mins I'll start to feel it and will feel a bit spaced, disconnected, with a floaty brain! That sensation lasts around an hour. Most days, no effects. I have found it's better to have had something to eat a few minutes before taking it in the morning. I have to say that my coffee intake has increased - mainly at work so I don’t just shrug in client meetings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2019 Just now, Not in Crawley said: I have to say that my coffee intake has increased - mainly at work so I don’t just shrug in client meetings! One coffee, and I take ages to get to sleep. Gone full decaf, on both coffee and tea. Lack of sleep is my kryptonite; complicated by epilepsy, a shit night's sleep and I shake and am wary of driving or using my tools at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted August 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I still feel meh at times. It's not without side effects. Some mornings, I'll take it and after 20-30 mins I'll start to feel it and will feel a bit spaced, disconnected, with a floaty brain! That sensation lasts around an hour. Most days, no effects. I have found it's better to have had something to eat a few minutes before taking it in the morning. I'm taking mine at teatime due to the fact I'm out driving at 4.15 am, but I'm making sure I eat first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave2980 Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I think I've always had MH issues but it finally came to a head about 12 months ago when I couldn't even get out of bed. I was taking 30mg of Fluoxitine (Prozac) and finally came off them in July. I didn't feel they had any effect on me (bar the odd toilet episode 😉) I've felt generally OK for the last 6 months. Today I feel as low as I did 12 months ago but I know it'll pass. I'm not sure medication is for me. Talking is good, I also found CBT a great help as it makes you more mindful of whats going on upstairs but it's not for everyone. I now read a lot of self help books, I'd recommend the following - James Clear, Atomic Habits & Mark Manson, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck.. Maybe we need to organise a WW Talking Therapies Group 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 I’m also a sufferer of demons in my mind and have been through various meds and CBT as highlighted above for over 25 years. I recently have had to go back on to moderate my behavior more than anything else which was becoming an issue again took a lot for me to talk about how I felt to anyone and just bottled it up and made it worse over the years until I finally opened up to how I felt would strongly recommend anyone to talk about how they are feeling. mine was actually to not far off a stranger as I found that easier some good people on here and wouldn’t hesitate to open up nowadays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, dave2980 said: Maybe we need to organise a WW Talking Therapies Group 😁 It’s not a bad idea at all but I wouldn’t know how to do it. Along the lines of TMGJ’s gardening group? Keep talking everyone. My daughters mantra is if something helps just one person then it’s been a success. This has become a really big passion of mine. My best mate in the whole world is suffering badly at the mo. He’s in Brum and I’m in Manc. I do as much as possible and spend endless weekends with him and stay with him midweek a lot but there’s a limit. He’s benefitting a lot from talking on social media. It’s the talking and sharing experiences that’s important!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted August 31, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 31, 2019 41 minutes ago, MancWanderer said: It’s not a bad idea at all but I wouldn’t know how to do it. Along the lines of TMGJ’s gardening group? Keep talking everyone. My daughters mantra is if something helps just one person then it’s been a success. This has become a really big passion of mine. My best mate in the whole world is suffering badly at the mo. He’s in Brum and I’m in Manc. I do as much as possible and spend endless weekends with him and stay with him midweek a lot but there’s a limit. He’s benefitting a lot from talking on social media. It’s the talking and sharing experiences that’s important!!! Couldn't agree more mate, upto a week or so ago I was burying it all like we do but now I've opened Pandoras box its incredibly liberating & therapeutic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alibob Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 10 hours ago, Winchester White said: 20mg Citalopram does the trick for me generally. Still get the odd blip mind but they are less common and more manageable. Same here. I was worried meds would make me numb but instead I feel they help me cope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, alibob said: Same here. I was worried meds would make me numb but instead I feel they help me cope. ...they just bring you up to the same level as everyone else 👍🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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