Johnnyrotten Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said: I’d be more worried about Bridcutt’s lack of height at the back if we were conceding headed goals from open play, but at set pieces we should be more than strong enough with D Murphy coming back and Wright already there. Cut out the soft goals we’re conceding from set pieces and suddenly we look pretty formidable at home. Beaut of a finish from D Murphy for the third goal, real touch of quality. Thought Darcy was excellent and, having done well in the last home game, is showing a decent rate of progression which is very encouraging. Dodoo is still a bit of an enigma in terms of either getting top drawer or utter shite, sometimes even in the same movement, but I don’t think it would do him a disservice to describe him as a harder working version of Sammy Ameobi. On Radio Manc they were waxing lyrical about Verlinden, but to me he’s still all fur and no knickers and I’m not particularly expecting Stoke to recall him. Interesting points. On Bridcutt's height, I agree we should be capable of defending set pieces with Earl etc involved, but we are losing out on the easy headed clearances that we took for granted with Wheater, Beavers, Hobbs. Now the opposition get simple possession or cheap free kicks. Daryl Murphy, every goal he's scored has been a touch of class, not a tap in amongst them, in comparison they are goals Madine was incapable of, he's going to leave a massive hole to fill if he doesnt stick around next season. Agree on Dodoo, great 1 minute, dire the next or just not involved. But his 2 goals in 2 home games show he's a centre forward. Out of position on wing, is it a crime to play 2 up front? He hardly contributes out wide so we wouldnt be missing much there. Not in the same class as Ameobi, if he was lazy that makes Dodoo a pedestrian. SA would win tackles and help out at left back, then start attacks and be our only source of crosses and shooting at times. Dodoo hasnt got that in him, but if he did he wouldnt be here would he. Agree on Verlinden, he's OK for us, but well overrated and wont make it in the championship, Stoke definitely going down if they need him. Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 3 hours ago, 1969 said: First 30 minutes absolutely dog shit Then for some reason we started to press and work the ball If dodoo hadn't scored when he did the atmosphere would of turned a bit nasty as fans were already beginning to get pissed off with the shite being dished out me being one of them It was ripe for a massive booing off at half time, truly the worst first half hour I've seen from a Bolton side. Literally nothing to admire in defending, attitude, passing, attacking, nothing. Then a class finish from Dodoo, a good shot from Murphy that the keeper should have saved, and in the 2nd half we hardly turned up attacking wise but Southend gave us a 1 on 1 that Murphy took expertly. We said before the game a crap 1-0 would do, well that would involve a clean sheet that we arent capable of, so a crap 3-2 is what we got. Quote
Duck Egg Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 Verlindens delivery could do with some work but in possession hes streets ahead of most in the club. He's a great outlet when we're under the cosh and his trickery often means teams double up on him, creating space elsewhere. There's no way he'll still be with us after January Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Steejay said: The centre back situation is an observation not a negative criticism. Hobbs’ injuries have highlighted just how threadbare our squad is and what we have to deal with. With Matthews, I’m wondering if we have an alternative worth trying. He was really poor today. WTF is up with Alnwick anyway? Is Alexander worth trying again? We know that we’re not good enough but, fuck me, I can’t believe how much people were booing today. Centre backs: Hobbs, Wright, Earl, Edwards, Zouma. Surely 2 of those are available every week, so that we can win a few headers and put Bridcutt in midfield. Quote
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted December 21, 2019 Site Supporter Posted December 21, 2019 We didn't have a kick until 35 mins. Then we bucked up a bit. We scored three good goals, but fuck me we conceded the same goal twice today, and against Posh last week. I still think that if we'd started playing from the off we'd have given them the stuffing they deserve. I thought Verlinden had a good game in the second half, their RB (no 48 I think) was blowing out his arse late on. Quote
Kane57 Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Steejay said: The centre back situation is an observation not a negative criticism. Hobbs’ injuries have highlighted just how threadbare our squad is and what we have to deal with. With Matthews, I’m wondering if we have an alternative worth trying. He was really poor today. WTF is up with Alnwick anyway? Is Alexander worth trying again? We know that we’re not good enough but, fuck me, I can’t believe how much people were booing today. Alnwick is dealing with a particularly tough-to-take bereavement. Doubt he'll be back any time soon. Quote
Guest Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Francis Fogarty said: We didn't have a kick until 35 mins. Then we bucked up a bit. We scored three good goals, but fuck me we conceded the same goal twice today, and against Posh last week. I still think that if we'd started playing from the off we'd have given them the stuffing they deserve. I thought Verlinden had a good game in the second half, their RB (no 48 I think) was blowing out his arse late on. Wonder why Verlinden was taken off? Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Steejay said: The centre back situation is an observation not a negative criticism. Hobbs’ injuries have highlighted just how threadbare our squad is and what we have to deal with. With Matthews, I’m wondering if we have an alternative worth trying. He was really poor today. WTF is up with Alnwick anyway? Is Alexander worth trying again? We know that we’re not good enough but, fuck me, I can’t believe how much people were booing today. We cant be immune from criticism because of our situation. 11 back at throw ins never mind corners. Failure to mark at corners, players like Lowe who has been great this season playing like he's never passed a ball in his life, on what basis would you not boo if any game was ever worth booing? Alnwick would be on bench if he was OK, so he's not OK, so not a lot to discuss. Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 41 minutes ago, Duck Egg said: Verlindens delivery could do with some work but in possession hes streets ahead of most in the club. He's a great outlet when we're under the cosh and his trickery often means teams double up on him, creating space elsewhere. There's no way he'll still be with us after January I'll stick my neck out and say he wont have a better offer. Stoke need to strengthen or they go down. They've got Ince and McLean currently on the wing, if they want to send either of those to us and replace with Verlinden I'll take that. Powell cant even get in the team, they can send him this way if they want to strengthen their squad. Quote
Site Supporter MickyD Posted December 21, 2019 Site Supporter Posted December 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: We cant be immune from criticism because of our situation. 11 back at throw ins never mind corners. Failure to mark at corners, players like Lowe who has been great this season playing like he's never passed a ball in his life, on what basis would you not boo if any game was ever worth booing? Alnwick would be on bench if he was OK, so he's not OK, so not a lot to discuss. To be fair, if you defend with all 11 in the box for corners and the opposition has a player who can hit beyond the penalty spot with a throw it'd be daft not to treat it the same as defending a corner. Quote
marple whites Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 2 poor teams let’s be honest. made the second worst team in the league look like world beaters for half an hour. shite defending for their goals great finish for our third massive hole in midfield where bridcutt should have been 3 points massive, stats shocking Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 OK, treat them the same, but I'm just permanently irritated by inviting the oppostion to queue up within 20 yards of our goal by giving them nothing to think about re counter attacks. That time Dodoo got the ball 10 yards outside our box in the 1st half and just booted it into touch said it all. in the 2nd half Darcy was standing 3 yards outside our box when we "defended" corners, and the only benefit was that Southend could have their 2 deepest players 6 yards outside our box, instead of on the halfway line. Baffling. But admittedly Hill isnt the only 1 to do it, Coyle loved that tactic, it was pointless then and it still is. Quote
Site Supporter MickyD Posted December 21, 2019 Site Supporter Posted December 21, 2019 I didn't say I agreed with having 11 back, I said if you did it for corners you'd be daft not to do it for a long throw. I personally prefer at least one player on the half way line because that takes two players to defend. Quote
Ani Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Funny how we see things. A number of times he was one on one with an attacking player and won the ball. Also intercepted a number of passes using his experience. Certainly not a centre half though and obviously struggled to win aerial duels. Immense when he blocked that pile driver with his bonce though. How he got up so quickly, god knows. See I do not disagree with what you saw. But he also gave a number of free kicks away trying to win balls he physically could not win. He also tries to play it out from the back when there is no one in midfield who wants the ball because our best midfielder is not there. I rate him as a player but against teams are going long ball and physical he is going to give away free-kicks. I would much rather have him in midfield doing he is best at. Quote
Take Hunt Off Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 Bridcut at cb is way to clever for me . Not convinced about Earl although gave us much needed height especially second half.Lowe was gash today thought Murphy L did better.Verlinden flatters to decieve but got to be in given sparsity of creativity. Dodoo better than I expected .Everybody spot on with Southends no. 7 Would imagine he's sometimes gash but touch was impressive today. Beevers & Wheater would make so much difference to this team & most wanted shut. Quote
Site Supporter MickyD Posted December 21, 2019 Site Supporter Posted December 21, 2019 Talking of good touches, was it their No7 who was running down towards the South Stand goal and leapt to catch the ball on his toe and continue running with the ball at his feet? It isn't often almost all in WSL applaud the away players. Quote
Leyther_Matt Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 1 hour ago, boltondiver said: Wonder why Verlinden was taken off? Can only imagine it was to save him for the week ahead, given how often he struggles to complete 90 minutes as it is. He’s an exciting player, no doubt about it, and is a great outlet to shift the ball towards when we’re going forward, but he struggles with his final ball, especially from the byeline. Shame really because when he does get a good ball in, they’re invariably difficult ones for the defence to deal with, but he’s playing for us because they’re all too infrequent. Not sure if it’s been suggested by anyone else, but I fancy the reason that we’re playing three at the back is because Verlinden and Dodoo don’t provide enough cover for the full backs in a back four, so Bridcutt is essentially filling a shirt there until we have more resources at centre half. I suppose in theory Lowe has played there previously, but I think we’d struggle without his legs in midfield. Quote
Burndens Bogs Posted December 21, 2019 Author Posted December 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: Not sure if it’s been suggested by anyone else, but I fancy the reason that we’re playing three at the back is because Verlinden and Dodoo don’t provide enough cover for the full backs in a back four, so Bridcutt is essentially filling a shirt there until we have more resources at centre half. I suppose in theory Lowe has played there previously, but I think we’d struggle without his legs in midfield. We didn't play 3 at the back. Emmanuel, Wright,Bridcutt, Earl. Quote
Guest Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: Can only imagine it was to save him for the week ahead, given how often he struggles to complete 90 minutes as it is. He’s an exciting player, no doubt about it, and is a great outlet to shift the ball towards when we’re going forward, but he struggles with his final ball, especially from the byeline. Shame really because when he does get a good ball in, they’re invariably difficult ones for the defence to deal with, but he’s playing for us because they’re all too infrequent. Not sure if it’s been suggested by anyone else, but I fancy the reason that we’re playing three at the back is because Verlinden and Dodoo don’t provide enough cover for the full backs in a back four, so Bridcutt is essentially filling a shirt there until we have more resources at centre half. I suppose in theory Lowe has played there previously, but I think we’d struggle without his legs in midfield. Bugger, I saw it as 4 at the back!! Quote
Leyther_Matt Posted December 21, 2019 Posted December 21, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said: We didn't play 3 at the back. Emmanuel, Wright,Bridcutt, Earl. 11 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Bugger, I saw it as 4 at the back!! You’re both right, fuck knows where that came from. Although I’m talking shite (not for the first time), I may well have inadvertently come up with a master plan there. If that’s how we line up at Sunderland then you know where it came from!* *Unless we get twatted, in which case it was fuck all to do with me Edited December 21, 2019 by Leyther_Matt Quote
Moderators Casino Posted December 21, 2019 Moderators Posted December 21, 2019 Today wasn't 3 at the back Bridcutt was a bona fide centre back I'm hoping Zouma was unavailable I'm thinking Edwards will be eased back in Looked very good early season And earls booking reminded me of Alonso efforts at being a defender Bad, really bad Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted December 21, 2019 Members Posted December 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said: You’re both right, fuck knows where that came from. Although I’m talking shite (not for the first time), I may well have inadvertently come up with a master plan there. If that’s how we line up at Sunderland then you know where it came from!* *Unless we get twatted, in which case it was fuck all to do with me To be fair, I can see how it might work away from home, particularly with Emmanuel getting forward so often. Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted December 22, 2019 Members Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Casino said: Today wasn't 3 at the back Bridcutt was a bona fide centre back I'm hoping Zouma was unavailable I'm thinking Edwards will be eased back in Looked very good early season And earls booking reminded me of Alonso efforts at being a defender Bad, really bad I think it's more likely that he just doesn't fancy Zouma. He's brought him off at half-time in his last two starts, and today we had both Edwards and Senior on the bench. If he's not injured, then that's a damning indictment. Quote
tomski Posted December 22, 2019 Posted December 22, 2019 We have to be in with a chance of staying up come Jan. no more no less Quote
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