Guest Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, birch-chorley said: More importantly, where are they up to with the vaccine? Only need to get 5m done and 50% of the risk goes So 50k cases a day has the same impact on the NHS as 25k cases a day had a few weeks back Along with all the so far unused nightingales, extra ventilators etc - We shouldn’t be facing an NHS collapse in January / February Some medical expert told sky news it could be a year before a full rollout is done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, wiggy said: First time over 40,000 in one day. And that’s before all of the Christmas rule bending. Based on some of the stories on here about Xmas rules then I think 50k a day will be smashed comfortably if the rest of society “interpreted” the rules in the same 2+3+4+7+3+8= 3 households manner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 28, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Spider said: 6 people rang into the missus’s works this morning with symptoms. 2 confirmed cases as well. If it’s the new variant, it spreads like herpes at a gangbang But does it kill folk Talk in some places that its a fast spreader but not as nasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 28, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Some medical expert told sky news it could be a year before a full rollout is done And it could be 20 years Hes no idea Big fat fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 28, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: More importantly, where are they up to with the vaccine? Only need to get 5m done and 50% of the risk goes So 50k cases a day has the same impact on the NHS as 25k cases a day had a few weeks back Along with all the so far unused nightingales, extra ventilators etc - We shouldn’t be facing an NHS collapse in January / February Ive said many times, while we rely on pfizer, its going to be a trickle We cant even get to a lot of the high riskers in care homes Get AZ on line and its a game changer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Casino said: And it could be 20 years Hes no idea Big fat fact Alright calm down just passing on what was on the news earlier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted December 28, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Casino said: But does it kill folk Talk in some places that its a fast spreader but not as nasty No evidence either way. The reading up I’ve done (and it’s limited so pinch of salt) suggests that most mutations are less harmful to the host but just want to be able to spread more effectively. As has been mentioned on here a few times, a virus isn’t doing itself much good by killing its host. I guess they can’t risk it. Its rattling through the Man City squad currently, I reckon it’s rife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Some medical expert told sky news it could be a year before a full rollout is done A full roll out is irrelevant Van Tam said the most vulnerable 15m account for 99% of the risk to the NHS. The most vulnerable 5m (over 80’s), account for half of the risk! Get them done and the risk of the NHS collapsing also halves The 15m VT will be on about will likely be the same 15m that get the Winter Flu vaccine each year over a 12 week period. Granted this needs two jabs but if we can’t increase the rate of distribution by x2 or even x3 fold given the importance of it, then it’s a complete shit show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 28, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Alright calm down just passing on what was on the news earlier And im just telling you they dont know Have they factored in us getting AZ approved tomorrow, or do they think itll never get approved, both possible Either way, theyre guessing So honestly, ignore predictions Me and you know just as much as the 'experts' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) Oxford expected this week. The target has to be to the 15m vulnerable lot done by end of Feb. (Based on 2 injections). Then life restarts fully. If these 15m account for 99% of deaths then we are down to less than 10 a day. Plus the weather gets better. Edited December 28, 2020 by Ani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, Ani said: Oxford expected this week. The target has to be to the 15m vulnerable lot down by end of Feb. (Based on 2 injections). Then live restarts fully. If these 15m account for 99% of deaths then we are down to less than 10 a day. Plus the weather gets better. That's even more unreliable than the government Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 So far we have managed c. 700k jabs in about 2 weeks (350k per week). Assuming people need 2 jabs then we would need to do 30 million jabs by the end of February. That’s not far off 4 million a week. That’s some ramping up needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, jmjhb said: That's even more unreliable than the government I meant global warming not sunshine. 🤣👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, wiggy said: So far we have managed c. 700k jabs in about 2 weeks (350k per week). Assuming people need 2 jabs then we would need to do 30 million jabs by the end of February. That’s not far off 4 million a week. That’s some ramping up needed The comparison is that we have served 700k proper meals. We are going to switch to Happy Meals. 1m per day is the target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 28, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, wiggy said: So far we have managed c. 700k jabs in about 2 weeks (350k per week). Assuming people need 2 jabs then we would need to do 30 million jabs by the end of February. That’s not far off 4 million a week. That’s some ramping up needed The ramping up is achievable Just not with Pfizer, for a few reasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Casino said: Ive said many times, while we rely on pfizer, its going to be a trickle We cant even get to a lot of the high riskers in care homes Get AZ on line and its a game changer Pointless ordering 15m of them for £300m if we can’t get 5m out in 6-8 weeks, with supposedly infinite resources to go at Think we posted a link on here from the BBC that said they are shipped in dry ice that keeps them at the right temperature for at least 10 days (longer if you top up the dry ice). You then get another 3 days in a normal freezer. So 2 weeks minimum without requiring anything beyond a standard freezer We are on about making even more people unemployed in January because of all this bollocks. Every 80+ year old should be taken to the vaccines if thats what’s needed, in a bloody stretched limo if it comes to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 If I understand correctly the distribution and storage of the Oxford vaccine is easier than the Pfizer one but the actual giving is no different. Needs some new thinking if we want to give 1 million a day. Bear in mind it took us 3 days to test 170 lorry drivers at Dover when the whole world was watching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, wiggy said: So far we have managed c. 700k jabs in about 2 weeks (350k per week). Assuming people need 2 jabs then we would need to do 30 million jabs by the end of February. That’s not far off 4 million a week. That’s some ramping up needed We vaccinate 15m people in a 12 week period every Winter against Flu Granted that’s only 1 jab, but still over 1m injections per week in a normal year with no pandemic / health disaster in mid flow If we can’t ramp that up to 2m or even 3m injections a week with unlimited resources to go out then the NHS should be shut down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 28, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: Pointless ordering 15m of them for £300m if we can’t get 5m out in 6-8 weeks, with supposedly infinite resources to go at Think we posted a link on here from the BBC that said they are shipped in dry ice that keeps them at the right temperature for at least 10 days (longer if you top up the dry ice). You then get another 3 days in a normal freezer. So 2 weeks minimum without requiring anything beyond a standard freezer We are on about making even more people unemployed in January because of all this bollocks. Every 80+ year old should be taken to the vaccines if thats what’s needed, in a bloody stretched limo if it comes to it Not happening You will just have to believe me This shower of shit are a shower of shit but over buying was a very sensible strategy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 28, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, birch-chorley said: We vaccinate 15m people in a 12 week period every Winter against Flu Granted that’s only 1 jab, but still over 1m injections per week in a normal year with no pandemic / health disaster in mid flow If we can’t ramp that up to 2m or even 3m injections a week with unlimited resources to go out then the NHS should be shut down If we get AZ, the vaccine will be ready to use With pfizer, theres all sorts of issues For example, its not delivered ready to use, it has to be drawn up, measured if you like, for each dose 'on site' The system is doing an ok job of getting a 'second best option' into a small number of the most vulnerable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 28, 2020 Moderators Share Posted December 28, 2020 AZ version will be like the flu vaccine Get it, stick it in arms At the moment, bolton gps pool resources and buddy up Get AZ and we might be using the reebok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Etihad centre is being used for a mass vaccination site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, Casino said: If we get AZ, the vaccine will be ready to use With pfizer, theres all sorts of issues For example, its not delivered ready to use, it has to be drawn up, measured if you like, for each dose 'on site' The system is doing an ok job of getting a 'second best option' into a small number of the most vulnerable Appreciate that you have inside info But I still can’t help being thoroughly pissed off with it all, a few weeks a go we were swinging our dicks in peoples faces that we were first to approve the vaccine. The plan then was 1m a week with 5m injections this year, so far we aren’t even at 1m So something has gone drastically wrong since then for them to be so far off what they said, it’s a fucking shit show yet again! We are talking about fucking up millions of lives with further lock downs, making even more people unemployed, it’s bollocks. I’d rather the NHS collapse in all honesty, fuck it, times up for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 They had a few vaccines spare in LH, a friend who cares for their mum in her 80s got offered it because they had a few left over I've also heard the uptake rate amongst the BAME population is disappointing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 44 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said: Some medical expert told sky news it could be a year before a full rollout is done 2m/week for the 20m vulnerable, so 10 weeks Fingers crossed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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