Site Supporter Winchester White Posted January 27, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, fatty said: I think it was a big mistake leaving the south east to live the life of Riley for so long and I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what’s behind the current wave rather than a new strain being the main cause, but we’ll never know. I agree with most of your post but not this bit about the new strain. Scientists don't make shit up to suit politicians. We do know there is a new strain and to be honest, it isn't unexpected, it is what virus' do. I agree it is always a balancing act but for me, seeing the numbers in Italy and Spain at the start we knew it was coming and probably already here in bigger numbers than feared yet airports remained open. Once we did lock down, you have to praise them for the extensive furlough and business help, despite some being shafted it was always going to be unfortunately. They have helped a lot more than most countries. This 2nd wave is just a nightmare though, the numbers dying day on day is just awful. We can't blame everything on the Government, we need to look at ourselves too of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted January 27, 2021 Moderators Share Posted January 27, 2021 Asda is a shit hole, not been back since I made the mistake once early doors. Never forgive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Ian Brown has gone full blown, balls out mentalist. Squire and Reni were the talented ones anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted January 27, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 27, 2021 Just now, mickbrown said: Ian Brown has gone full blown, balls out mentalist. Squire and Reni were the talented ones anyway. What's monkey head said now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Winchester White said: What's monkey head said now? His Twitter is full of Bill Gates bollocks and the like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatty Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, Winchester White said: I agree with most of your post but not this bit about the new strain. Scientists don't make shit up to suit politicians. We do know there is a new strain and to be honest, it isn't unexpected, it is what virus' do. I agree it is always a balancing act but for me, seeing the numbers in Italy and Spain at the start we knew it was coming and probably already here in bigger numbers than feared yet airports remained open. Fair point about the airports. Im not doubting that the new strains exist. I’m suspicious that it isn’t the cause of the recent wave and it’s more of a distraction from the real cause of not closing down the south east. Pure speculation on my part though and we’ll never know. I think keeping south east open was a big error of judgment and as an aside has also undone much of the progress made trying close the north-south divide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 27, 2021 Moderators Share Posted January 27, 2021 37 minutes ago, bolton_blondie said: Bill Gates still involved? I can't keep up with the drivel they spread Anyone who thinks bill gates is part of some sinister conspiracy to take over the world should watch this video He's no Hitler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolton_blondie Posted January 27, 2021 Members Share Posted January 27, 2021 12 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Anyone who thinks bill gates is part of some sinister conspiracy to take over the world should watch this video He's no Hitler Like John Travolta of the nerds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Rudy said: I’m actual enjoying reading them. Fuckin cranks 😂 And then you have cranks like this mon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Escobarp said: Yes we always have been. Scroll back about 800 pages and find out where I’ve said it about 10 times as folk trot out meaningless graphs comparing us and other nations. Apple and a egg in most cases is the comparison. Excess deaths for various countries about half way down this page. https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 There's no way of slicing it that doesn't have us as one of the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tombwfc said: Excess deaths for various countries about half way down this page. https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 There's no way of slicing it that doesn't have us as one of the worst. Ive never said we aren’t one of the worst. Ever. My issue always has been and my point again is that we are comparing data that isn’t the same data set. It’s as simple as that. every death we’ve had is truly unfortunate and undoubtedly some could be avoided and rightly there will be questions to answer for this in due course. But for me comparing deaths in a league table is one strange fucking thing to do be it by the government or anyone off here. And it’s even worse when it’s done to prove a political point as some on here regularly do. It’s actually sick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Ive never said we aren’t one of the worst. Ever. My issue always has been and my point again is that we are comparing data that isn’t the same data set. It’s as simple as that. every death we’ve had is truly unfortunate and undoubtedly some could be avoided and rightly there will be questions to answer for this in due course. But for me comparing deaths in a league table is one strange fucking thing to do be it by the government or anyone off here. And it’s even worse when it’s done to prove a political point as some on here regularly do. It’s actually sick I think calling it sick is a bit of pearl clutching to be honest. In a global pandemic where multiple countries have been affected by the same threat, it's perfectly reasonable (if not absolutely essential) to look at who's approach has fared better. That means deaths and the economy (where we've done shite) as well as testing and vaccines (where we've done well). As mentioned, nobody seemed to have an issue with this - including the government - until it made us look bad. Anyway, the idea that our numbers are higher than elsewhere because of the way we're counting them is incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatanGreavsie Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: He looks like a scientologist and a shit Douglas Hurd. and the quote from him on wiki: In a television interview in December 2020 he called for healthcare and scientific experts to be "put in their place" and said: "We're [the government] paying too much attention to health professionals and scientists on health and science issues." Where the fuck do we get these people from? Oh and he's apparently on the Parliament Ecclesiastical Committee - so presumably his wisdom comes from a higher power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: When Dolphins were Monkeys... F.E.A.R. Fantastic Expectations Amazing Revelations (he knew 🤓) Legend is Brown, he can say anything he likes ✊ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 27, 2021 Moderators Share Posted January 27, 2021 Simple Remove the whip Anything less would be a cop out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, Tombwfc said: I think calling it sick is a bit of pearl clutching to be honest. In a global pandemic where multiple countries have been affected by the same threat, it's perfectly reasonable (if not absolutely essential) to look at who's approach has fared better. That means deaths and the economy (where we've done shite) as well as testing and vaccines (where we've done well). As mentioned, nobody seemed to have an issue with this - including the government - until it made us look bad. Anyway, the idea that our numbers are higher than elsewhere because of the way we're counting them is incorrect. Can you show me where italy and France I think it was , care home deaths are being counted in the figures as they certainly weren’t. It was at one point purely hospitals I believe. and I’ve always had an issue with comparing death totals it’s grim as fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: Michael, now you know that's bollox, F.E.A.R is a classic and lyrically brilliant, anyone who says otherwise is trying to be different. Browns solo stuff was, to be a bit 90's .... top, mint 👌 Pity his singing voice is flat as a fart eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombwfc Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Can you show me where italy and France I think it was , care home deaths are being counted in the figures as they certainly weren’t. It was at one point purely hospitals I believe. and I’ve always had an issue with comparing death totals it’s grim as fuck. Care home deaths, and all deaths, are counted in the excess death totals, which are on the charts in that FT link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Tombwfc said: Excess deaths for various countries about half way down this page. https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 There's no way of slicing it that doesn't have us as one of the worst. Good data there If we can get ahead with the vaccinations, we can get farther up the league Edited January 28, 2021 by boltondiver w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 28, 2021 Moderators Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 hours ago, mickbrown said: I'd heard/seen it a few times but remember the stoned moment watching mtv of whatever when I realised all the lines were made up for F.E.A.R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 28, 2021 Author Members Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 hours ago, royal white said: And then you have cranks like this mon He looks like a moon man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 There are good reports about Plitidepsin, a cancer drugs which appears to reduce the viral load in the lungs by 99%. If it proves correct, it could be the biggest gamechanger yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 14 hours ago, Escobarp said: Also we have to remember China was the source of this and seemingly within about 4’week they had it under control. Or so they said 🧐 Talking to textile agent yesterday he said over 80 city’s/ regions back under lockdown in China, don’t think it’s ever been in control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 28, 2021 Author Members Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Talking to textile agent yesterday he said over 80 city’s/ regions back under lockdown in China, don’t think it’s ever been in control. When you say Chinese textile agent is that code for sweatshop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted January 28, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rudy said: When you say Chinese textile agent is that code for sweatshop? It’s No Balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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