Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

They were probably created at the same time they created Covid.

Theyll hold it back till their work is done.

They've not created it very well then, as one of thems only around 60% efficient apparently

 

3 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Second doses are also recorded

You didnt get my point

We were achieving good numbers and continyed to add vaccine centres

But the numbers have dropoed

My guess is that we cant sustain the rates possible as if we do, there wont be enough for the boosters that we will need in a few weeks

 

This isnt itk as supply is currently as strong as its ever been in one bit of bolton

I know I'm a simpleton but I'm curious about why we can't massively increase production. With the entire world needing vaccines there's going to be decent demand for a while yet

2 minutes ago, wiggy said:

I know I'm a simpleton but I'm curious about why we can't massively increase production. With the entire world needing vaccines there's going to be decent demand for a while yet

Lack of raw material maybe, or purely lack of machines/equipment to produce the product. Probably a combination of both of both I'd have thought

The Novavax vaccine proves 89% effective. We've apparently ordered 60m doses.

I have to be honest, I hadn't even heard of the Novavax one. The even better news is that it's also proven to kick the fuck out of the UK variant.

47 minutes ago, Casino said:

You didnt get my point

We were achieving good numbers and continyed to add vaccine centres

But the numbers have dropoed

My guess is that we cant sustain the rates possible as if we do, there wont be enough for the boosters that we will need in a few weeks

 

This isnt itk as supply is currently as strong as its ever been in one bit of bolton

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-every-uk-adult-could-be-vaccinated-by-mid-july-if-these-figures-are-anything-to-go-by-12188909
 

If you look at this story based on Sturgeons leaking vaccine numbers, it does seem we are following these numbers. So it seems planned. 

Another vaccine supplier coming on board is great news.

By fuck we need it.

The whole AZ vs EU thing seems like a lot hot air, bet you a penny to a pound it all fizzles away as tabloid sensationalism.

42 minutes ago, wiggy said:

I know I'm a simpleton but I'm curious about why we can't massively increase production. With the entire world needing vaccines there's going to be decent demand for a while yet

Remember Van Tan said that vaccines are not yoghurt. Making sure we get the production right is more important than getting volume out with a risk it won't be right. Both Pfizer and AZ are making process changes to increase volumes. Once they are implemented I think we see another step change.

We are doing really well so far  

35 minutes ago, Ani said:

Remember Van Tan said that vaccines are not yoghurt. Making sure we get the production right is more important than getting volume out with a risk it won't be right. Both Pfizer and AZ are making process changes to increase volumes. Once they are implemented I think we see another step change.

We are doing really well so far  

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A few of the COVID deniers with large followings have been getting triggered by this.

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Sweep said:

Lack of raw material maybe, or purely lack of machines/equipment to produce the product. Probably a combination of both of both I'd have thought

A lot of thing can change when you try and upscale something, what was a very, very small thing in a small plant can become a major issue if the process is scaled up. Lets use temperature as an example, in a small plant say its as 0.1 degree maybe now issue, but say you make a plant 10 time the size that temp could be 1 degree or even more and therefore could effect the process, I don't know I'm just having a guess 

Ive worked on test rigs for stuff before and they work well, but when scaled up to a large production the wheels have fallen off

9 hours ago, wiggy said:

I know I'm a simpleton but I'm curious about why we can't massively increase production. With the entire world needing vaccines there's going to be decent demand for a while yet

The monkeys at labs worldwide are now shooting salt.

They're all wanked out.

They currently have, to an ape, the listless jaded sexual appetite of a 60yr old colonel.

I read this on Ian 'Chopper' Brown's twatter feed...

Fuck me, he's not the best advert for a forty year weedsmoking habit is he?

5 hours ago, royal white said:

A few of the COVID deniers with large followings have been getting triggered by this.

 

 

 

 

Numbers are being manipulated obviously. 
 

The wife has a WhatsApp group with some of the girls she grew up work and one of them is off the scale with conspiracies 

Ill update you with the latest one later 

14 hours ago, royal white said:

Any death is tragic but I have zero sympathy for people like this 

aye, I mean some conspiracies do have some degree of merit, but how do you get to his age and sit there with what's been going on claiming "it's not real"?!

he found out the hard way that he's a fucking idiot

tough shit

22 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Care to elaborate, or just opinion. 

Countries don't even define a case of covid in the same way.

Many countries aren't capable of undertaking an accurate excess deaths assessment- I posted a link a few days ago explaining it.

 

Simple, because our number of deaths over and above the average are also amongst the highest in the world. And that has nothing to do with how a COVID case is defined.

https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

Which of those countries, particularly the European ones, do you not think are capable of calculating excess deaths?

3 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Simple, because our number of deaths over and above the average are also amongst the highest in the world. And that has nothing to do with how a COVID case is defined.

https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

Which of those countries, particularly the European ones, do you not think are capable of calculating excess deaths?

Spain have been dodgy with numbers

Russia, of course

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

Spain have been dodgy with numbers

Russia, of course

I’ll Chuck in Greece& Italy and although not in Europe Turkey will be massively under reported. 

2 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Simple, because our number of deaths over and above the average are also amongst the highest in the world. And that has nothing to do with how a COVID case is defined.

https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938

Which of those countries, particularly the European ones, do you not think are capable of calculating excess deaths?

Re read and do some more research. 

No point classifying anything as being best or worst in the world, if much of the world can't provide numbers.

Moreover, now new variants are playing havoc, comparisons become much weaker still.

Then there's the fact you only look at a headline figure. Meaningless if your trying to study the virus and its interaction with societies, useful if folk just want to have a pop.

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Re read and do some more research. 

No point classifying anything as being best or worst in the world, if much of the world can't provide numbers.

Moreover, now new variants are playing havoc, comparisons become much weaker still.

Then there's the fact you only look at a headline figure. Meaningless if your trying to study the virus and its interaction with societies, useful if folk just want to have a pop.

 

 

 

100% agree, many of the countries at the lower end of the infection/death rates are basically 3rd world countries with poor health collecting data. 

Can we all a least agree the virus has fucked us good and proper?

Or is that anti Boris?

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

100% agree, many of the countries at the lower end of the infection/death rates are basically 3rd world countries with poor health collecting data. 

Or their life expectancy is 60 anyway so there aren't many oldies

20 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

100% agree, many of the countries at the lower end of the infection/death rates are basically 3rd world countries with poor health collecting data. 

Excess deaths is a measure of the impact within a country. Beyond that the impact of the virus the world over.

However, without subsequent investigation and rigorous scientific study, they will mean nothing other than what we already know that the virus is a twat.

What is clear now, is that vaccinating the world, as quickly as possible is vital to reduce opportunity for more variants, and to get back to what we previously had. Or perhaps more pertinently, what we need to have in the future.

 

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

 

What is clear now, is that vaccinating the world, as quickly as possible is vital to reduce opportunity for more variants, and to get back to what we previously had. Or perhaps more pertinently, what we need to have in the future.

 

The bottom line is the key one. Things have changed forever now, previously when in the Far East, I've always been mildly amused at seeing people wandering around with face masks on, and even wearing them in the office, not just when outside. Masks are here to stay now, and we'll see then being worn as they are in the Far East as a matter of course. I suspect that social distancing will remain a thing as well, not 2m or anything like that, but capacity of venues, pubs restaurants will be reduced. I think people will clean their hands a bit more as well, and not be such dirty bastards. The upside is that we'll hopefully see a lot less of things like seasonal flu as well