Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

3rd death, guy in his 60s at Crumpsall

Price of oil down

FTSE 100 just £130bn wiped. 
Are we heading for a recession?

2 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Price of oil down

FTSE 100 just £130bn wiped. 
Are we heading for a recession?

Time to buy 

2 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Price of oil down

FTSE 100 just £130bn wiped. 
Are we heading for a recession?

Black Monday #2

Central banks will have to do something extraordinary to avoid recession, but economic activity can’t come out of nothing.

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Black Monday #2

Central banks will have to do something extraordinary to avoid recession, but economic activity can’t come out of nothing.

I did wonder why the US were a little sceptical in identifying the virus being a legitimate threat. Makes a bit more sense now.

I don’t know a lot about the markets and money but when I’m getting a heads up from my employers that we may be working in empty stadiums effective from tomorrow, seems like panic is setting in.

You all seem to be doubting Trump.

He's the best and most beautiful businessman the world has ever known. He won't be stopped by a cold.

This Is His Time To Shine.

1 minute ago, Spider said:

You all seem to be doubting Trump.

He's the best and most beautiful businessman the world has ever known. He won't be stopped by a cold.

This Is His Time To Shine.

Plus he's bought "elements of medical" so everyone is well sorted. 

Am I OK buying spring onions? They are down to 29p in Tesco: am I being too sceptical? 

8 minutes ago, Dr Faustus said:

Am I OK buying spring onions? They are down to 29p in Tesco: am I being too sceptical? 

Hardly eye-wateringly expensive; stock up

£130b

What time does Wall St open?

14 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Infection rate - who knows? But both SK and Italy have over 7 thousand cases. 366 deaths in Italy. 50 odd in SK. Might just be older population in Italy. But that’s a 5% death rate vs 0.7%. That’s very different on face of it. 

SK started testing earlier and have tested vastly more on a daily rate than Italy. At the moment SK are doing 17K tests per day - Italy have done less than 30K in total, so this suggests that one reason for the higher death rate in Italy could be because they haven't identified as high a % of the infected as S Korea.  

 

 

1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

SK started testing earlier and have tested vastly more on a daily rate than Italy. At the moment SK are doing 17K tests per day - Italy have done less than 30K in total, so this suggests that one reason for the higher death rate in Italy could be because they haven't identified as high a % of the infected as S Korea.  

 

 

Heard that on the radio today. But some regions in Italy doing more tests than others. Sounds a mess. And the most likely reason for death rate differential is not identifying cases I guess. However very weird for Italy to have such a large and sustained break out - say 100,000 but guess there are reasons potentially for that.

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

Hardly eye-wateringly expensive; stock up

Keith will be quids in.

2 hours ago, Rudy’s Message said:

Price of oil down

FTSE 100 just £130bn wiped. 
Are we heading for a recession?

Kinell, just filled up on Saturday too

1 minute ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Heard that on the radio today. But some regions in Italy doing more tests than others. Sounds a mess. And the most likely reason for death rate differential is not identifying cases I guess. However very weird for Italy to have such a large and sustained break out - say 100,000 but guess there are reasons potentially for that.

I think the testing numbers, and early testing could be a massive factor. Consider the info below.

Italy is at 366 deaths to date.

Based on W.H.O. of 55K test cases, average Incubation is 2 - 14 days before symptoms show, and severe cases then take 3 - 6 weeks from first symptoms to death/recovery 

Using the lowest of these figures gives 23 days from infection to death (the evidence suggests most cases will take longer than this)

How many cases were identified in Italy 23 days ago .......3, how many 2 weeks ago..... 150,  yet 366 are now dead?

If Italy had tested more, and  started earlier they would have found more infected, and it's likely they would have started quarantines/lock-down earlier, thus potentially slowing the spread.

The first Case in Lombardy met a friend who had returned from China on 21st January - it took until 14th Feb for him to feel ill, and because of the low suspicion of Cornoavirus in Europe, he was initially treated as seasonal flu case. This enabled the virus to spread to health workers, friends, family etc.

European governments are going to have to decide at what stage they start the shutdowns and quarantine. Do it too early and the quarantines will be longer and have a greater impact on the economy and daily life. Do it too late and the number of infected will have a greater impact on economy and daily life. 

I'd be inclined to do it earlier.

 

4 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

I think the testing numbers, and early testing could be a massive factor. Consider the info below.

Italy is at 366 deaths to date.

Based on W.H.O. of 55K test cases, average Incubation is 2 - 14 days before symptoms show, and severe cases then take 3 - 6 weeks from first symptoms to death/recovery 

Using the lowest of these figures gives 23 days from infection to death (the evidence suggests most cases will take longer than this)

How many cases were identified in Italy 23 days ago .......3, how many 2 weeks ago..... 150,  yet 366 are now dead?

If Italy had tested more, and  started earlier they would have found more infected, and it's likely they would have started quarantines/lock-down earlier, thus potentially slowing the spread.

The first Case in Lombardy met a friend who had returned from China on 21st January - it took until 14th Feb for him to feel ill, and because of the low suspicion of Cornoavirus in Europe, he was initially treated as seasonal flu case. This enabled the virus to spread to health workers, friends, family etc.

European governments are going to have to decide at what stage they start the shutdowns and quarantine. Do it too early and the quarantines will be longer and have a greater impact on the economy and daily life. Do it too late and the number of infected will have a greater impact on economy and daily life. 

I'd be inclined to do it earlier.

 

See I don't think you're stopping this now. At best you'll delay and IF the virus is naturally no less virulent in summer you gain little - the health services of course need protecting but 18 months of quarantine and shutdowns? I can't see it - so at some point we'll have a peak and at some point it will need dealing with - a strategy for sensible self isolation and clear guides for when people should come for healthcare is the way IMO. 

Freaks

 

Just now, bwfcfan5 said:

See I don't think you're stopping this now. At best you'll delay and IF the virus is naturally no less virulent in summer you gain little - the health services of course need protecting but 18 months of quarantine and shutdowns? I can't see it - so at some point we'll have a peak and at some point it will need dealing with - a strategy for sensible self isolation and clear guides for when people should come for healthcare is the way IMO. 

Depends on what we do, evidence shows that early localised quarantines, loads of testing, rigorous tracing of those who've come into contact with infected, governments using technology, giving the population as much info a possible (they are using apps in SK to; monitor infected,  ensure they aren't breaking quarantine, provide real time geographic mapping of infection cases so that people can avoid going to those places) has worked in delaying the spread, and in China, SK, HK and Taiwan, reduce the infected and death rates.

1 minute ago, peelyfeet said:

Depends on what we do, evidence shows that early localised quarantines, loads of testing, rigorous tracing of those who've come into contact with infected, governments using technology, giving the population as much info a possible (they are using apps in SK to; monitor infected,  ensure they aren't breaking quarantine, provide real time geographic mapping of infection cases so that people can avoid going to those places) has worked in delaying the spread, and in China, SK, HK and Taiwan, reduce the infected and death rates.

235 cases and 8 deaths in Madrid this morning, 468 in total - looks like Madrid will be the next quarantined area - Atletico playing  at Anfield on Wednesday - Elbow bumps ahoy.

7 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Depends on what we do, evidence shows that early localised quarantines, loads of testing, rigorous tracing of those who've come into contact with infected, governments using technology, giving the population as much info a possible (they are using apps in SK to; monitor infected,  ensure they aren't breaking quarantine, provide real time geographic mapping of infection cases so that people can avoid going to those places) has worked in delaying the spread, and in China, SK, HK and Taiwan, reduce the infected and death rates.

I agree - the issue being how long do you do that for? Till a vaccine? And its a question as to whether the measures are working or whether simply better healthcare systems (and in China's case an authoritarian state) are working and doing their thing. 

Anyway have the lefties on here decided if  it was boris or trump who is to blame for this? Has to be one surely 

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Anyway have the lefties on here decided if  it was boris or trump who is to blame for this? Has to be one surely 

I'm surprised more vegans haven't been blaming carnivores for it. If we reduced contact with animals we'd have much less chance of catching viruses off them in the future. Black death, Spanish Flu, Ebola, swine flu,  All from chuffing animals. Blame the monkeys, bats and rats. Tofu butties are the way forward.

1 hour ago, Gonk said:

Kinell, just filled up on Saturday too

You should worry chucked a lump of money in the pension pot on the 26th February. 

54 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

I'm surprised more vegans haven't been blaming carnivores for it. If we reduced contact with animals we'd have much less chance of catching viruses off them in the future. Black death, Spanish Flu, Ebola, swine flu,  All from chuffing animals. Blame the monkeys, bats and rats. Tofu butties are the way forward.

How much manure is sprayed onto fields for arable production, or pesticides for that matter?

Vegans not exactly paragons of the eco world.

Is it fair to say we’re in the same place now, Italy was in a fortnight ago?