Coronavirus

[ProfessorWoland]

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Testing just appears riddled with problems. We have capacity to undertake the tests but I’m not sure we have the process for actually delivering them anywhere near. Why I’ve no idea as I don’t understand what’s involved. 
 

on another more worrying note. WHO have just announced there is no evidence that having the infection leads to immunity and thus stops reinfection. If this is true this really is a game changer for the worse 

It's one of the great unknowns at present. Can you catch it again, can you spread it once cleared?  Is there any lasting immunity and if so how long could it be relied upon? 

Even the test they're using to see if you have it now appears flawed.

[Rudy]

1 minute ago, ProfessorWoland said:

It's one of the great unknowns at present. Can you catch it again, can you spread it once cleared?  Is there any lasting immunity and if so how long could it be relied upon? 

Even the test they're using to see if you have it now appears flawed.

If the Chinese opened up a bit more about their findings and numbers we might have better answers and solutions but they seem to be under operation secret squirrel

[Sweep]

2 minutes ago, ProfessorWoland said:

It's one of the great unknowns at present. Can you catch it again, can you spread it once cleared?  Is there any lasting immunity and if so how long could it be relied upon? 

 

That's the big worry, the fact that nobody is still any the wiser with regards to re-infection and immunity. If you can keep catching it, then it's definitely a problem for a very long time to come, and only a vaccine will help us return to some sort of normality.

[ProfessorWoland]

5 minutes ago, Rudy’s Message said:

If the Chinese opened up a bit more about their findings and numbers we might have better answers and solutions but they seem to be under operation secret squirrel

They threw the instructions away when they opened it. Rookie mistake that one.

[mickbrown]

If having it doesn’t give you immunity, does that mean you can’t develop a vaccine?

[ProfessorWoland]

16 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

If having it doesn’t give you immunity, does that mean you can’t develop a vaccine?

No. There was an interview with Sarah Gilbert, Oxford Professor heading the vaccine program that's worth a watch:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p089xqrl

The immunity you get from a vaccine can be stronger than that from having had the virus.

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Mr Grey said:

I see that one of the biggest pricks in politics, John Ashworth has been on TV doing his usual poitical point scoring, that fucker will never learn and the good news for the Conservatives is that he his still on the opposition benches.

I say it again, give it up, work together, be supportive, and that goes for politicians, the media, journalists and every fucker up and down the UK, you don't conquer shit like this by being divided.

Majority of us know this pal but sadly it will fall on deaf ears with a number and it is there the issue lies 

let’s scrap it out when it’s done but for now let’s get through it 

[gonzo]

58 minutes ago, Sweep said:

That's the big worry, the fact that nobody is still any the wiser with regards to re-infection and immunity. If you can keep catching it, then it's definitely a problem for a very long time to come, and only a vaccine will help us return to some sort of normality.

Will it not just end up being a generic illness that people get like normal flu or whatever?

folk just get it and ride it out. 

All this panic and lockdown was due to how fast it was spreading and piling pressure on health-services. Once it’s eased in to society we can all just crack on no? 

 

[peelyfeet]

20 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Will it not just end up being a generic illness that people get like normal flu or whatever?

folk just get it and ride it out. 

All this panic and lockdown was due to how fast it was spreading and piling pressure on health-services. Once it’s eased in to society we can all just crack on no? 

 

in years to come yes - but not now, we'll be lucky if 10% of the UK has had it by the end of this lockdown

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Honestly, I’d rather the government had built a hospital that treated 41 people, than have those 41 people dying in a corridor.

Im just relieved it’s not been needed. I’m sure some people will ty and rip into the government over it, but those people should be ignored.

Plus, if there is a really bad second wave later in the year it may still be needed.

Personally, I’m delighted it’s only needed to treat 41 people. If it was full, we’d be in lockdown until August.

Its a massive positive for me.

It is an overflow facility. You will treat people there when other places are full. You do not have nurses sat there waiting. 
 

So say there is 5000 capacity in ICU across London and 4000 are being used people will be sent there first. If the bed grows the nightingale gets opened and extra resource say from military is switched on. Until that time people are ‘sent away’ (maybe referred elsewhere is more accurate). 
 

Bit like us playing Bradford in the Onions Mans first game. Everyone was sent to West Stand and North. East stand closed with no staff but as demand increased it was opened up. 
 

Government are 7/10 for me. Nightingales and financial package are areas they have been excellent. PPE and Care homes less so. Timing of lockdown impossible to assess at this point. Naturally I may be totally wrong on all these as have no expertise to base this on. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, mickbrown said:

If having it doesn’t give you immunity, does that mean you can’t develop a vaccine?

No.

Vaccine gives much longer lasting protection.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

If this lockdown is going to last very much longer as it is, I think we're going to need the weather to take a turn.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

If this lockdown is going to last very much longer as it is, I think we're going to need the weather to take a turn.

You're in luck. Certainly from Tuesday onwards.

[Burndens Bogs]

Seems like its hardly rained since the first whiff of this Virus.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Seems like its hardly rained since the first whiff of this Virus.

Yeah, just seen the forecast though, we're getting drenched on Tuesday.

Might stand outside and shower with Dettol.

[Sweep]

another 781 UK deaths announced, grimness

[Sweep]

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Might stand outside and shower with Dettol.

Don't do that, it's dangerous. You can just use a light, a bright powerful light, maybe inside the skin, you know, it's interesting, maybe you could do that

[Spider]

Part of me wonders if they’ll keep the numbers around the 700-800 mark for a week or 2 - they can always filter in “catch up” numbers from care homes.

Just as a way of keeping everyone from totally binning off the social distancing.

Edited April 25, 2020 by Spider

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Yeah, just seen the forecast though, we're getting drenched on Tuesday.

Might stand outside and shower with Dettol.

I think it needs to be injected for full effect

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Part of me wonders if they’ll keep the numbers around the 700-800 mark for a week or 2 - they can always filter in “catch up” numbers from care homes.

Just as a way of keeping everyone from totally binning off the social distancing.

Would not surprise me. 

[Mounts Kipper]

16 minutes ago, Sweep said:

another 781 UK deaths announced, grimness

Some of these from 23rd and 24th, sadly it’s hospital deaths only. 

[Tombwfc]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Part of me wonders if they’ll keep the numbers around the 700-800 mark for a week or 2 - they can always filter in “catch up” numbers from care homes.

Just as a way of keeping everyone from totally binning off the social distancing.

 

It's been true all the way really - if none of the figures bear any relevance to the date they're being reported, then it's arbitrary at best and open to paint whatever picture you want to at worst. That's why it's never been a particularly reliable measure. At least one of the deaths reported today took place on the 11th March.

The fairly sharp fall in hospitalisations in London for example, are probably a better guide to the effectiveness of the lockdown.

 

[peelyfeet]

1 hour ago, Tombwfc said:

 

It's been true all the way really - if none of the figures bear any relevance to the date they're being reported, then it's arbitrary at best and open to paint whatever picture you want to at worst. That's why it's never been a particularly reliable measure. At least one of the deaths reported today took place on the 11th March.

The fairly sharp fall in hospitalisations in London for example, are probably a better guide to the effectiveness of the lockdown.

 

 

If you look at the NHS breakdown of the numbers you can see how far behind they really are

out of the 701 they counted today, over 300 are from 4 or more days ago.  

The government think it's better to get an early,  slightly inaccurate idea of where we are,  instead of waiting for several days to produce a more accurate historic figure, as it enables them to see the results of any restrictions, and make decisions earlier, but if you want to know how many have died on X day, it's not accurate.

 

Ultimately we want to know when is the  safest time to relax and reintroduce restrictions

 

local figures are

Bolton 148

Chorley/South Ribble 103

Wigan 131

Bury/old/Roch 318

 

looks like we peaked a few days go, a week or so behind London.

     

Edited April 25, 2020 by peelyfeet

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Some of these from 23rd and 24th, sadly it’s hospital deaths only. 

I think each day they wrote the numbers, there is a large percentage of them not just from the last 24 hours.

Wales had a big jump the other day, and some of those numbers were from two weeks ago

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, peelyfeet said:

 

If you look at the NHS breakdown of the numbers you can see how far behind they really are

out of the 701 they counted today, over 300 are from 4 or more days ago.  

The government think it's better to get an early,  slightly inaccurate idea of where we are,  instead of waiting for several days to produce a more accurate historic figure, as it enables them to see the results of any restrictions, and make decisions earlier, but if you want to know how many have died on X day, it's not accurate.

 

Ultimately we want to know when is the  safest time to relax and reintroduce restrictions

 

local figures are

Bolton 148

Chorley/South Ribble 103

Wigan 131

Bury/old/Roch 318

 

looks like we peaked a few days go, a week or so behind London.

     

Rochdale, Bury, Oldham, pretty grim. 

Edited April 25, 2020 by Mounts Kipper