Slow news day? The real deal? End of the world? 
 

They’re saying it probably came from an animal, has Somebody been shagging monkeys again? 

Shes got the lot.

32 minutes ago, Campos_Wig said:

I’m in the same camp as these guys, it’s just the flu, people die of it every year, and pressure is being put on Drs to blame Covid19 for a death to try and legitimise the strategy 

 

You actually think this thing is a massive conspiracy?

16 minutes ago, Morizio said:

You actually think this thing is a massive conspiracy?

Judging by what I'm reading on Facebook - plenty of people do!

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Judging by what I'm reading on Facebook - plenty of people do!

🤦‍♂️

Conspiracy theories were more fun when they just in the dingy corner of the internet.

My favourite phrase I've seen so far is its a Plandemic

9 hours ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

Yeah, i've been sceptical that the scientists are used because they are great scientists rather than they will say what Tory HQ wants them to say.

It seems there is some division in the Tory camp now  with Hancock and Raab wanting to extend the lockdown putting health first whereas the smooth talking Chancellor is keen to get people back to work at the expense of more lives.I'm with Hancock and Raab.Boris is a loose cannon I wouldn't be that surprised if he fucks politics off and resigns "due to health reasons" in the next few weeks.He didn't sign up for a solemn role overseeing a national disaster, he wanted to act the baffoon in the Commons, open factories and have the weekends off to have fun with his blondes in the country.HIs comments when he was a journalist show he hates Scousers as much as the most rabid manc so he's not all bad just not a serious PM

Aye. Murderous bastard.

Can't take utd fans remotely seriously.

1 hour ago, Campos_Wig said:

I’m in the same camp as these guys, it’s just the flu, people die of it every year

 

Good lord....

59 minutes ago, deane koontz said:

Conspiracy theories were more fun when they just in the dingy corner of the internet.

Aye, with some redneck in a bunker with a generator, stack of porn and a 1000 tins of beans.

10 hours ago, jeep said:

There's little chance of social distancing in Wirstroms in Gamla Stam. Like being in a sardine tin.... 

They're having a go 

Aye, that's the one! Not the biggest bar in the world. Had a few good nights in there over the years.... 

Replying to

@ProfKarolSikora

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Campos_Wig said:

I’m in the same camp as these guys, it’s just the flu, people die of it every year, and pressure is being put on Drs to blame Covid19 for a death to try and legitimise the strategy 

 

If it's just the flu it would be over by now. Flu stops killing people in spring. 2 weeks ago we had the most deaths ever recorded for a week in April. 8k more than normal, it will be higher for last week when the report comes out on Tuesday.

The mistake those docs have made is measuring a small sample of population in a lockdown situation, extrapolated out and compared against flu in a non lockdown situation. I'm sure you'd get similar results if you extrapolated Bolton stats out for the UK.

A better (and earlier) lead indicator of cases is the daily change in Covid-19 hospital inpatients shown above; and an even earlier lead indicator is the number of potential patients calling 111 or 999 (or using 111 online) reporting Covid-19 symptoms, which has been in sharp decline for weeks now including among the most vulnerable age-group:

Not seen the data since Friday but encouraging signs from the hospital from last week too.

The danger is now that people get complacent. The virus is still out there and if we mismanage the next couple of weeks it's got the potential to come roaring back. 

Still struggling to see how we can avoid peaks and troughs until we reach herd immunity or a vaccine though!

The decisions on coronavirus strategy are ultimately about the economy vs number of deaths - purely actuarial. Ultimately they have to decide how many people they are willing to be allowed to die and how that number balances against the detrimental effects of having the economy locked down.

In many respects it's a tough decision for any Government to have to make (obviously apart from Cummings who would kill everyone to keep the economy and his grip on power going) and I think folk will accept that it's a tough decision - providing that they are honest with us.

Personally I don't believe they are being honest. I think the key criteria they are applying to coronavirus strategy is not so much deaths, but "being seen to have been shown in a positive media light". That includes presenting only information that supports their chosen actions and actively playing down or undermining information that doesn't.

With Cummings on the scene I just find it impossible to believe that every word spoken by any Government representative hasn't been carefully scripted to suit the narrative.

17 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

The decisions on coronavirus strategy are ultimately about the economy vs number of deaths - purely actuarial. Ultimately they have to decide how many people they are willing to be allowed to die and how that number balances against the detrimental effects of having the economy locked down.

In many respects it's a tough decision for any Government to have to make (obviously apart from Cummings who would kill everyone to keep the economy and his grip on power going) and I think folk will accept that it's a tough decision - providing that they are honest with us.

Personally I don't believe they are being honest. I think the key criteria they are applying to coronavirus strategy is not so much deaths, but "being seen to have been shown in a positive media light". That includes presenting only information that supports their chosen actions and actively playing down or undermining information that doesn't.

With Cummings on the scene I just find it impossible to believe that every word spoken by any Government representative hasn't been carefully scripted to suit the narrative.

So based on your last paragraph fair to say you will not have a totally balanced view. Cummings has been quite ill with the virus apparently which I think is a good thing he has not been involved as I do think he is a real cunt. 
 

if ever the phrase ‘lies.damned lies and statistics’ was relevant now is the time. I have seen various reports all stats based today that show the picture is a lot worse than the govt say and just as many saying it is nowhere near as bad. 
 

Example is the FT report Tom quoted. (Or was it ST ?). They are using total average deaths. If you use the YTD figure the picture is actually not to bad. That is influenced by the fact in first 3 months of year deaths were low. So the report is ignoring those 3 months because it makes the picture worse. Other people on Twitter use the full year to show things are not bad but they ignore fact reports are a couple of weeks behind so before the virus spiked. 
 

Ultimately as discussed before it will only in a few months time will we really know what worked and what did not. If not longer. 

interesting data-driven visualisations
 

https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg

3 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

interesting data-driven visualisations
 

https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg

Pubs open 1st June?

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

Pubs open 1st June?

Ace! 🙏 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/virologist-christian-drosten-germany-coronavirus-expert-interview

Interesting read from a German expert, including a positive view of our direction of travel on testing. 

I shouldn't have posted this, I'll explain next week. Nothing major.

Edited April 26, 20206 yr by peelyfeet

It's a positive view of our direction of travel on testing in the UK?!

Have you read it or did you not get past the fact that it was The Guardian?

🤔

Edited April 26, 20206 yr by RoadRunnerFan

50 minutes ago, Ani said:

So based on your last paragraph fair to say you will not have a totally balanced view. Cummings has been quite ill with the virus apparently which I think is a good thing he has not been involved as I do think he is a real cunt. 
 

TBF, Hoppy has stated that China have not lied, or withheld infomation, as proven by a 2011 document.So only the UK then.

I fail to believe that any government, irregardless of its political leanings, would do anything not in its own countries best interests. Wether that is one led by Johnson or Corbyn or Starmer, or even Sturgeon or Foster. Their political ideologies may differ, so therefore their actions may differ, but it would always be in the  best interests of the countries benefit, under circumstances such as these.

The opposition have free reigh to be political about this, the government do not.