Coronavirus

[ZiggyStardust]

50 minutes ago, Ani said:

So based on your last paragraph fair to say you will not have a totally balanced view. Cummings has been quite ill with the virus apparently which I think is a good thing he has not been involved as I do think he is a real cunt. 
 

TBF, Hoppy has stated that China have not lied, or withheld infomation, as proven by a 2011 document.So only the UK then.

I fail to believe that any government, irregardless of its political leanings, would do anything not in its own countries best interests. Wether that is one led by Johnson or Corbyn or Starmer, or even Sturgeon or Foster. Their political ideologies may differ, so therefore their actions may differ, but it would always be in the  best interests of the countries benefit, under circumstances such as these.

The opposition have free reigh to be political about this, the government do not.

[peelyfeet]

2 minutes ago, ZiggyStardust said:

TBF, Hoppy has stated that China have not lied, or withheld infomation, as proven by a 2011 document.So only the UK then.

I fail to believe that any government, irregardless of its political leanings, would do anything not in its own countries best interests. Wether that is one led by Johnson or Corbyn or Starmer, or even Sturgeon or Foster. Their political ideologies may differ, so therefore their actions may differ, but it would always be in the  best interests of the countries benefit, under circumstances such as these.

The opposition have free reigh to be political about this, the government do not.

Why's Cummings involved then? Not saying Labour wouldn't have had their own spin doctor involved. 2 wrongs don't make a right though. We need transparency in times like this. Even if Cummings has had no sway, his name being mentioned muddies the waters.

[Tombwfc]

38 minutes ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/26/virologist-christian-drosten-germany-coronavirus-expert-interview

Interesting read from a German expert, including a positive view of our direction of travel on testing. 

 

I find the 'prevention paradox' he talks about, quite interesting.

I've always said we were slow to lockdown, but had we been five weeks in around Easter with only a few hundred deaths, would people have just fucked it off back then?

We'll probably see it on the back end of this anyway, as more people convince themselves it's over/was never a big deal in the first place in order to go back to being selfish cunts.

[Spider]

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[Guest]

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[Escobarp]

First boozers to open will be spoons. ITK. 

[RoadRunnerFan]

10 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

I did used to browse over the Guardian, just to view the news from another perspective (before theys started charging an online subscription), as to say the express or mail. And they did and probably still put accross some good points of view, but most of the stuff they write is complete lefty drivel, as is by the way the Express and mail is complete right wing drivel.

Fair enough, each to their own and that  - Guardian dont charge a subscription though. Begging messages on articles but no paywall.

Like to look at different perspectives myself but Times and the Telegraph are behind paywalls, as is the FT which to be fair usually plays with a straight bat. Wouldn't call any of them drivel though. 

I'd rather mainline dettol than bother with the Mail or Express though. 

Edited April 26, 2020 by RoadRunnerFan

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

Fair enough, each to their own and that  - Guardian dont charge a subscription though. Begging messages on articles but no paywall.

Like to look at different perspectives myself but Times and the Telegraph are behind paywalls, as is the FT which to be fair usually plays with a straight bat. Wouldn't call any of them drivel though. 

I'd rather mainline dettol than bother with the Mail or Express though. 

I often read the Guardian online, always good to take in other perspectives.

Then smile when they ask for money at the bottom!

[jeep]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I often read the Guardian online, always good to take in other perspectives.

Then smile when they ask for money at the bottom!

I've read 1385 articles in the last 6 months.....

Guardian is good for sport, recipes & film reviews....

[RoadRunnerFan]

12 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I often read the Guardian online, always good to take in other perspectives.

Then smile when they ask for money at the bottom!

Whatever you think of The Guardian's politics it's just a fact that the other 'quality'/broadsheet sites are behind paywalls.

I don't smile when I see the begging messages, more of an embarrassed shrug, though my contribution to their revenues is exactly the same as yours!

Edited April 26, 2020 by RoadRunnerFan

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

Whatever you think of The Guardian's politics it's just a fact that the other 'quality'/broadsheet sites are behind paywalls.

I don't smile when I see the begging messages, more of an embarrassed shrug, though my contribution to their revenues is exactly the same as yours!

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[SatanGreavsie]

Just queued for a bit (just a few minutes to be fair) at Morrisons near me and a sight to behold trundled past - some fat scutter in her mobility scooter with a mask on but with a ciggy sticking out the side of it and smoke coming out of the gap 🤣

[royal white]

368 today 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

368 today 

How sad to think that is decent news

[Spider]

12 minutes ago, royal white said:

368 today 

Almost half of last Sunday.

Landlord, get that cask tapped.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

22 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said:

Just queued for a bit (just a few minutes to be fair) at Morrisons near me and a sight to behold trundled past - some fat scutter in her mobility scooter with a mask on but with a ciggy sticking out the side of it and smoke coming out of the gap 🤣

I saw similar yesterday. Some bloke walking down the road, with his mask low enough to get a fag over the top.

Bonkers

 

[Ani]

29 minutes ago, SatanGreavsie said:

Just queued for a bit (just a few minutes to be fair) at Morrisons near me and a sight to behold trundled past - some fat scutter in her mobility scooter with a mask on but with a ciggy sticking out the side of it and smoke coming out of the gap 🤣

The biggest argument about masks not being compulsory are stories like this. You see people with them not covering nose or mouth. One woman managed to have neither covered ! Seen people take them off to chat, blow nose , spit , cough and smoke ! 

[Ani]

20 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

How sad to think that is decent news

Aye nearly 4 Hillsboroughs there. 3 Aberfans. 

[ProfessorWoland]

26 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I saw similar yesterday. Some bloke walking down the road, with his mask low enough to get a fag over the top.

Bonkers

 

He's probably from public health England 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/22/french-study-suggests-smokers-at-lower-risk-of-getting-coronavirus

[Wanderlust]

3 hours ago, Ani said:

So based on your last paragraph fair to say you will not have a totally balanced view.

...my last paragraph being "With Cummings on the scene I just find it impossible to believe that every word spoken by any Government representative hasn't been carefully scripted to suit the narrative"

I think my opinion is fairly balanced, albeit justifiably skeptical. Just because I trust Cummings about as far as I can throw Blackpool Tower doesn't mean my viewpoint isn't balanced. Seems more balanced than that of anyone accepting what the Government are saying at face value despite knowing Cummings' role, persona, methods and history.

As someone else mentioned, the question is what possible reason did he have for attending SAGE meetings?

As anyone who has followed Cummings career will know, he is the ultimate spin doctor - ultimate because he is actually prepared to lie to the public and has mainly managed to get away with it so far - perhaps something he learned during his years working in Russia - and being a history student has no medical training whatsoever.

What other reasonable conclusion can be drawn apart from that his attendance at the SAGE meetings was to spin the science and make sure everyone is "on message" when it comes to presenting a public face. That's what he does FFS.

And if he is doing that, what's the point of listening to the Government when we know it's all just scripted bollocks.?

 

[ProfessorWoland]

1 hour ago, Campos_Wig said:

I’m in the same camp as these guys, it’s just the flu, people die of it every year, and pressure is being put on Drs to blame Covid19 for a death to try and legitimise the strategy 

 

 

A comment underneath that video:

"Jason Kan14 hours ago

These guys have a huge conflict of interest. They own urgent cares and are losing money from lower volumes. I’m an emergency physician in Philly who’s seen a lot of Covid and these guys are completely off base. They don’t represent emergency physicians, they represent self serving urgent care owners. Don’t let them mislead you and divide us."

 

Also on the 'no worse than the flu'

 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/no-covid-19-is-not-just-a-bad-flu/

 

 

[snowball]

12 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

...my last paragraph being "With Cummings on the scene I just find it impossible to believe that every word spoken by any Government representative hasn't been carefully scripted to suit the narrative"

I think my opinion is fairly balanced, albeit justifiably skeptical. Just because I trust Cummings about as far as I can throw Blackpool Tower doesn't mean my viewpoint isn't balanced. Seems more balanced than that of anyone accepting what the Government are saying at face value despite knowing Cummings' role, persona, methods and history.

As someone else mentioned, the question is what possible reason did he have for attending SAGE meetings?

As anyone who has followed Cummings career will know, he is the ultimate spin doctor - ultimate because he is actually prepared to lie to the public and has mainly managed to get away with it so far - perhaps something he learned during his years working in Russia - and being a history student has no medical training whatsoever.

What other reasonable conclusion can be drawn apart from that his attendance at the SAGE meetings was to spin the science and make sure everyone is "on message" when it comes to presenting a public face. That's what he does FFS.

And if he is doing that, what's the point of listening to the Government when we know it's all just scripted bollocks.?

 

as someone who's read a number of your posts no way i would consider you balanced. Thought you were Labour spokesman tbh

[Ani]

13 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

...my last paragraph being "With Cummings on the scene I just find it impossible to believe that every word spoken by any Government representative hasn't been carefully scripted to suit the narrative"

I think my opinion is fairly balanced, albeit justifiably skeptical. Just because I trust Cummings about as far as I can throw Blackpool Tower doesn't mean my viewpoint isn't balanced. Seems more balanced than that of anyone accepting what the Government are saying at face value despite knowing Cummings' role, persona, methods and history.

As someone else mentioned, the question is what possible reason did he have for attending SAGE meetings?

As anyone who has followed Cummings career will know, he is the ultimate spin doctor - ultimate because he is actually prepared to lie to the public and has mainly managed to get away with it so far - perhaps something he learned during his years working in Russia - and being a history student has no medical training whatsoever.

What other reasonable conclusion can be drawn apart from that his attendance at the SAGE meetings was to spin the science and make sure everyone is "on message" when it comes to presenting a public face. That's what he does FFS.

And if he is doing that, what's the point of listening to the Government when we know it's all just scripted bollocks.?

 

Sorry I meant you could not have a balanced view........of anything you hear from the Government.
 

Clearly that does not stop you making balanced opinions on the subject generally. 

[jeep]

2 minutes ago, snowball said:

as someone who's read a number of your posts no way i would consider you balanced. Thought you were Labour spokesman tbh

More like a Labour Spin doctor.....

[Morizio]

6 hours ago, kent_white said:

Judging by what I'm reading on Facebook - plenty of people do!

I’ve not seen any although I have been bombarded with the fall of the cabal documentaries which in my opinion are complete shit.

Needless to say the individual who sent me them is no longer in my contacts.